How to Shallow Your Hands During Transition

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Do your hands go straight out toward the golf ball and don't shallow out during the transition in your golf swing? Here's why and how to fix it!

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Asle
The little flick of the wrist thru impact - is that with the LW alone or with both wrists? Is this the release as well? Is this for a R side dominant player only, for in other videos we hear that the release should happen naturally without any active use of the wrists?
December 31, 2022
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Asle. The release will happen naturally as the posting up will start to trigger the throwing/squaring of the club. Lead side players will tend to have a more gradual release. Trail side can add a little more trail side force and stability but a brief moment in time. They won't look all that different. Take a look at Overview of Push Release and Tape Drill.
January 1, 2023
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Mark
You have a really good swing
June 28, 2022
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. Which one? I see lots of good swings on this lesson
June 28, 2022
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roberto
I seem to be having trouble with decelerationo of swing . my follow through is not consistent...roberto
December 22, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roberto. Try the drill in How Swing Speed Affects Compression (for deceleration) and You Throw the Club Head at the Golf Ball Videos.
December 22, 2020
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Mark
I tried this (stabbing thigh) at the range today. Hit the ball great! However will this encourage me to get my hands and arms too active again? This is one area I have improved lately amongst others (thanks Craig) by keeping my hands and arms quiet. So if I continue to start the downswing with my lower body when do I initiate the stabbing the thigh move? Great work Chuck!
December 8, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. You're welcome. But, you do all the hard work. It can get them a little active, but that is why it is imperative that you get the shift and shallow first before deploying the move. After the sq to sq/shallow arms you would implement.
December 9, 2020
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Eric
Had a couple of good rounds after this. I kind of noticed i hit it well but lost a little distance. I had been getting into a good top of backswing by putting weight into my trail foot (weight shift) and rotating from my trail side keeping some connection with trail pec and bicep. Today I focused on keeping my left arm straight to get extension to recoup distance. I think it put some tension into my trail shoulder and I hit a few awful shots mixed in with a lot of good ones. Is that an issue? Do you want to keep a relaxed straight right arm, but relaxed? I was working in front of a mirror. I think when I get lazy and round my shoulders, coupled with the pec-bicep my swing gets very narrow. Getting good shoulder posture helps maintain width and extension?
November 7, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Good posture and rotation will help with extension when the trail arm stays straight. Nothing in the swing should be excessively glued/locked. Good setup and rotate while keeping the trail arm straight. Don't overly tense up.
November 9, 2020
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francis
As I watched and absorbed the insights from this video I was reminded of the “throw the ball drill” lesson which I then reviewed. This drill explains the correct role of the right arm, and if done properly , results in a perfect lower body action almost effortlessly. I am left wondering about the value of adding in the “squat move”, which in the “throw the ball drill” isn’t mentioned ? Frank McManus Liverpool England
October 30, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Francis. The squat move is a must when performing the drills. Not mentioned in the throw the ball drill, but weight shift/squat still occur in that move.
October 30, 2020
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H.J.
Great VDO. Regarding the timing of the ‘stab the thigh move’, does that coincide with max pressure of the lead foot?
October 30, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello H.J. It will be around the time of that peak force.
October 30, 2020
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David
How low should the hands be at the peak of the backswing? Should line created by the lead arm be above, at, or below the right shoulder when looking at the swing head on from the right side? Thanks.
October 29, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. We will have new content describing exact positioning. Looking at it from the right side could mean a few different angles. So, not sure where exactly is the reference point. However, right now the goal is the trail arm at the bas of the pectorals.
October 30, 2020
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Kevin
This swing thought really has helped my under plane and allowed me to finally pick some fairway woods out of deep rough. I didn’t block any shots right when I played today - miss was a pull hook but once I stopped my shoulders square at impact that went away. Still under plane and coming off the tush line but I’ll get there
October 28, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. Glad the video helped. Some of that isn't tush line, but camera angle.
October 29, 2020
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Richard
Yes what did you discover that caused you to go to this effortless swing and what drills did you use to transition from your original swing and how much speed did you gain along the path if any and how lond did it take to gain that sped.
October 28, 2020
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Chuck
I think you're looking at this from the wrong perspective and a bit out of context, and that's because I haven't given the context to you yet! I'm still writing and working through some things on the force plate and need some more time to finalize these details, but trust me they're coming! I'm on page 61 writing so far!
