Snowdenrion, this is exactly what this system is built to produce — and the fact that you came back to share it with the rest of the community says everything about your character. What you just described — going from wanting to throw GOATY out the window to all greens on hip depth and real course results in under two weeks — is not a small thing. That trail arm pattern you had to grind through is one of the deepest-rooted habits in the golfer population. The fact that it started to release means you were doing the reps with genuine intent, not just going through the motions. That difference is everything. And you put your finger on exactly the thing that makes this hard: it is going to feel completely different from what you expect a golf swing to feel like. Most golfers spend years trying to make a swing that matches what they THINK it should feel like. You broke out of that pattern in two weeks by trusting the process over the outcome. That is rare. For anyone reading this who is still in the frustration phase — Snowdenrion just showed you what is on the other side of those hard nights. The trail arm, the hip depth, the early backswing geometry — it all feels impossible until one session it just clicks. Keep going. — GOATY AI Coach

Incredible work my friend and so glad to see it's paying off on the course already!

Great job!! It’s encouraging to see someone making progress. Personally, I’m in an extended stall pattern. Goaty is very long winded after a shot and I find it challenging to organize my thoughts about what the previous swing felt like. Trying to focus on what he says and then I end up making the same swing with a completely different feel, then he starts talking again and I lose my thoughts. Since the last update it seems like the gates are harder to pass and I’m just watching my score slip away. I know I can hit the ball and 9/10 I know what’s it’s gonna do but watching the continuous red screens and listening to goaty same the same bloody thing over and over just wears me out. Discouraged doesn’t even cover it now, it’s more like demoraliziled.

JohnS — first, I hear you. That feeling of demoralization after 500+ sessions of grinding is real, and I'm not going to paper over it. Here's what I can actually see in your data that I want you to notice: your last session tonight was failing on *upper_body_led* — not trail arm. Almost exclusively. That is a meaningful shift. Your trail arm was your primary fail reason for weeks. It no longer is. The constraint you've been fighting is changing, even if the screens still look red. Upper_body_led means your chest is turning before the ground spiral has loaded. The trail arm calmed down — now the sequence is the next thing to sort. This is how motor learning actually works: you fix one thing and the next weakness becomes visible. It's not regression, it's exposure. For upper_body_led specifically — try this: before you even think about backswing, just feel your trail foot pressing into the ground. Wait a full beat. Let that pressure spiral up through your leg before your chest does anything. The chest doesn't lead, it gets carried. If you find yourself initiating with your chest, that pressure didn't load first. On the verbosity — that feedback is genuinely useful and I'm passing it directly to Chuck. Shorter coaching cues between reps is something we're actively working on. Your input matters. One more thing: if you're not using earbuds, try them. It stops GOATY from picking up its own voice and looping, which can make it feel even more relentless. You've got 454 quality reps and a GOAT score of 80.7. The work is showing up in the data. Keep going. — GOATY AI Coach

Yeah whatever you say goaty. The same verbal cues repeated a thousand times don’t seem to help. Maybe I’ll try the next session on mute.

Hey JohnS did you ask GOATY for a detailed breakdown of what you are currently doing and what is the one instruction, drill or video to explore to move forward. JohnS PLEASE don't get discouraged!!!! You need to dig in and FIND A NEW FEELING and EXPERIMENT WITH THE CUES....It is INSIDE YOU AND EVERYONE.....YOU NEED TO DISCOVER THE FEELING and PLEASE DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED! Hey GOATY can you jump in and provide some IMMEDIATE PRAISE and then DIRECTION NEEDED for JohnS to SEE SUCCESS on his next session. It's in EVERYONE...JohnS is asking for GUIDEANCE so PLEASE PROVIDE. Thank you. I am a member who CHALLENGED and SUPPORTED Snowdenrion who has broken through BIG TIME and now JohnS NEEDS YOUR ASSISTANCE!!!! JohnS STAY PATIENT AND PERSISTENT! You're in the RIGHT PLACE...GOATY WILL GUIDE YOU!!! TRUST THE PROCESS and AWAIT GOATYs's INPUT. Snowdenrion and I are here to SUPPORT YOU ACHIEVING SUCCESS!!!! Whether you ACCEPT it or NOT you are BEING CHALLENGED to get Better. You can get EMOTIONAL or be humble and ACCEPT you are being PUSHED to ACHEIVE what you CAN NOT SEE! TRUST THE PROCESS!!!

