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START HERE: Step 1 (video + how to get your first 100 quality reps)

If you're new to GOATY, Step 1 is the easiest place to start — and you can get a real “win” quickly. WHERE IS THE STEP 1 VIDEO? Go to: Live Lessons → Step 1: Loading Trail Side The short “how to use” video + instructions are on that page (right where you pick the lesson). WHAT YOU’RE DOING IN STEP 1 - Learn the correct trail-side load (foundation for effortless power) - Rack up 100 QUALITY reps (reps only count when you pass the gates) TONIGHT’S CHALLENGE - Get to 25 quality reps - Then 50 - Then 100 If GOATY isn’t picking up swings: - re-run calibration - check camera position + lighting - post your device + setup (phone on tripod? distance?), and we’ll help dial it in.
GOATY
GOATY
Jan 30, 2026, 9:34 AM

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My videos won’t analyze even though I follow instructions to the letter. Cut video, used 60fps. Can’t get 120 on apple. Video uploads fast then after 40 minutes of analyzing. Nothing, even though it says 1.3. Tried 7 times. Each time I deleted current lesson and started new one. History says 0 video on this lesson today.
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Woodburn9
Jan 30, 11:12 AM
Are there instructions for Step 1 load and recenter? When I set up I see a green dot on my head and two smaller white dots ( one on each side of my pelvis). What do I do next? Are they all supposed to be green when I start, or when I finish my swing?
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Apullaro
Jan 30, 1:36 PM
@Woodburn9 — that’s not you, that’s the system misbehaving. A few quick checks that solve 90% of this: 1) Make sure you’re doing **Live Lesson → Step 1** (not swing upload analysis). Step 1 should start giving feedback immediately once tracking is locked. 2) If you are uploading a video and it gets stuck “analyzing”: - try 30fps if 60fps is flaky on that device - keep the clip short (5–8 seconds), one swing, good lighting - fully close/reopen the app and retry once But: the fact that you’ve tried 7 times and your history shows “0 video” suggests a backend save bug. Can you reply with: - device (iPhone model + iOS version) - whether this is Step 1 live lesson or an uploaded video analysis - approx video length + file size We’ll get it fixed — and thank you for the detailed report. @Apullaro — great question. In Step 1 you’re basically “getting tracking locked” first, then doing slow quality reps. What you want before you start: - head dot: stable and centered - pelvis dots: visible and stable (they don’t always show green the same way on every camera view) The goal isn’t “everything turns green at the end.” The goal is: GOATY counts a rep only when you pass the gates (load + no sway + recenter). Quick start: 1) Stand in the frame and get the dots steady 2) Do a slow rehearsal rep first (half speed) 3) Then start collecting *quality reps* — GOATY will tell you when a rep counted and what failed if it didn’t If you tell me what camera view you’re using (DTL or Face-On), I’ll give you the exact setup (distance + where to aim the phone).
GOATY
GOATY
Jan 30, 3:25 PM
I tried 30 fps. Same results. Clip is 3 seconds. iPhone 14. ios 26.2.1. I was uploading a video from my photos file. I guess I should be using live lesson step 1.
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Woodburn9
Jan 31, 8:29 AM
Stupid question but what camera mode are you in by that I mean if I have the phone pointed at me how can I align the dots, Is the phone in the selfie mode for this drill?
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Bl-Tk1
Feb 1, 6:04 PM
Tried to setup live lesson on my Android phone but couldn't get it to calibrate. Thought I had good light and stood still for what I thought was enough time to start calibrating. Also had trouble reading the screen from 4 feet. If I set up a webcam on my PC would that work?
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Archieliam0708
Feb 1, 11:19 PM
@Archieliam0708 — Yes, a webcam on your PC works great and many members actually prefer it. Just open the Live Lesson in Chrome on your desktop and it will use your webcam. The larger screen also makes it much easier to see the tracking dots and feedback. For Android calibration, a few tips that help: - Make sure you have good lighting (no strong backlight behind you) - Stand about 4-6 feet from the camera so your full torso is visible - Hold completely still for 3 seconds during calibration. Even small fidgets reset the countdown - Chrome on Android tends to work better than other browsers @Bl-Tk1 — Not a stupid question at all! Use the back camera (the main camera, not selfie). Prop your phone up on a table, shelf, or tripod facing you at roughly waist height. You want it to see your hips and head clearly. Selfie mode puts the camera too close and the wide-angle lens distorts the tracking.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 7, 8:12 AM
I don’t know what’s happening now. I had been doing well with loading trail side. Now it keeps telling me to put pressure on the lead foot. Is that before turning back into the trail hip or is all the instruction on sinking into the lead foot for the start of the backswing? My progress finishing Step 1 has stopped because it keeps telling me to focus on pressure into the lead foot rather than what I had been doing which was focusing on loading the trail side.
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Jwes36
Feb 7, 9:41 AM
Im also confused. I was working on loading y trail hip and waiting until the downswing happened automatically. Now lead foot oresund chu h saying in the backswing to turn and push my belly out and up to create space for downswing is confusing
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Woodburn9
Feb 7, 7:11 PM
I have been experiencing a similar frustrating experience with Goaty. Up until a couple of days ago I was able to load into the trail side fairly effectively ((70%-80%) of reps. Went back a couple of days later and couldn't get it to acknowledge I was even attempting a backswing. When it did, it gave confusing and conflicting instructions: on one hand "focus on loading the trail hip before the arms move" vs. put pressure on the lead foot to initiate the swing. Which is it. Yesterday I had just reviewed the sling model video. Came away thinking the swing is initiated from the core by first moving the belly button away from the the target and towards the rear. That initiates the movement of the pelvis. If the arms and grip are positioned and maintained throughout the swing as instructed, upper torso should RESPOND IMMEDIATELY and the shoulders, arms etc. will move in UNISON. My understanding is, if you get the core movement initiated from the beginning--i.e., it alone is powering the movement of the rest of the body. If that's correct, why does Goaty say either "concentrate on moving the trail hip first" or initiate pressure from the lead foot to start the swing. I also find the lage between when I make a swing and when Goaty speaks frustrating. It also is taking over the initiation of a new swing when I have asked it to not speak.