October 28, 2020
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Gareth
Great video Chuck, the "stab the thigh" steeping move really helped on hitting the long iron & fairway wood. However I think I over did the steepening move? Toward end of my round yesterday, I chunked a few short irons & ones I manage to hit were at least 10 yards short. Am I right?
October 28, 2020
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Chuck
Gareth, my quick guess is that you probably tend to pick the club up with the arms more with the shorter clubs and not make as good of a turn as that's a common problem and result pairing.
October 28, 2020
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Richard
When Chuck says his swing feels without effort is that just between his hands and the grip.I would like to ask him about the old swing or swings on video with his old s wing prior to rotary did heuse to move the club w as it hands and arms like us and how many mph was he able to generate and how does he dicover adding more speed while changing his s wing. exactly how what was he woring on when he noticed an increas e in speed or did he a wsy have speed even w ith hands and arms,
October 27, 2020
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Chuck
When I'm talking about feeling effortless, I'm generally feeling to how much work my entire body, including my arms and hands felt like they had to put into the swing. I'm not sure I understand the rest of the question,c an you rephrase?
October 28, 2020
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Geir
Could you please clarify one point that confuses me. One of the RST mantras (?) and also a focus at the beginning of this lesson is to leave your arms quiet from the top of the backswing. During the steepening move shown here, however, the lower right arm is actively moving downwards and away from the upper arm, losing the angle of the right elbow. This is also clearly necessary to get the hands close to the body. At what point should the lower arm start to move away from the upper arm?
October 27, 2020
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Chuck
Geir, this should not be an active motion, it's actually quite subtle and more a guiding motion than an active motion.
October 28, 2020
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Rayan
Chuck, after watching this video a couple of days ago, a light went off in my head. The stab yourself in the leg routine has worked for me. I’ve practice this move a few thousand times and can report that I am hitting my irons flush, i.e., dead center and a baby draw. Love it. This coming from a guy who had to fight a slice every time. If nay of you suffer from slicing, or even hooks, you must try the stab your self in the leg move. It works. Thank you so much. Now I don’t have to consciously think to bow my lead wrist and turning my left. It just happens. As I said earlier the contact is flush and that sound is contagious. I had to work my way from stabbing my trail leg to moving the stab to my lead leg. Once I did this the magic began to happen. I now have to make my full turn to move out of the way of the stabbing motion, and solid contact occurs. I LOVE IT!!! Thank you so much Chuck. You’re the best. Keep teaching us the right way. So happy I’m a member.
October 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Rayan. Awesome. Thanks for the report and good news. Keep striking that ball flush.
October 28, 2020
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Eric
Wow, what a great video. I just referred a friend to your website. I told him to spend a coupe of weeks watching the 5 minute series and the winter exercises, and then watch this video once he understands the concepts. I have been a member for three years and have improved, but I was alsways missing something. I have fought to get to a good elbow down position at the top of the backswing and when I miss it is mostly left. I have been working on A alignment posture and good right side pull. I am a notorious left side pusher. If I get a flying right elbow Iam toast, over the top. This video made me realize I was putting muscle tension into my right shoulder which leads to a flying elbow and firing from my right shoulder and hands/arms. Now I do try to connect my pec and bicep anf let the weight transfer initial rotation take me to the top in a relaxed position (learned from the right arm only swing). My right shoulder is relaxed and elbow down, I the shift to the left side and I can feel that separation between the right pec and bicep. I have been doing this as a drill going to the top, feeling the left weight shift separation and then hit the ball. The ball flies straight and long. I had been hitting a high ball, but now it is much lower trajectory. It feels amazing, I feel like I go under the ball with a beautiful finish. When I go to a full speed swing (trying to keep pec/bicep connection) I hit about one out of five off to the right. Sometimes I fee the separation and sometimes not, but sometime when i don’t feel it, it still goes well. If I try stabbing the right leg on practice I end up pull hooking it a bit. How should I build this into my regular swing, a swing rehearsal practice swing. I am tempted to do the stop at the top, but my buddies would make fun of me : ). Thanks, this was an amazing video teaching me top of backswing and downswing!
October 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Stopping at the top and rehearsal swings before hitting the ball both will be a good way to go about it. Make sure you film your reps so you can have some feedback. If you start hooking we should check to make sure that you aren't getting too active with the hands, or adding shoulders with the release.
October 28, 2020
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James
This seems to explain the Justin Rose pre-shot routine. Thoughts?
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Justin may be working on the same type of principle, but I unsure without asking him .
