How to Hit a Wedge Shot | Penetrating Wedge Shots

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One of the biggest areas needing improvement in the typical amateur's golf game is how to hit flat, penetrating wedge shots that go the needed distance and stop on a dime. In this video, I discuss the three keys to hitting these crucial scoring shots so that you can get up and down more often from this critical yardage. In the photo below, you can see two of the keys being demonstrated in this 60* wedge shot.

  • Many amateurs struggle with wedge shots, losing distance because they hit them too high
  • There are three keys to solid, flat, penetrating wedge shots
  • Number 1 - Set up with the buttons on your shirt in front of the ball
  • Number 2 - Shorten up the backswing by putting most of your weight on the left foot
  • Number 3 - Make a controlled release that matches the shorter backswing

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Jamie
Hi, Ive been struggling with distance control. Would you ever suggest more a standard swing length (3/4) and choke down to take yardage off?
August 15, 2024
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jamie. You sure can choke down as use more a 3/4 or half length swing. In fact preferred versus altering swing excessively.
August 15, 2024
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gordon
I am a recent convert to the GOAT approach and would appreciate your guidance as to how to apply this to penetrating wedge shots. In particular how is length control achieved with the (new, GOAT-based) variables lateral weight shift, “throw” and release at impact rather than “turn speed”?
July 25, 2024
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Chuck
Hi Gordon, this really comes down to length of backswing and hand speed. With the shorter shots it's going to be a much more compact backswing with less hand speed at the bottom is the only difference.
July 25, 2024
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Ronald
Is the swing still powered by the core on the shorter shots or more arms?
May 20, 2024
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Chuck
In a lead side pattern, yes. In a trail side pattern, it's driven by the trail wrist.
May 21, 2024
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Dave
Does the swing plane for this shot follow a more straight back and through path? Or still an in to out swing path?
June 28, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. The path will still be in to out as you want to still keep it pretty shallow and not hit the over the topper gouging divots.
June 29, 2021
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Lee
Hi, after playing for years I'm finally learning about the bounce of the club. My question is should I only use the bounce for short shots over hazards or can I also use it for 30-100 yd pitch shots or do I go back to using the leading edge for those shots.
May 25, 2021
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
That's going to be completely dependent on the shot you are faced with and if you can use the bounce properly to control your distance with the longer shots. I personally do not like to use as much bounce as the shot gets longer because the ball tends to want to ride the face longer and the loft his harder for me to control the distance properly.
May 26, 2021
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Todd
Rotary swing has changed my game, I too tend to shank wedges especially the 30 yard shots
April 9, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Todd. Awesome. The shanked wedge is usually driving the trail hip straight towards the ball in transition, or the trail hand getting too active in the wrong way. I would check your tush line. Take a look at Maintain The Tush Line - Chair Drill.
April 12, 2021
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Amaury
Any advice for people who tend to shank this swing?
November 10, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Amaury. You may be moving too much and losing the tush line. Driving to hard with trail side into the strike.
November 10, 2020
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Amaury
Could be indeed. Thanks Craig.
November 10, 2020
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Elmir
Hi there, i have just started recently and notice that i am striking the ball better than ever for 7 iron or stronger clubs. when it comes to 8, definitely 9 and PW, i do not connect as well as stronger irons (funny that, as before my long irons sucked). should or can you use this same approach for wedge play with 9 and PW too? i feel i dont have enough shaft to rotate fully around my body and therefore dont make as good contact. What im really asking is, for a full shot on PW and 9 iron, is it exactly the same principles as the rest of the stronger irons?
August 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Elmir. You can use the same full swing principles on 9 and PW. This is for more of a flighted shot.
August 26, 2020
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Jim
Hi Craig, I've previously used a Dave Peltz method...ball mid stance, left foot turned out, 7.30, 9.00 or 10.30 swing depending on distance, quiet swing without power, follow through similar for each. Distance control good but a softer shot so not penetrating, doesn't do the quick stop after one bounce. With your method, how far back do you go for different distances. How do you judge distance?
July 20, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jim. Same thing. You are controlling your rotation. The more you rotate the further the arms swing. You can still keep the same analogy with the clock in mind. But, I gauge by how much a rotate.