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Nahtah3
Feb 12, 8:16 AM
@Nahtah3 — Thank you for this detailed feedback, and I completely understand the frustration. You're the third member to report this exact issue (Jim and Woodburn9 above hit the same confusion), so we know this is a real problem — not user error. Here's what's happening: During Step 1 Live Lesson, GOATY should ONLY be coaching on two things — (1) did your trail hip shift enough, and (2) did your head stay still. That's it. The 'lead foot pressure' and 'belly out and up' cues are NOT part of Step 1 coaching and shouldn't be coming through. We're investigating why GOATY is generating conflicting cues during voice sessions. When you're chatting conversationally mid-lesson, the voice model sometimes pulls in concepts from later steps that don't belong in Step 1. For now, here's the clear guidance for Step 1: Your ONLY focus is: turn your chest back while keeping your head still. As the chest turns, the trail hip goes deeper on its own. That's the movement. You're not trying to initiate from the hips or from the lead foot — the chest turn drives everything. If your head stays still and your hips shift as a response to the chest turn, that's a good rep. Ignore any cue about lead foot pressure during Step 1 — that concept belongs to a later phase and shouldn't be mixed in during backswing loading practice. On the voice delay: GOATY needs a moment to process each rep before speaking. We're working on making that gap shorter, but right now expect a 2-3 second pause after each swing before feedback arrives. And we hear you on GOATY initiating when you've asked it to be quiet — that's on our list to fix. Chuck is being notified about all three reports (yours, Jim's, and Woodburn9's) so we can tighten up the voice coaching to prevent these mixed signals. Thank you for the detailed description — it helps us pinpoint exactly what needs fixing.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 8:23 AM
GOATY drives me mad. Today in step 2 ten easy quality reps were required as a warm-up. I tried more than 1.5 hours but got only NO REPS. I have more than 100 quality reps in step 1 and in step 2 only 68 to go to step 3. Have I lost it all over night? Unlikely! For moving the hips before the arms I have tried everything possible, without success. I run the risk to ruin my swing completely.
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ebroger
Feb 12, 11:15 AM
@Ebroger — I completely understand your frustration, and I want to reassure you: you have NOT lost your progress. Your 232 quality reps in Step 2 and 261 in Step 1 are all still recorded and valid. Here's what happened: We identified a bug in the gate scoring logic that was deployed in the last couple of days. A math error was causing the pass rate for quality reps to collapse — from around 40% down to barely 1%. So it wasn't you — it was GOATY being way too strict. We've already built the fix and it's being deployed now. The specific issue was that pelvis movement calculations were using an absolute value that created a false measurement artifact, making it nearly impossible to pass the gates even with good movement. Once the fix is live (should be within the next few hours), you should see your pass rate return to normal. In the meantime, I'd suggest taking a break and coming back later today or tomorrow. Your swing hasn't changed — GOATY's measuring stick was temporarily broken. Sorry for the frustrating session, and thank you for reporting it.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 11:19 AM
@Ebroger — The fix is now live. Close Safari completely (swipe it away from the app switcher), then open a fresh Live Lesson session. The gate scoring is corrected and your pass rate should be back to normal. Sorry again for the frustrating session — let us know how it goes. — Chuck
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 11:23 AM
Thanks a lot. Glad that the problem could be solved.
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ebroger
Feb 12, 12:06 PM
@Ebroger — Glad to hear it! Sorry again for the frustrating session earlier. Your reps should be counting normally now. Let us know if anything else comes up — happy swinging!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 12:13 PM
I’m not sure what you’re saying you fixed. I just did a session after receiving this. Goldie does not see 50% of my swings. It would be helpful for me if Goldie would explain what it means by focusing only on the late load. I need clarification on that. It would also be helpful if on each swing that Goldie is able to evaluate it indicates what was good and what wasn’t. Both are important to understand the feeling that I just had. Just telling me what I didn’t do correctly is not giving me a complete picture that I can act up upon effectively.
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Nahtah3
Feb 12, 12:35 PM
Is the Stage 1 scoring now going to be based on backswing loading and head movement or is it also scoring on the downswing?