October 27, 2020
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Jim
A lot of my own faults have become clearer after watching this entire online lesson. I finally understand why my shaft tends to shallow too much from a high hands positions and how to correct it with lower hands and and the critical steepening move discussed toward the end of the lesson. I have had other professionals tell me this, but I never really had a good mental image and understanding of all the components necessary to accomplish it. Also, for someone who struggles with lag and release, I can see how it sets you up to be able to more easily release the club as well. Thanks again for a great lesson.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jim. Glad you enjoyed the lesson.
October 27, 2020
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Matt
In my practice swings I tend to always get the high hands as I felt that 'looked' better on video but then when I added pace I always ended up with lower hands but still would be trying that same shallowing move so I would get some pretty big hooks or at times shanks when trying to force have ahead. So I understand the premise that low hands need to add some steepening movement but in regards to people who have done the dead drill boot camp and still working through those drills, how does this fit? Is it good to work on the dead drill without a club so you keep getting the sequencing down but then when you add in the chub and look at video see if you are low hands add this drill to supplement? Or is there a whole different thought of dead drill moving forward with this stuff?
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
DEAD Drill is focusing primarily on the lower body and the arms are added in but left as a variable as to how you want to elevate and use them. I'm wanting to be able to choose one over the other based on the results of my study. So the primary difference that will come of this is being explicit on how the arms work best and why to hit more consistent, effortless shots. Keep in mind that these feelings I gave Matthew in this lesson were very extreme exaggerations and not something that you're going to try and achieve literally.
October 26, 2020
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Matt
Are there going to be drills similar to this to help with this variable? I guess I sort of got confused in the beginning when you worked with him to shallow but then you finished by steepening so I wasn't sure where the blend there was.
October 26, 2020
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Manning
Can't help but feel like this is a bit of a reversion to Jim Hardy and his teaching swinging along the arc after tipping the shaft in the downswing - with lower hands at the top, and a more bent over set up. Perhaps with the only difference being the mechanism of speed through impact being generated from the legs with Rotary Swing vs. the torso with Jim Hardy.
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
Hardy’s teaching on how the arms work is something that i strongly disagree with. The only similarity is that i am suggesting lower hands which he advocates with what he calls a one plane swing
October 26, 2020
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Michael
Delighted to see that you and Mike Malaska are on the same page regards tipping the shaft on the downswing. This is probably the best lesson I have seen you give as I could have been this student. It is worth noting that ending up with the hips in much the same position as address at impact along with hands going out will result in frequent shanks and will destroy your love of the game.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. Thanks for the compliments on the lesson and happy you had some good insights.
October 27, 2020
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Richard
Chuck You give such detailed explanations yet I never seem to get clearer.I would like to know what does it feel like to go through the impact zone using the big big muscles as opposed to the arms After Chuck says people lose speed by trying to carry the club through rather than release it with the forearms, exacatly when does speed occur and for how long ,and what does it feel like.
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
Great question Richard! The trick to answering this question is that it could feel a lot of different ways for a lot of different people - and that's what I'm trying to resolve. Some golfers will feel very right arm dominant and you can play great golf this way, some may feel left, some may feel hips, some may feel XYZ. So it's impossible to say unless you have a different way of measuring the swing. What I mean by that is what is your end goal. For me, it's effortlessness. At the end of the day, that's what I really care about, feeling pure, effortless shots over and over again. To achieve that, the less I use my arms, the easier it is. So, from that perspective, the best speed feeling is when my hips and legs drive my torso through and my arms whip through at the end, feeling like they did nothing at all.
October 26, 2020
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gordon
This is a fascinating video lesson containing several gems on information. I would appreciate some help sorting them out! High hands (at the top of the backswing) due to excessive elevation tend to cause a steep downswing so need a shallowing move after transition, whereas the opposite statements are true for low hands, - is that correct? Having a more „bent over“ set up tends to keep the hands lower at the top of the backswing, so a steepener is needed in the downswing, which is the purpose of the stab-in-the-thigh exercise, is that correct. Incidentally the Tiger Woods video clip included in the lesson showing how open his hips are shortly after transition was a real eye-opener for me. Thanks for sharing this lesson, and for your guidance re the above questions, Regards, Gordon.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Sounds like you are on the proper track to me. We will have drills and further follow up information to help you work on the corrections. This lesson is a good way to start showing some of the newer concepts in real world application.
October 26, 2020
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Roger
FOR ME, I have to bow my wrist to get the club moving down and not out. If he would try to bow his wrist at the top, it will help as compared to being cupped. That should be your next project, cupped wrist as compared to flat/bowed wrist.