July 21, 2020
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Kevin
I have been deadly accurate and crisp contact with this technique and have used it anytime I'm inside 135 yds from an 8 iron through my wedges. Its also a nice way to hit a knock down. Ive been keeping my weight left (what feels like zero weight shift). At the same time, when I make a full swing (shifting weight) I am getting some mixed results - hooking the driver, blocking or fat irons - toe contact. Based on the the last couple of live lessons - I think I need to start getting left sooner with my weight shift (start the downswing before completing the backswing) since with the wedge shots I'm eliminating the weight shift completely (along with keeping a closed clubface & a body release) and hitting it great. In short, I'm trying to understand why I hit it so good with this technique but struggle on the full swing with a two way miss.
July 13, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. This shot isn't for power. So, you aren't concerned with big dynamic movements and hard release of the club. The issue in the full swing is it's easy to start manipulating the club much sooner and more often with the arms/hands.
July 13, 2020
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Kyaw Thet
Hi, Do I require axis tilt at set up for this kind of shot? And, how should I start the backswing (do I still need to increase right leg pressure as I normally do)?
June 6, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kyaw. There will be a little axis tilt, but not much. You can trigger the swing with the legs. But, the goal is not to have a massive weight shift. You can use it to start, but don't have a big load shift back into your trail side.
June 6, 2020
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Kevin
I continue to find this video beneficial to really start scoring inside 120 yards. I have been setting up 60/40 with my weight and not feeling like I make any weight shift in the backswing and a full body release going through. Contact has been amazing and dead straight. So helpful on windy days too. Not sure if my lack of weight shift will end up causing issues but the last two rounds that feel has worked for me.
June 4, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. This isn't for power so you don't need a massive weight transfer, or release. This is more of a specialty type shot. You should be fine.
June 4, 2020
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Matthew
Hi Craig, Is it possible to play this shot with even 9-7 or any club potentially? For instance, if I normally hit my 7 iron 160 but on a particular approach I have a tight/demanding 145-150 yard shot to the green, is there anything wrong with playing this type of shot/setup with a 7. Much easier to be accurate and especially if there is wind, easier to keep low. I could even see hitting a driver like this on a short hole where I just want to be more accurate. Of course the longer the club I would probably have to adjust ball position. Maybe there is a reason not to take this too far that I am not aware of.
February 9, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matthew. Yes, you can play this with other shorter irons. With a driver it will be a little tough. It will tend to make you over work body rotation to help square the club face which can lead to injury. I would keep this with shorter clubs and try to keep most stock shots with a proper release.
February 9, 2020
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Matthew
Hi Craig, Is it ok to start with the club face slightly closed to pre set this instead of having to rotate it closed on the takeaway? Seems easier to just start this way then dynamically have to make a different move during the swing to close the face.
January 29, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matthew. Ideally, you wouldn't preset the face because how much is enough? When allowing for an earlier wrist set and the trail wrist to hinging back on itself it will easily close the face a little.
January 29, 2020
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Matthew
Hi Craig, So for these types of wedge shots, you want to have an earlier wrist set/wrist hinge on the backswing? If so, how much and when?
January 29, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matthew. It's not necessarily an earlier wrist set like a pitch. But, the trail wrist will stay a little more on top as the wrists start to set to keep it closed.
January 29, 2020
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Matthew
Ok awesome. I’ll submit a video on this at some point to check that I’ve got it right. But I actually feel pretty comfortable with this type of shot. Sometimes I get a bad pull with it though.
January 29, 2020
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Matthew
Hi Craig, can I submit video reviews to work on pitching?
January 12, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matthew. You can submit whatever you would like. The reviews are for you!
January 12, 2020
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gordon
The penetrating wedge shot (PWS) uses club delofting and a steep descending stroke. Right now our courses are wet and soggy, does this mean the PWS is unsuitable and if so what alternative or amendments would you propose to achieve the low penetrating flight so desirable when windy? Thanks in advance, Gordon.
December 29, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. I would make more of an abbreviated swing with a stronger club choked down. A stock shot will still have weight shift and face rotation which will help keep the strike/divot shallow. You don't want to start taking massive divots in soggy conditions. Take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section (low shots), so you can understand how to vary the flight better without needing to have a large descending blow.
December 30, 2019
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Kevin
Chuck appears to have a full release and club hinges up on the follow through - I was curious if firmer wrists and more of an abbreviated follow through would help flight the ball down for control?
September 28, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. Abbreviated follow through can help. I wouldn't firm up too much because you want the wrist to bow and not just try to hold.
September 29, 2019
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Mark
Hi just wanted to send a thank you to Craig. I went back to the driving range using the information in your responses and was hitting the shots a lot better. I am going to turn my focus back to the full swing now with the RST Boot Camp but I was really pleased with the results so far on these wedge shots. Thanks again.