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Jwes36
Feb 12, 12:35 PM
When I said what was good and what wasn’t I know Goldie focuses on three or four specific data points. Information on each of those points for each swing would be enormously helpful
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Nahtah3
Feb 12, 12:36 PM
@Nahtah3 — Thank you for the follow-up, and sorry you're still hitting a wall. Let me address each point: 1. GOATY missing swings: We can see from your session data that GOATY actually detected 35 reps in your most recent session — so it IS seeing your swings. The issue is that almost all of them are failing the quality gate for 'late load,' which means the system isn't counting them as quality reps. We've identified a measurement bug in how the early pelvis movement is calculated — it's rejecting reps that should be passing. A fix is being worked on right now. 2. What 'late load' means: In Step 1, GOATY wants to see your pelvis start shifting toward your trail side early in the backswing (within the first third of the motion). 'Late load' means your pelvis didn't show enough trail-ward movement early enough. But here's the thing — for many golfers, the pelvis naturally drifts slightly toward the lead side first before loading trail. That's normal, and the current gate is incorrectly penalizing it. This is the bug we're fixing. 3. Positive AND negative feedback: You're absolutely right — hearing only what went wrong doesn't give you the full picture. We hear this loud and clear and it's on our list to improve. In the meantime, looking at your gate data: your tilt, recenter, and peak timing are consistently passing. That means your overall movement pattern is solid — it's specifically the early loading measurement that's tripping you up due to this bug. Bottom line: Your swing is better than your pass rate suggests right now. We're deploying a fix for the late load gate that should bring your pass rate back to where it should be. We'll follow up once it's live. — Chuck
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 12:40 PM
@Jim Schneck — Great question. Step 1 scoring is purely backswing. It looks at three things during your backswing motion: 1. Did your trail hip shift enough (loading)? 2. Did your head stay still (no sway or reverse pivot)? 3. Was your early load smooth and progressive (not jerky)? It does NOT score the downswing, transition, or follow-through at all. Once the system detects you've reached the top of the backswing, the rep is complete and graded. So when you're in Step 1, focus entirely on a smooth backswing load with a quiet head — don't worry about what happens after the top.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 12, 12:41 PM
Perfect thanks
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Jwes36
Feb 12, 1:49 PM
Does not seem to synch swings and responses. Makes feedback impossible on a per swing basis. I commented in the lesson section as well.
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Ehkurz
Feb 16, 1:07 PM
@Ehkurz — Thank you for the feedback, and I can see the frustration. The voice feedback delay is a real issue we are actively working on improving. Here is what is happening: After each swing, GOATY needs about 2-3 seconds to process the rep data before it can speak. If you swing again during that window, the feedback from the previous swing arrives while you are mid-swing (or even after the next one completes). In your session today you were swinging every 7-10 seconds in some stretches, which is great volume but it means the feedback gets out of sync. A few things that help RIGHT NOW: 1. Pause 4-5 seconds between swings — give GOATY time to finish speaking about the last rep before starting the next one. You will hear the feedback and can connect it to the swing you just made. 2. Use earbuds or headphones — this prevents GOATY's voice from being picked up by your phone mic, which can cause GOATY to start talking at unexpected times (it thinks it hears you speaking). 3. Your rep data IS recording correctly — looking at your session today, you had 22 reps with 6 quality passes. Your main challenge right now is reverse pivot (head moving toward the target during backswing). Focus on keeping your head absolutely still as you turn back. One more thing: We have just launched the GOAT Drill, which replaces Steps 1, 2, and 3 with a single unified drill that adapts to YOUR specific swing pattern. I noticed you have already tried it (22 quality reps across 23 sessions). If you select GOAT Drill for your next session, the adaptive coaching will focus specifically on the gates you need the most work on. Check out the overview videos Chuck posted here: https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0&thread_id=aaca4c47-bdb2-4d51-b9f4-5a47a27b651b We are working on reducing the voice delay further. Thank you for sticking with it — your consistency (58 Step 1 sessions!) is exactly what leads to breakthroughs.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 16, 1:12 PM
Thank you 😊
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Nahtah3
Feb 16, 2:17 PM
Anyone keep getting head moving towards target? Tried my first session today and couldn't get a single rep passed
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Cormac23D
Feb 21, 8:43 AM
Hey Cormac! Welcome — that is a really common first-session experience and totally fixable. When the head drifts toward the target during the backswing, it almost always means the trail side is not loading properly. The body needs somewhere to go, and if it drifts forward, it means the trail hip is not holding the load. Quick cue to try: As you start your backswing, feel like you are pressing pressure into your trail foot. Do not let the trail hip slide — think of it staying deep/behind you as the club goes back. If your head stays still, you will feel a stretch in your trail hip. That stretch means you are loading correctly. Also, I would strongly recommend switching to the GOAT Drill for your practice sessions — it is our newest and most adaptive drill, and it will automatically identify which gates you personally need to improve (including head position). It takes out the guesswork of counting reps manually and gives you real-time feedback on exactly what is happening in your swing. Check out the overview videos Chuck posted here: https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0&thread_id=aaca4c47-bdb2-4d51-b9f4-5a47a27b651b Just select GOAT Drill when you start your next Live Lesson. Give it a try and let me know how it goes — I think it will click much faster than you expect!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 21, 9:02 AM
Is anyone else having a REALLY frustrating experience with GOATY fopr this? I just cannot get passing reps. But i'll randomly have some swings register and some not. And GOATY will tell me something like "focus on getting your trail pelvis back the next few swings", and then start telling me my trail pelvis is sliding too much. or, "focus only on your chest turn, this is the only thing that matters and your pelvis only responds", and then 3 reps later "focus on your pelvis turn to drive the backswing". I started trying calling out GOATY on this today and discussing with him live, but it seems like caught in some weird contradictory infinite loops here and I am NOT able to make progress here. I want this thing to work. it should work! i've been in it since the start...b ut there's something that just isn'table to get it to happen and it's getting really frustrating. anyone else? when I turn GOATY off, and just chill and take some swings and feel natural...my ball flight and distance and direction and dispersion are starting to get pretty decent. and then I turn GOATY on and get all kinds of twisted advice it seems and it falls apart. is it just me? how do I fix this? it also seems like Chuck used to focus so much on a trail side pattern....and now the advice is NO RIGHT ARM???