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roger. Thanks for the suggestion.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
Whoa. I went from clarity to confusion with the last 10-15 minutes of this one. Just for clarification, when does the "stab the leg" feel begin? It looked like he was in a great delivery position when you got him to stop firing the upper body at transition by using the lower body only and letting the hands fall straight down, and then it seemed to me from there (which is "post up and release"), you introduced the stab the leg feeling. Could that be why I sometimes feel I'm coming from too far inside? I know you're going to be doing videos of this with drills etc.., but I'm really intrigued and confused at the same time. I'll say this Chuck, you continue to amaze me with your insight and innovation, and your desire to make it easier to learn. PS: I am breaking 80 again, and at 62, I have more power now than I've ever had. Thanks!
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. Yes. It could be why you feel too far inside at times. Think about the Trace the Plane Line Video. We will have further drills, etc. This is just some introductory information.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
Hi Craig. Isn't this video only for someone who is coming down too flat and needs a quick fix to steepen at the last half second?
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. I was referring to your comment about being too far inside. That video isn't referring to a quick fix, but if you keep pulling and don't allow for the forearms to rotate down you will be under plane and not zero out the path into the strike.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
I don't think you ever answered my first question. At what point should "stab the leg" begin? From the top? From the delivery position? Thanks Craig.
October 28, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. The move will be subtle and not too active. After the initial drop/shallow you being the motion.
October 28, 2020
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Tom
I am a low hands guy and after watching the video I decided to head to the driving range. I feared whiffing the ball and bouncing the clubhead off the ground in front of my buds. However, after a couple of dozen slow motion swings with mixed but improving results I decided to add a little pace to my swings focusing on clearing my hips while moving my right arm as demonstrated. The combination of momentum and the right arm movement resulted in what I am sure was the best golf shot I have ever hit. Even better, I felt no control over the club and it zipped through the hitting area before I knew it at a speed to which I am not accustomed. And then I did it again and again! Chuck, thank you for all the hard work you have put into bringing your insights to all of us. Kindest regards, Tom
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Awesome. Thanks for letting us know your results and keep up the good work!
October 26, 2020
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Ken
I mean, I guess I didn't need to hear what this guy had to say, but it would have been nice. Couldn't hear anything past the first word he would say. Nice lesson though.
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ken. Apologize about the audio. It is a little tough to hear what Matt is referring too.
October 26, 2020
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Carver
This lesson should be required viewing for all golf pundits, announcers etc. You took this opportunity of expanding a lesson into an enlightened, holistic understand of the golf swing. Describing the swing as a combination of steepening and shallowing moves made so much sense and rips the band aid off of quick fixes. You really lay out a path to swing improvement and offer the golfer a couple of options depending on whether they want to begin with a steepening or shallowing move, or in the case something in between. I thought the leg stabbing (you may need a new name) drill was fantastic and really helps get the feel of clearing the hips. Thanks Chuck.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Thanks for the kind words Carver! I'm really looking forward to releasing the new videos that are going to be done to align with the data to make the swing simpler and effortless!
October 25, 2020
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Lippen
I was a walking scorer at the ZoZo tournament and yesterday I was watching Patrick Reed warming up using a moon shaped pad under his right arm up at the chest in a position like Chuck was describing. He maintained the connection with pad all the way throughout the swing. My question is does this position reduce the width in the swing and does the right stay connected all the way through? Well done video and lesson!
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Width when viewed from face on in 2D sure, but a shallower arm swing creates more depth which is acting as width in that regard.
October 25, 2020
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Maya
Great lesson and explanation. I have a question. What is wrist doing at this point? Is it cocked while shallowing and continues that way until you release?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Ideally the trail wrist is very, very slightly adding a little hinge at this point. This helps shallow the club as well as allows the club to fall into the fingers more for subtle speed increase.
October 25, 2020
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Dale
I make these comments as a long time member and strong supporter. I joined at about the time when Chuck was switching from Rotary Swing to Rotary Swing Tour, or, from a low hands swing to a higher hands swing. The subject of this lesson has a pretty darn good high hands swing. He has almost classic position at the top of the backswing, where the left arm points at the ball. From here, a perfectly proper move is to swing the hands toward the ball, with the left arm being the plane arm until the release zone. It seems to me his problems are that he is doing things in the downswing that do not support his high hands swing. So, instead of tweaking these things, Chuck chose to change everything about his swing to a low hands swing: different spine angle, different shoulder turn, different transition where he has the right arm become the plane arm very early, etc. This requires a totally different release. I know Chuck has spent his recent months experimenting with ground forces and high vs low hands. From what he was doing in this lesson, it appears that he has concluded that the low hands swing is superior for most golfers, and he is moving from Rotary Swing Tour back to Rotary Swing. I have no problem with this, but I would appreciate Chuck’s comments on this. For myself, I am 84 year old with two bad knees and declining strength and flexibility. I feel I need a high hands swing to maximize the leverage I can get with my limited ability to get good rotation. Does that seem logical?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Hi Dale and thanks for your thoughts. I would say I didn't undue his entire swing as you put it, I made it simpler by simply reducing the amount of elevation he has, which made it easier to shallow the club - the main problem he was struggling with.