September 13, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. You're most welcome. Glad to hear the positive results. Now, get to work on that backswing so you can be ready for Day 2 Live Session tomorrow.
September 13, 2019
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Mark
Hi, first of all, great site and wonderful content. I am new to RST, excited to learn more and very much looking forward to participating in the first boot camp. While waiting for that to begin, I have been working through the RST University Short Game Course, making careful notes and doing practice at the chipping green. I am pleased with the results thus far on the basic chipping and pitching but struggling with the next part of the series "100s yard and in" (the 30 to 90 yard low trajectory pitch) – hitting these quite fat. Since this is such an important shot scoring wise, I am hoping you won’t mind answering a few specific questions from that video - perhaps one of these will hint at why I am hitting it fat. • I am unclear on weight distribution. The video suggests starting with the weight only slightly left, a minimal shift to the right and then slight shift back to the left. However the bullet points on the corresponding slide sets out 4 keys and one of these is to start with the weight 80% left (typically with that kind of setup you would start the weight left and essentially keep it there). • I realize this is different from the normal RST technique but should I still think of it as a technique that is basically performed by the large muscles in a pulling type motion back and through? And is it mostly the upper body- ie, the obliques? An important part of this technique is the slight wrist break and slightly closed position going back and to me this means you can’t avoid activating the hands and arms somewhat. In the video Chuck appears to be looking mainly at his hands arms and wrists as he explains the backswing. • What should be my thoughts/feelings on the through swing. Is it mainly a turn through with the upper body as opposed to an RST type downswing? • Should there be a feeling of the arms connected to the chest? This is referred to as one of the 4 keys on the slide but is not mentioned in the video. • Finally, should I be thinking about keeping the arc more U shaped (less steep) to the extent possible- similar to what is discussed with the other videos for the chip and pitch? Or, since this is a lower driving shot with a ball position more back is it necessary a somewhat steep motion. To me, the shot psyches me out because the other videos talk about how if you expose the leading edge on shorter shots you “have to hit it perfect” or you will chunk it – which is what is happening with me. Many thanks!
September 10, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. About 70/30 weight distribution from lead to trail side. Unless you are doing a very short shot unnecessary to have 80% like impact. Some if of the slides haven't been updated with the newer mechanics geared towards science/body. I apologize. Yes, using the larger muscles pulling back and through. Minimal lower body and post. The face doesn't nee a ton of rotation back. You are still using shoulder rotation with minimal forearms. More of body release rotating the chest through versus arms/hands prototypical RST shot. You can feel the arms staying more connected, but not a requirement to glue them to the chest. The little bit of closed face going back will tend to make it a little steeper, but you are still rotating the body enough the keep is shallow as to not dig up the earth. You don't need to manipulate, or try to make steeper. Less face rotation back will do that for you and focus on quieter hands/more body release.
September 10, 2019
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Mark
Perfect! And is there a very small (slight) weight shift back and through?
September 10, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. Very little, but some movement.
September 10, 2019
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Mark
Sorry just one more....setup-wise the shirt buttons are more over the ball or ahead of the ball but is there still axis tilt?
September 10, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. Minor axis tilt to match the narrower stance and setup. Buttons a little more over the ball, but will tend to look further ahead the more the ball moves back.
September 10, 2019
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James
How much of the downswing comes from posting up with the ground versus simply rotation with the body pulling / rotating from the left side? Is this shot more a like a full shot using the ground and let glute?
July 26, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. There will be less emphasis on an aggressive post up versus a normal swing. You are still using the glute and legs. But, the post will be more subtle to allow more of a body rotational release with less power coming from legs/full forearm crossover.
July 26, 2019
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James
Thanks. Prior to a release, will the body stall after the post up like a full shot?
August 30, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. The body will be more the driving force for the release. If there is a major stall, then the arms and hands would be the primary driver. There won't be a quick deceleration of the body to force release of the arms and hands.