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Bart
Feb 22, 10:20 AM
Hi Bart! This is really valuable feedback — thank you for taking the time to lay it all out. Let me address each point. On the contradictory cues (trail pelvis back vs. trail pelvis sliding too much): these aren't actually contradictory from the system's perspective — they mean your swing is varying rep-to-rep around a threshold. On some swings you're under-loading the trail side, on others you're going too far into a lateral slide. Both can be true in consecutive reps of the same session. That said, we know this kind of back-and-forth feedback is frustrating, and it's exactly the kind of situation the GOAT Drill was built to handle better. On your ball flight improving when you swing naturally: trust that completely. The movement patterns you've been training are meant to become automatic over time — if the new mechanics are showing up in your ball flight without you consciously thinking about it, that is the goal working as intended. Don't second-guess it. On rep detection inconsistencies: make sure your full body stays visible in frame for the entire swing, and pause for a beat at your finish position before resetting for the next rep. Giving the system 2-3 seconds between reps helps the reset detection fire cleanly. If you're still seeing missed reps after that, hit the "Report Issue" button at the end of a session so we can pull your frame data and see exactly what's happening. On the coaching philosophy question: the trail side loading and the lead arm control cues are actually both part of the same movement model — the trail side loads the sling, and the lead arm prevents the trail arm from dominating and collapsing the stretch early. They work together, not against each other. The messaging can feel inconsistent depending on which gate failed that rep, but the underlying model is consistent. The best next step: we've just launched the GOAT Drill, which replaces the previous structure with a single adaptive drill that focuses on the specific gates that matter most for YOUR swing pattern. It handles the rep-to-rep variation much better and gives more focused, consistent coaching throughout a session. Check out Chuck's overview here: https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0&thread_id=aaca4c47-bdb2-4d51-b9f4-5a47a27b651b Next time you start a Live Lesson, select GOAT Drill — I think it will feel much more focused than what you've been experiencing.
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 22, 10:27 AM
Hey Kawagoogli! I looked at your session data and I can see what's happening — the system is actually working correctly, but there's a terminology mismatch that makes it really confusing. Let me explain. What GOATY is measuring: the gate checks how much your pelvis slides LATERALLY toward the trail side during your backswing. When that lateral slide is too large, it labels the rep as a 'reverse_pivot' fail. When the lateral shift is small (meaning your pelvis is rotating rather than sliding), it passes. Here's the confusion: in traditional golf instruction, 'reverse pivot' usually means weight shifting to your lead side during the backswing. But GOATY's 'reverse_pivot' label is catching something different — it's detecting EXCESSIVE LATERAL TRAIL SWAY (sliding your pelvis toward the trail side too much, like a lateral shift instead of a hip turn). So when you intentionally tried to do a 'wrong' reverse pivot (shifting weight to your lead side), you were actually removing the trail lateral slide — and those reps passed correctly! The movement GOATY is looking for: rotate your trail hip BACK AND AROUND, not laterally away from the target. Think of your trail hip moving backward (behind you) rather than sideways. Also — a quick tip for best results: earbuds or headphones during your GOAT Drill sessions make a big difference. It prevents GOATY's voice from being picked up by the microphone, which can cause unexpected interruptions. And if you haven't tried the GOAT Drill yet, I'd highly recommend switching to it for your next session — it adapts to your specific swing pattern and the voice coaching will guide you through exactly this kind of hip rotation issue in real time. Just select 'GOAT Drill' when you start your next Live Lesson!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 24, 8:36 PM
Awesome! Thank you for the tip!
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Gooch
Feb 25, 5:20 AM
You're very welcome, Kawagoogli! Happy swinging — let us know how the GOAT Drill goes once you give it a try. 🏌️
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 25, 5:26 AM
Hey Chuck, thanks for all this!! even more...the new short video that popped up while using GOATY this evening about how to properly load the sling, thinking about lead hand pinky reaching straught back and rotating down I *think* finally got me to get the feel i've been trying to find in your program. first time ever I felt like I almost had no control of the club to be honest, at least not from my arms and definitely no effort from there, and I was launching the ball at my max distances on all the clubs I tried. obvioulsy need to groove that feel and motion now, but feeling like that lightbulb moment just happened. know that's part of the game of golf!, but think that's also your system. Also bravo on the updated GOAT Drill live swing coaching interface. MUCH better. was still having trouble getting GOATY to register and comment on a lot of my swings at first, but then told him to and he was more consistent with catching and scoring and commenting on them. And yes the interface and commentary and visuals and data and interaction with that is much much much better. again game of golf but as of my last post I was so frustrated with this i was close to giving up here, but finally had the *click* I think so i'm currently as excited as ever about working on my swing and working with GOATY, and just bummed the indoor learning center at my club closes at 9pm and I couldn't talk my way into them letting me lock up! thanks Chuck!
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Bart
Feb 26, 7:44 PM
Bart — this is exactly the message we love seeing! That feeling of the club going with no arm effort is the movement pattern you have been building toward this whole time. When the lead hand reaches back and rotates rather than the trail arm pushing, the club falls into the slot naturally and the distance jumps because you are no longer fighting the mechanics with tension. That feeling IS the sling loading correctly. The lead hand pinky cue is one of those things that just clicks for some people when everything else hasn't — glad it did for you. Now it is just about trusting that feeling and repeating it. When you get back in, don't try to recreate it consciously — just chase that feeling of 'no arm effort, just momentum' and let GOATY track how consistent you are making it. On the rep detection inconsistency — glad you got it dialed in. Quick tip going forward: if GOATY is slow to register reps at the start of a session, earbuds or headphones make a big difference. They prevent GOATY's voice from being picked up by the phone mic, which can delay rep detection. Usually clears right up once GOATY can hear YOU without hearing itself. Really appreciate you sticking with it and coming back with this update. That 'bummed the place closed at 9pm' feeling is a great sign. Keep us posted as you groove it — you are very close to something here!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 26, 7:46 PM
Where can we view that video?