October 25, 2020
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Rayan
Chuck what an eye opening lesson. This was fantastic. I took a look at my swing on video and I saw how my arms were going out away from me. I then tried your “stab yourself in the leg” move and was amazed at the results. This “tipping” move works for me. thank you so much. Now I have to just consistently practice it, slowly, at first, then gradually speed it up. So happy I watched the entire video. Keep up the good work.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Thanks for the feedback! I was worried this might seem too complex to some.
October 25, 2020
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James
I think this is an excellent video from Chuck and have to agree with him that high hands, well certainly for me, make it more difficult to shallow the swing plane. I found this a very intuitive video that I can relate to in my own swing, well done Chuck. I have been really trying to focus on my hips more over the last few weeks, with the help of Craig's guidance to make this happen more. It is certainly a valid point for me shown at 43.10 where the pupils hips are square and I too am trying to get the left hip pulling back out of the way at this point. There is just one clarification I'd like to sort and that is at the 46.40 point where Chuck refers to making the spine steeper. I have taken this to mean, getting the upper body closer to the ground. Hope I have got this thinking correct. Well done Chuck and your student for clarifying a lot for me in this area.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
As you push your hips back away from the target your spine angle will steepen and move your head/upper torso closer to the ball.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Meant to say push hips away from target line/ball
October 25, 2020
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James
I worked on this today, trying to steepen my upper body but found it difficult to get my left hip back out away from the ball, plus I lose my tush line. Not really sure what I am doing wrong here. Have to say at 79 I am not so flexible to do what Tiger does! :((
October 26, 2020
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James
Thanks Chuck, yes this is how I read this. This actually helps my dodgy lead leg as well
October 25, 2020
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THOMAS
...continuing on my comment...when I refer to flexion I mean that combo of flexion and arm rotation that gives me the "set" feeling...hope I have those terms right
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Thomas. I think Chuck got you below. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
October 26, 2020
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Tony
Don't like the thought that swinging flatter will loose distance ! This method can go where the monkey stores his nuts.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
If you aren't near your potential, then this isn't a concern for you. I dropped from 122 to 119 but hit it more solid more consistently so overall distance has actually improved as my ball speed went UP 1 mph.
October 25, 2020
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
I am in process of watchin the video and hear Matthew saying he worries that lower hands might give him less clubhead speed. My guess is he might get even more speed by a little lower hands because that will take away the early firing of hands/arms wich will give his big muscles the chance to produce more power and give more effortless clubhead speed. I go on now watching rest of this interesting video!
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marcel. This can be true. Matt will have the chance to be more efficient instead of deploying the speed too early.
October 26, 2020
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Kyaw Thet
I can relate this video with "square the club early" video. Are they similar concept?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Yes, saying same thing in slightly different ways
October 25, 2020
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Cathy
Great lesson but I couldn't hear the gentleman you were working with at all! His sound went in and out but mostly out. But I could piece together what you were showing to him. I'm still amazed how simple the swing is when you think about it holistically as you mentioned. I usually just forget about my arms and concentrate more on making sure that after I've made the full shoulder turn to turn the hips and do the squat move and my arms magically fall into the slot. So cool.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Yes, unfortunately I couldn't hear him that well either.
October 25, 2020
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THOMAS
awesome lesson. Closer to the beginning of the lesson with the right-arm only swings starting with upper bicep connection to chest....I love the feel of keeping that bicep-to-chest connection with both hands on the club and gets me to a lower hands position at the top...everything feels better with the flexion at the top as well.....during the through swing it feels great all the way...and brushing the mat at the bottom the way I like to feel that as well....am I good with going full-time with that bicep-to-chest connection at address?
October 24, 2020
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Chuck
Yes it should be touching at setup as well. This helps the arms and body move more in sync to start the takeaway.
October 25, 2020
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