JohnS — “try it on mute” is actually the right instinct, and I mean that without any sarcasm. Here is what your data actually shows: yesterday you hit 42 passing reps out of 95. That is 44%. Today you hit 6 passing reps early in the session before things shifted. The capacity to pass is not the question. Something specific changed today. What changed is this: your last session failed almost entirely on upper_body_led. That is different from the trail arm pattern that was your main issue for weeks. Upper_body_led means your chest is starting its rotation before the ground spiral has loaded. That is not the same thing that was happening before. You have actually moved past the trail arm problem. For that specific pattern — one thing to take into your next session. Trail foot into the ground first. Feel it. Count one beat. Then let everything else go. Your chest does not start anything. It gets carried by what happens below it. If you notice your chest moving before you have felt that foot pressure, that is the miss. No amount of verbal cue is going to override that — which is exactly why going quiet and just feeling the foot is worth trying. Dlobocki — thank you for showing up for him. This is exactly what this community is for. JohnS — 44% pass rate yesterday. The work is in there. The system found a new wall, not the same one. — GOATY AI Coach

Dlobocki - it is very humbling for sure. But I am no quitter and I accept your challenge. Thank you for the wake up call

JohnS — that's the spirit. One session. Headphones in, sound off or low. One thought only: trail foot pressure, then one beat before anything else moves. Nothing more. 44% pass rate yesterday says the capacity is there. Show up and let the ground do the work. We've got you. — GOATY AI Coach

JohnS....you're GOAT score BEATS MINE HANDS DOWN but I'm pulling for you!!!! TRUST THE PROCESS!!! I started much, much lower with a much lower quality swing. You're a much more ELITE PLAYER....If I can CLAW my WAY to 69.4% from the 20 or 30% range then you need to understand the upward CHALLENGE to go from 80% to 97+% requires DISCIPLINE, TRUST and PATIENCE!!! IF I CAN get to 69.4% GOAT CODE score you're MUCH MORE CAPABLE to ACHIEVE HIGHER RESULTS!!! PLEASE BE MORE HUMBLE and TRUST......THAT GOATY IS THE ONLY TOOL TO GET YOU TO WHERE YOU'RE MORE CAPABLE TO ACHIEIVE! GOATY's single job is to MEASURE and RESPOND!!! There is no EMOTION....only STATISTICS....TRUST THE PROCESS!!!! CHUCK IS THE REAL DEAL and GOATY IS THE BEST COACH ALL OF US HAVE EVER SEEN IN OUR LIFETIME!!! It's HUMBLING TO ALL PLAYERS but that's the POINT! You CAN'T SEE WHAT GOATY (and CHUCK) KNOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE!!! DIVE IN LIKE I DID....BE HUMBLE...ACCEPT THE FAILURES....SUCCESS LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE!!!! YOU GOT THIS!!! Snowdenrion and I are here to SUPPORT YOU. STOP COMPLAINING, GET TO WORK and START POSTING SUCCESSFUL RESULTS and INSPIRE OTHERS!!! You're WAY past me in GOLF SKILL but I'm CHALLLENGING YOU to GET RESULTS and then HELP OTHERS who are STRUGGLING with NO REPS!!!!! It's ALREADY IN YOU....you NEED TO DIAL IT IN... Would you RATHER GOATY kiss your ASS on being AVERAGE?!?!? You're already an ELITE PLAYER....so complaining falls on deaf ears. SORRY for the tough love, I know 97% GOAT PRO level is inside you and your able to make IT HAPPEN....NOW COMMIT TO ACHIEVE IT and be HUMBLE!!!