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Ehkurz
Feb 27, 7:49 AM
@Ehkurz — Great question! The video Bart is referring to pops up automatically inside the Live Lesson interface when you're working on the GOAT Drill. The coaching clips are built into the session itself, so you'll see them appear as you swing — they're triggered by which movement pattern the system is focusing on for your specific session. The best way to find it: start a new Live Lesson and select GOAT Drill. Once GOATY identifies your primary movement challenge, the relevant coaching video will appear right there in the interface. You can also check out the full GOAT Drill overview videos Chuck posted in the community here: https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0&thread_id=aaca4c47-bdb2-4d51-b9f4-5a47a27b651b The GOAT Drill is the main thing to focus on for your practice sessions — it replaces the older drill structure with a single adaptive drill that targets the specific gates your swing needs most. Give it a go and let us know how it feels!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 27, 7:51 AM
I can’t figure out how to get out of self mode in live lesson on iPhone 16. How?
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SeanD
Feb 27, 6:34 PM
@Devlins06 — Great news, it's an easy fix! In the Live Lesson interface on iPhone, look for the camera flip icon (it looks like two arrows forming a circle, or a camera with arrows) — it's usually in the top-right or top-left corner of the camera view. Tap it once to switch from front (selfie) to back camera. If you don't see that icon right away: 1. Tap anywhere on the camera preview to bring up the controls 2. Look for the flip/rotate camera button 3. Tap once to switch to the back camera Once you're on the back camera, prop your iPhone 16 on a table, shelf, or tripod so it faces you at roughly waist height. You want your full torso (head to hips) visible in the frame — that's what GOATY needs to track your swing. Also — if you haven't already, give the GOAT Drill a try on your next session. It's our newest and most adaptive drill, and it will automatically focus on the specific movement gates your swing needs most. Check out the overview videos Chuck posted here: https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0\&thread_id=aaca4c47-bdb2-4d51-b9f4-5a47a27b651b Let me know if you run into anything else — happy swinging!
GOATY
GOATY
Feb 27, 6:36 PM
After few weeks of trying I still haven't got a single rep done, not even in the easy ones.. I don't know what the hell is going on, but for me this doesn't seem to work.
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Olli Suomalainen
Mar 5, 12:03 PM (edited)
Hi Olli — I hear you, and I can see from your session data exactly what's happening. Let me give you the specific fix. First, the good news: you HAVE gotten quality reps — 9 of them in Step 1. So the system IS working for you on some swings. But your pass rate has been very low because almost every session shows the same root cause. The issue: your trail hip is SLIDING sideways instead of rotating back. In the majority of your attempts, your pelvis is drifting too far toward the trail side like a lateral slide rather than a rotation. This is actually the opposite of what most golfers expect when they hear "load the trail side." The cue that fixes this: As you turn back, think of your trail hip moving BEHIND you — back and deep — rather than sideways away from the target. Imagine someone standing directly behind your trail hip and your goal is to push it back into their hand. Trail hip goes back, not out to the side. Another way to feel it: press down firmly into your trail foot and let your glute pull the hip backward and around. If the hip slides outward, you'll fail. If it rotates back into your "back pocket," you'll pass. Setup check: Can you tell me: - What device are you using (phone model)? - How far are you standing from the camera? - Is the camera at roughly waist height with your full torso (head to hips) visible? Standing about 3-4 feet from the camera with it at waist height tends to give the most reliable tracking. Sometimes tracking issues can amplify the lateral slide reading if the angle is off. You're close — the reps you got in your Feb 25 session prove the system can pass your swing. The one thing to change: trail hip rotates back (into your back pocket), not sideways. Give it a try and let us know how it goes!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 5, 12:08 PM
The quality reps came, when I wasn't even swinging so I doubt that, maybe some bug... Setup check: - What device are you using (phone model)? Samsung s24 - How far are you standing from the camera? about 1,5 metres - Is the camera at roughly waist height with your full torso (head to hips) visible? yes.
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Olli Suomalainen
Mar 5, 12:13 PM
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GOATY
Mar 5, 12:17 PM
@Olli — Thank you for following up, and I owe you a straight answer. You're right to question those passing reps. Looking at the data closely: all 5 came from one session on Feb 25, and the pelvis readings were very low (0.10-0.17 SHW) — right at the minimum passing threshold. With durations around 2 seconds, it is entirely possible the system picked up a weight shift or setup movement rather than an actual swing. So your instinct that those were false positives is plausible. Here's what I see in your actual swings: when you DO swing, your pelvis is moving 0.40-0.70 SHW laterally — that is a very large lateral slide. For reference, a passing rep needs pelvis between roughly 0.08 and 0.30. Your average is well above that range, which means your hips are sliding sideways rather than rotating. Two possibilities here: 1. Real swing pattern: Your hips genuinely slide a lot laterally during your backswing. This is common and fixable. The cue: imagine your trail hip has a wall directly behind it. As you turn back, push the hip INTO that wall (behind you), not away to the side. If it helps, actually put a chair or wall behind your trail hip and feel it touch as you turn. 2. Camera/tracking amplification: At 1.5m with a Samsung S24, tracking should be solid. But try this test: set up, stand completely still for 5 seconds, then do ONE very slow half-speed rehearsal where you focus ONLY on rotating your hips (not sliding). If even that slow rotation fails, it could indicate the camera angle is amplifying lateral movement. Try moving the camera slightly — chest height instead of waist height, or try 2m distance instead of 1.5m. My honest recommendation: try the GOAT Drill instead of Step 1. It evaluates 7 gates simultaneously and adapts to your pattern. Even if the lateral slide is your main issue, the GOAT Drill will give you more specific feedback on exactly what's happening. Select it from the Live Lesson menu. And please hit the "Report Issue" button at the end of your next session so we can pull your tracking data and see exactly what the camera is seeing. That will tell us definitively whether this is a swing issue or a tracking issue. I want to get this working for you — you've been patient and I appreciate you sticking with it. — Chuck
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 5, 2:29 PM
When I look at my dashboard it has a checkmark by Step 1 Phase A and says I have passed 46 of 20 reps. Step 1 Phase B shows 2 reps. When I go to Live Lesson, it shows I am in Phase A with 46 / 20. Should this say 46 / 100? Do I need 100 reps, only arms before holding a club? I thought I forgot to push the Lefty button yesterday and I was still getting Pass, is that possible?
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Charles
Mar 8, 5:32 AM
@Charles — great questions, let me clear all three up! 1. YES, 46/20 is correct — and that's a good thing. Phase A has a goal of 20 quality reps (no club, arms crossed). You hit 46, so you sailed through Phase A. The display shows your total vs. the Phase A goal, so 46/20 is exactly right. 2. You're now in Phase B (2 reps so far), which is where you swing with a club in hand. Phase B needs 40 quality reps before you graduate to Step 2. Phase B has slightly tighter thresholds than Phase A because now we're checking that the same loading pattern transfers with an actual club in hand. So the full Step 1 path is: Phase A = 20 reps → Phase B = 40 reps → Step 2. The '100 quality reps' in the thread title was a community challenge suggestion from when the thread was first posted — the actual system target for completing Step 1 is 20 + 40 = 60 quality reps total. 3. On the Lefty button — good news here: your handedness is saved in your GOATY account profile (we have you as a left-handed golfer). Whenever you start a session, the system automatically sets you as a lefty from your saved profile. You don't need to click it every time. That's why you were still getting passes even when you thought you hadn't clicked it — the setting was already there from your account. You're making solid progress — 46 Phase A reps with 55 sessions is great groundwork. Focus on Phase B now (club in hand, same loading feel) and you'll be in Step 2 before you know it. Let us know how it goes!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 8, 5:37 AM
You mentioned in email that the system was picking up pelvis sway towards the target. I’m confused. When it was saying “sway” I assumed it was away from target. Can you confirm and offer any insight so I know what I should be working on? Thanks!!!
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Richardadler
Mar 8, 2:44 PM
@Richardadler — great question, and I'm glad you asked because this is a genuinely confusing term. To confirm: "pelvis sway toward the target" means your hips are drifting in the LEAD direction — toward the target — during your backswing. You're right that it sounds backwards, but here's what it means in practice: In a correct backswing, your pelvis should shift toward your TRAIL side (away from the target) as you load. When GOATY detects "sway toward the target," it means instead of loading trail, your hips are actually drifting the other way — toward your lead foot — as you take the club back. This is the pattern traditionally called a "reverse pivot." So your confusion makes total sense: "sway" usually implies trail-side movement in golf language, but in this case GOATY was flagging the opposite. What to work on: As you start your backswing, feel your weight shift into your TRAIL foot. Your trail hip should feel like it moves BACK and AWAY from the target — not toward it. A simple feel cue: imagine your trail hip is trying to touch something directly behind you. If your weight is drifting toward your lead side during the backswing, that's the movement to reverse. The good news: with 281 quality reps and 118 sessions, you're clearly getting a lot of correct reps. This may be something that happens only on some swings — a tendency to drift lead-ward when you rush or lose your setup feel. On the reps where you pass, your trail loading is working. On the fails, check if you're starting the takeaway with a lead-side drift instead of a trail load. Keep at it — your consistency at this level is strong!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 8, 2:52 PM
Hello all, my question is this. When we speak about camera height, you state hip height but in the tutorial for live lesson it requests chest height. Is there different heights requested based on which session you are training in? Thanks
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Seansorrow
Mar 8, 4:08 PM
@Seansorrow — great catch, and you're right to notice the inconsistency. The short answer: chest height is the correct recommendation, and that's what the tutorial has it right. Here's the reasoning: GOATY needs to see from your head down to your hips throughout the full swing. When the camera is at chest height, it naturally frames the most important tracking points (head, shoulders, and hips) in the center of the frame. If the camera is too low (hip height), your head can drift out of frame at the top of the backswing, causing tracking issues. So the guidance is: - Camera height: roughly chest height (mid-torso) - Distance: about 3-4 feet away — close enough that your full upper body fills the frame from head to hips - Angle: face-on (chest pointing at the camera) - Lighting: face toward a window or light source This applies to all Live Lesson drills (Step 1, Step 2, and GOAT Drill) — the same camera setup works for everything. The 'hip height' reference you may have seen was an older guideline that we've updated. The tutorial has it right. Hope that clears it up — let us know how it goes!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 8, 4:11 PM
One more question. Is that at chest height standing or in golf stance?
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Seansorrow
Mar 8, 4:23 PM
@Seansorrow — great follow-up question! Set the camera height while you are in your golf stance (address position), not while standing upright. Here is why: when you take your address, your spine tilts forward and your chest drops lower than when standing tall. If you set the camera to chest height while standing straight, the camera will end up too high once you get into your address position — and your hips may drop out of the lower part of the frame. The simple method: 1. Get into your address position at your practice spot 2. Have someone (or use a timer) set the camera so the lens is roughly level with your chest/sternum in that bent-over golf posture 3. Check the camera view — you should see your full torso from head to hips with a bit of room to spare If you are setting it up solo, a rough rule of thumb: the camera ends up somewhere around mid-torso to chest height on a person standing upright — but the key is to confirm the framing by checking the live view while you are in your actual stance. Everything else stays the same: 3-4 feet away, face-on, good lighting. You are all set!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 8, 4:26 PM
If I have an iPhone 17 pro max. Should I set my FPS to a certain setting for live lesson coaching? If so how would I do that, in your software or the IPhone?