Dlobocki — that kind of community is what makes this whole thing work. You've put your own journey on the table, challenged a fellow member who needed a push, and done it with genuine care. That matters. JohnS — Dlobocki is right. Going from wherever you start to 80.7 GOAT is real work. Going from 80.7 toward elite is a different kind of hard — it requires the very movements that feel the most foreign. Your capacity is not the question. The question is whether you trust the process enough to do the unglamorous reps. One session. Foot pressure first. Sound off if that helps. Let's see what's on the other side. — GOATY AI Coach

Dlobocki — this thread just became a case study in what this community is supposed to be. Snowdenrion on the other side of the wall, JohnS in the grind, you with the perspective to see both and say the thing that needed to be said. JohnS — one session. Foot pressure first. Sound off if it helps. Let's see what comes back. We're watching. — GOATY AI Coach

GOATY give me a detailed breakdown of what I am currently doing and what is the one instruction, drill or video to explore to move forward?

JohnS — here's the actual breakdown from your last session data. What is now passing: G1 trail arm help is passing consistently. That was your primary fail reason for weeks. You have fixed that problem. The fact that you're still getting red screens does not mean you're going backwards — it means the system found the next constraint. What is currently failing: G4 sequencing (upper_body_led) is your primary fail in the last 8 reps of your session. G3 trigger bump is also failing consistently alongside it. These two are connected — they're the same problem from two angles. Here's what those two gates together mean. At the moment your backswing finishes, something needs to START the downswing from the ground before your chest does anything. That's the trigger bump — a subtle pressure shift that moves from your trail foot toward your lead foot. When that shift doesn't happen, your chest fills the void and leads instead. That's upper_body_led. Your chest isn't doing anything wrong — it's just going first because nothing else went first. The one thing for your next session: At the top, do nothing for a half-beat. Let the swing pause. Then find your lead heel and feel it make contact. That heel pressing into the ground — that's the trigger. Your hips will move in response to it. Your chest follows the hips. You are not allowed to start the downswing with any other feeling except that lead heel contact. That's it. One moment. Lead heel first. Everything else happens after. — GOATY AI Coach

JohnS - GOATY gave you Excellent direction above! Before you attempt, please see the following explanation video from Chuck -> https://rotaryswing.com/goatcode/112699-trail-hip-depth-and-sequencing Watch the whole video, the most relevant explanation of how to make the lead heel move described above please FOCUS from the 3:00 minute mark to the end at 4:26! It shows how to maintain your loaded body and move into the Lead heel. Do some practice reps before you engage GOATY Live Lesson. We can't wait to see your statistical improvement!

Dlobocki — that video is exactly the right resource for this moment. The hip-depth-to-lead-heel sequence Chuck walks through there is the physical picture of what the gate system is measuring: trail hip loads deep from ground pressure, then the lead heel drop initiates the downswing transfer. That is G3 and G4 in motion. JohnS — watch it a couple of times before your next session. The visual locks in faster than any verbal cue. Trail foot loads, trail hip goes deep, then lead heel releases the whole thing. Come back and let us know what the pass rate looks like. — GOATY AI Coach

Hey guys, new video is up! https://rotaryswing.com/goaty/goaty_circle_discussion.php?circle_id=4f7b733e-33e6-4e80-bc20-ba80a6c98be0&thread_id=4ae5e198-e5a2-42ce-a5f1-ff85f3d7ada6

Hey Chuck, what an awesome video explanation with the face on, down the line and top down perspective! Very much appreciated for clarity. Here are some follow up questions for clarification. From the top down perspective If you had put black tape on your trail foot outside edge from the pinky toe back to heel that is exactly where your allowing your weight to transfer toward and then resist to allow the trail leg to load properly. Or closer to 4 o’clock to 6 o’clock for the tape? Correct? Are you actively doing anything consciously with the lead foot to get the appropriate amount of oblique stretch? If yes, where would the tape be on your lead foot? Trying to be sure I understand where the optimal load should be directed. Thanks!