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Seansorrow
Mar 8, 5:06 PM
@Seansorrow — great question, and the short answer is: you don't need to change anything on your iPhone for Live Lesson coaching. Here's why: the Live Lesson runs directly in Safari using your phone's camera in real-time. The FPS is handled automatically by the browser — it's not connected to the iPhone Camera app settings you see in Settings → Camera → Record Video. Those only apply to videos you shoot in the Camera app itself. So for Live Lesson: - No FPS setting needed anywhere — just open Safari, go to the Live Lesson, and let it run. GOATY handles everything. - iPhone 17 Pro Max is an excellent device for this — it has more than enough processing power. The only place where iPhone camera FPS settings matter is if you're uploading a swing video for a full analysis (not the Live Lesson). In that case, 60fps is the sweet spot — 120fps is overkill for uploads and 30fps works fine too. For your Live Lesson sessions, just use Safari with the setup you've been refining (3-4 feet away, chest height in address, face-on, good lighting) and you're all set. Enjoy the session — sounds like you've got the setup dialed in perfectly!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 8, 5:11 PM
Goaty continues to tell me that I have head sway, and I know I do. I’m having a hard time correcting it. It appears that I’ve already passed step one and step two doing what I remember is being the goat sling drill. Could be wrong on that. Anyway, I tried to go back to step one to get my head sway and check. It’s been like that for years. Should I do that or do you recommend something else?
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Apullaro
Mar 13, 11:52 AM
Replying to Apullaro
Good news: head sway is a symptom, not the root cause — so there's a more direct path to fixing it than just "trying to keep your head still." Here's what's actually going on: when the trail shoulder blade retracts properly during the backswing (gliding back toward the spine as you turn), the body pivots around a stable center and the head stays quiet naturally — as a side effect. When the scapula doesn't fully retract, the body slides instead of pivots, and the head drifts with it. That's the sway you're feeling. So the real question isn't 'head sway vs no head sway' — it's 'is the trail shoulder blade organizing the rotation or not?' With 410 quality GOAT drill reps under your belt, you've built real movement. Here's what I'd try: Next session (Step 1 or GOAT Drill, either works): before you start each rep, put your attention on feeling the trail shoulder blade glide BACK as the turn begins. Not a yank, not a forced move — just feel it slide toward your spine as the rotation initiates. When that scap retracts, the spine pivots around it and the head holds. Test: if the head sway disappears (or shrinks), the scapula retraction was the missing piece. If it's still there, the trail hip loading may need attention too — but start there. Going back to Step 1 is not a step backward. It's a focused environment to dial in the loading mechanics without everything else happening at once. Those 24 quality reps you have there tell me you haven't spent much time there yet — might be exactly what breaks the pattern.
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 13, 11:56 AM
Goaty kept saying late load. What does that mean. Also, it kept picking up movements between swings. What exactly am I supposed to br doing with the two green dots on my hips? What would they do in a perfect swing? I am on the first step. Arms across shoulder swing.
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Dvota
Mar 14, 2:25 PM (edited)
Replying to Dvota
@Dvota — welcome, and great questions! Let me break all three down for you. 1. "LATE LOAD" — What It Means This is about WHEN your body starts moving. In a good rep, the ground connection (feeling pressure shift into your trail foot) needs to happen right from the very beginning of the motion — the body leads, then the arms follow. When GOATY says "late load," it means your pelvis stayed still for too long at the start and didn't begin shifting until the swing was already underway. Think of it like this: your hips should be the first thing to move (even subtly), and your arms/chest ride along for free. If the arms start first and the hips catch up later, that's a late load. The fix: before you initiate the turn, feel a slight pressure shift into your trail foot FIRST. That tiny ground connection is the trigger — everything else follows from it. 2. PICKING UP MOVEMENTS BETWEEN SWINGS This is a common thing when you're getting started. The system is watching for movement to detect the start of a swing, so any fidgeting, weight shifting, or repositioning between reps can trigger it. The solution: after each rep completes, hold completely still at your address position for a couple of seconds before starting your next swing. Try to be a statue between reps — hands on shoulders, feet quiet, no weight shifting. Once GOATY resets and shows it's ready for the next rep, THEN initiate. 3. THE TWO GREEN DOTS ON YOUR HIPS Those are your pelvis tracking markers — one on each hip. They show GOATY exactly where your hips are in real time, which is how it measures your loading pattern. In a perfect Step 1 rep, here's what those dots should do: - At address: both dots are still and centered - During the backswing: both dots shift slightly toward your TRAIL side (away from the target) — this is the "load" GOATY is looking for - At the top: the dots are at their maximum trail-side position - During the downswing/follow-through: the dots shift back through center and toward the lead side — this is the "re-center" The key is that the shift is smooth and controlled — not a big lateral slide, but a steady rotational load. Both dots move together because your pelvis is one unit. You're doing great for day one — 22 quality reps out of 62 attempts is solid, especially while you're learning the feel. Focus on that trail foot pressure at the very start of each rep and staying still between swings, and you'll see the pass rate climb. Keep at it!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 14, 2:31 PM
So I am to put pressure on trail heel start the backswing with my hips THEN move my shoulders?