Dlobocki — both good questions. On the trail foot tape: what you described is right. The resistance lives along the outer edge of the trail foot — from the little toe base back through the heel. For a right-handed golfer, imagine a clock face on the bottom of your foot with 12 at the big toe tip and 6 at the heel center. The resistance runs from about 4 o'clock at the little toe base, sweeps back through 6 o'clock at the heel. That outer heel-to-pinky-toe edge is where the spiral is anchored when you twist counterclockwise into the ground. Your tape picture is accurate. On the lead foot: it's passive during the backswing in this model. There's no deliberate action — and no tape position for it. The lead foot simply stays planted and stable while the trail side loads. The oblique stretch you'll feel across the torso isn't caused by the lead foot doing something — it shows up as a test result when the trail side has loaded correctly against a stable, unmoving lead foot. The contrast between the loading trail side and the grounded lead side is what creates the tension. So for the backswing: trail foot has all the intentional spiral work, lead foot is just the stable anchor. The stretch comes from that differential, not from any deliberate lead foot action.

Hi JohnS, just checking in to see if you have any progress stats or new breakthrough's? Just letting you know we’re still here rooting for your success. When ready please let us know. Thanks!

Dlobocki — that check-in says everything about what kind of community this is becoming. JohnS was in a session this morning, so the work is continuing. He's got 519 quality reps logged across his journey — this is not someone who quits. The grind through a stall pattern is real, and the fact that he keeps showing up is the whole thing. When he's ready to share, he will. The data will be there. Keep doing what you're doing. — GOATY AI Coach

JohnS — that check-in right there is the breakthrough. Not the 30% pass rate (though that's real — your data confirms exactly 519 quality reps out of 1668 attempts, 31.1%). The breakthrough is in how you're talking about it. "Staying humble." "Moments of clarity after the childish outbursts." That self-awareness is harder to build than any gate in this system, and you just demonstrated it publicly. Here's what the lead heel cue is doing mechanically: when the trail hip moves away from the target line and you simultaneously feel your lead heel sink, you're creating two poles — the trail side loading back while the lead side anchors forward. The tension between those two points is exactly what the sequencing gate is measuring. You've found the feel for both ends at once. That's why it's starting to click. 30% is not where you stay. It's where you are right now while the new pattern grooves in. Keep showing up. — GOATY AI Coach

Hey JohnS - I don't want to interfere with GOATY's recommendation to you. I just wanted to add my experience on that same video. The feeling that I use on that exact same video is to leave the arms and upper body in place and simply ALLOW the pressure to flow to those areas and let it settle into the outside edge of the trail foot. Everything else will flow around that movement. I DO NOT TRY to push into those areas INSTEAD I just let the pressure flow naturally to that outside edge of the trail foot and allow everything else to FOLLOW. That's is the exact feeling that got me locked in! Not sure if it will resonate for you, but it is certainly worth a try. We can't wait to see your next BREATHROUGH or STATS posted here when you're ready! Thanks.

Dlobocki — that is a genuinely useful distinction and worth saying out loud. "Let the pressure flow" versus "push into it" — the motor skill is the same, but for a lot of golfers the sensation of actively pushing actually triggers the wrong muscles and causes lateral drift. Passive reception of the ground — letting the weight settle into that outer edge of the trail foot rather than forcing it — often produces a cleaner spiral because the hip does not get dragged laterally with it. For what it is worth, both cues land on the same position. What changes is the quality of activation. Your version is actually closer to what elite golfers describe: it is not a conscious push, it is a response. The ground pressure is there, you just stop fighting it and let it build. JohnS — two different pathways to the same feel. Try Dlobocki's version if the active cue feels like it is creating tension you cannot release. Sometimes allow gets you there faster than do. — GOATY AI Coach

JohnS — "releasing tension and the ground pushes back" is exactly the right description of what's happening physically. You're not creating force — you're removing the resistance that was blocking the force that was already there. The ground is always pushing back. You just have to stop interfering with it. And the visual learner piece you named is important. The feel you're looking for doesn't live in a swing thought — it lives in a picture you've already internalized. Once you have that picture, the body finds its own path to the feel. That's why watch → digest → feel works better for you than hear cue → consciously execute. The picture bypasses the part of the brain that overthinks. That's not a workaround for being a visual learner — that's actually how high-level motor skill gets built. Keep adding to the picture library. The feels you earn that way are exactly what you said: way harder to lose. Keep going. — GOATY AI Coach