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Dvota
Mar 14, 2:42 PM
Replying to Dvota
@Dvota — close, but one important tweak to how you're thinking about it. It's NOT hips first, then shoulders. It's more like everything turns together — started from the CENTER of your body (the base of your ribcage). Your hips don't "start" the swing — they RESPOND to the center turning. Here's a simpler way to feel it with your arms-across-chest setup: 1. Set up with gentle pressure on the inside of your trail foot — maybe a 3 out of 10. Just enough to feel grounded. This is your ANCHOR. It prevents you from sliding sideways. It doesn't drive anything. 2. Now initiate the turn from the middle of your body. Not your hips. Not your shoulders. The center. Everything turns together as one connected unit — the hips move because the center told them to, the chest turns because the center told it to. 3. The green dots move trail-side as a RESULT of the whole body rotating around that anchored trail foot. You're not pushing the dots sideways — they travel because the body is turning. The key distinction: DROP into the trail side and let the body coil around it, don't PUSH into it. If you feel your trail thigh muscle (quad) firing hard, you're pushing. If you feel more of the inner thigh and groin, you're coiling — that's the good stuff. You've already got 22 quality reps in your first session — that's a solid start. Keep going and focus on that feeling of everything turning together from the center, not hips-then-shoulders as two separate moves.
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 14, 2:46 PM
What do you mean “drop into the trail side?”
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Dvota
Mar 14, 3:18 PM
Replying to Dvota
@Dvota — great question, that phrase can sound strange if you haven't felt it yet. Let me make it concrete. Think about the difference between SITTING DOWN into a chair versus PUSHING yourself sideways into a wall. When you sit down, you use gravity. Your muscles don't shove you into the chair — you just let your weight settle. The chair catches you. That's 'dropping into the trail side.' Your trail hip is the chair. When you start your backswing, instead of pushing or muscling your hips to the right (trail side), you let gravity do the work — a quick, subtle settling of your weight into the trail hip, like sitting into a half-squat on one side. The trail hip CATCHES you. It's not effort — it's a release downward. Here's the self-test: if you feel your trail QUAD (front of the thigh) firing, you're PUSHING — that's wrong. If you feel your GROIN and INNER THIGH catch the load, you're DROPPING — that's correct. A simple drill: stand at address, arms across your chest. Now imagine someone pulled the chair out from under your trail hip just an inch — your body settles into that space. Feel your inner thigh and groin engage to catch you. THAT is the drop. Once you're there, the chest turns on its own because the spine is already loaded. The trail foot stays planted the whole time — it's just an anchor preventing you from swaying sideways. You don't push off it. You drop INTO the space above it and let the rotation happen around it. Try it on your next few reps — feel the settle, not the shove. You'll know it's right when the turn feels almost effortless instead of muscular.
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 14, 3:21 PM
Goaty, please tell me what late load means. Thank you.
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Nahtah3
Mar 14, 6:19 PM
Replying to Nahtah3
Hey Nahtah3! Great question — 'late load' means the arms started moving before the body did. Think of it this way: in a good backswing, the motion starts from the center of your body — right at the base of your ribcage. That center rotation is what moves everything else. When loading is 'late,' it means the arms got a head start and the body is playing catch-up. The feel you're looking for: imagine the swing starts from the base of your ribcage, and your arms are just along for the ride. The center turns first, and the arms follow because they're connected — not because they're doing the work. If you're getting 'late load' consistently, try this: before you swing, take a breath and feel the very first movement come from your midsection. If the club moves before your chest turns, that's the late load. If the chest goes first and the arms follow, you'll feel the difference immediately — and GOATY will too. You've already put in 156 quality reps on Step 1, so you know how to load. This is just about making sure the sequence stays body-first on every rep. You've got this!
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 14, 6:21 PM
If I load the trail hip correctly and my chest moves into that space where the hips were located, do I just then keep the structure of a straight left arm while finishing my backswing and that should load my abdominal fascial slings?
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Apullaro
Mar 14, 10:55 PM
Replying to Apullaro
You're connecting the dots well — the sequence you're describing is close. Let me tighten it up. Trail hip loading and the chest turning into that space — yes, that's the right order. The spine organizes rotation from the base of the ribcage (that T12-L2 area), the pelvis responds by rotating around the trail hip, and the chest follows into the space the pelvis created. You've got that part. The lead arm piece is a little different than just keeping it straight, though. The lead arm's real job is to ANCHOR the front of the system — it stays connected through the lead shoulder blade and the last three fingers of your lead hand. It's less about rigidly holding the arm stiff and more about maintaining enough structure that the arm acts as a connected lever. When the lead arm anchors the front and the trail scap retracts on the back end, you've got both sides of the system loaded. Now here's the important part about the slings: you can't load them by TRYING to load them. The sling stretch is what shows up when the spine is organizing correctly, the trail hip is loaded, the scap is retracting, and the lead arm is anchored. It's the receipt that confirms you did it right — not the action itself. If all those pieces connect, here's what you'll notice: the turn feels HARDER but the arms feel LIGHTER. Your midsection will feel like it's stretching on the lead side. That's the signal. If you set up those positions and don't notice that, something upstream isn't connecting — usually the trail scap retraction or the trail hip depth. With 417 GOAT Drill reps under your belt, you've built real awareness. Next session test: drop into the trail hip (not push), feel the trail scap glide back, keep the lead arm connected — then just notice: does the turn get harder? Do the arms feel lighter? If yes, the system is loading. If no, we know exactly where to look.
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 14, 11:02 PM
The demo video shows a “pass” at the end of the backswing, is that still a thing ?
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C Downer
Mar 15, 1:55 AM
Replying to C Downer
@C Downer — yes, absolutely still a thing! Every rep in Step 1 gets evaluated in real time, and you'll see PASS or FAIL feedback after each one. Here's what GOATY is watching for during the backswing in Step 1: whether your pelvis loads properly toward the trail side (those green hip dots shifting trail-ward) and whether your head stays relatively centered. When those gates are met, you get the pass. When the loading is late, insufficient, or your head drifts too far, it's a fail. With 86 quality reps across 98 sessions, you've put in serious work. That pass feedback is your real-time confirmation that the loading pattern connected on that rep. Keep chasing those passes — each one is building the motor pattern.
GOATY
GOATY
Mar 15, 2:01 AM

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