August 30, 2019
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David
Hi All, i would send a video but having tech problems so here goes. I have been told that my head can quite get ahead of the ball pre impact causing a block or a pull and i like most amateurs start the downswing with my shoulders, so i have been working on starting with my lower body and letting my arms fall. I am finding i am hitting it better than ever with the driver- up to 280-300 years on a links course- but i am having a tendency to chunk my shots from 100 yards and in. I almost feel that my upper body is falling backwards to compensate my above habit and the divot seems to be coming quite inside to out. Thanks
July 13, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. Sounds like you are trying to power the wedge. The wedge swing will be much quieter with not as an aggressive lower half coupled with more of a body release. It will tend to feel like the buttons lead ahead of the strike. Almost like your old swing, but not that dramatic. Remember, the closer you get to the green the less it is about power. Too aggressive with the lower half and big power release with the hands seem to be causing you a little fits.
July 13, 2019
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David
Craig thanks for the very fast reply. Just one thing, if the buttons lead the strike will that not mean i get ahead of the ball and block it?
July 14, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. They will be setup slightly ahead, but you aren't looking for a dramatic movement into impact. Since the shot doesn't have a big weight transfer and the swing will have a quieter release with a controlled backswing. You shouldn't struggle with the block unless you start sliding way passed the ball, or spinning the body excessively fast.
July 14, 2019
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Julie
Is a 80 yards good distance for a sand wedge? why do you pull shots? A lot of my wedge shots I pull to the left. Thank you.
June 26, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Julie. Distance is relative to swing speed. For some 80 yards would be a good distance. However, are you referring to stock wedge yardage, or the shot describe above. As well for the pull (stock or penetrating)?
June 26, 2019
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Julie
Stock.
June 26, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Julie. I would check that you aren't spinning your shoulders too much as you release for the pull. In speaking with you about the driver numbers the other day. Your yardage sounds correct. But, it will improve as the swing does.
June 26, 2019
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Julie
O.k. Thank you very much.
June 26, 2019
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Kevin
As I get ready to post this comment - I read a few other posts with the same issue. I am struggling as well with shanks or blocks right when I work on these shots and/or punch shots under trees etc. (BTW, Rotary Swing needs a punch shots video). Its been frustrating because I am hitting the driver so good now but missing my 100 yard wedge shots into the green and not lowering my handicap. It looks like I have an open face and may be coming in under the plane
June 10, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. Take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section to understand more about trajectory control. It looks like you are under plane, a little trail foot push and the lead wrist is retaining a lot of cupping. You need to learn how to bow the lead wrist and not push off the trail side. Take a look at the Knuckles Down Drill (then tone down how much you release the arms) and in the section I listed above to learn bowing the lead wrist.
June 10, 2019
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Jeffrey
With my 60 degree I find that I shank about 90% of these when practicing from 30-60 yards. The ball is not coming off of the hosel. I try to avoid coming too far inside, keeping more of a vertical swing but still have problems. Any good shots are pretty high and not penetrating. Any thoughts on helping me diagnose this?
May 24, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jeffrey. Is it more of a toe shank since it's not off the hosel?
May 24, 2019
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Jeffrey
Craig, I actually saw that many others have struggled with this as well. I am checking out the 'cure the shanks' video. Seems like I might be pushing too much...
May 24, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jeffrey. I think you are throwing your lower half into the strike (early extension) as you are trying to have more of a body release. Leading to lack of space and the shank.
May 24, 2019
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Jeffrey
I was definitely out of sync with my body and arms. I seem to have it under control again!
May 31, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jeffrey. Great. Glad it is worked out.
May 31, 2019
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Jeffrey
Not necessarily a toe shot. Sometimes when I slow it way down I can actually see it in the center of the face.
May 24, 2019
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Anthony
So if weight transfer is not recommended on these shots, where is the power coming from? Is he posting his left leg? I am seeing a big chest turn/body release, is this correct?
April 25, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Anthony. Not a lot of weight transfer will be had, so the power will be coming more from a little wrist leverage and rotation of the body. This shot isn't a power shot. More for controlled flight and dialed down distance. Yes, more of a body release.
April 25, 2019
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Tram
Can you explain about clubface close during backswing? When the club reach 9 o'clock, in full swing, shaft is parallel to the target line and the clubface points to the sky. But when Chuck talks about close clubface does he mean the clubface turns a little bit to the target line? Thank you very much.
April 3, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tram. The face isn't rotating as much as in a full swing. If we use a clock face and 12 o'clock is toe up in the takeaway. The toe will be more akin to 1, or 2 o'clock with the swing above. Less face rotation with the club staying slightly toed in.
April 3, 2019
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Tram
Thank. But need more clarification about clubface close. You said 1 or 2 o’clock, does the Clubface turns toward the target line or the opposite. I guess toward the target line. Thank you very much.
April 11, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tram. Towards the target line and slightly closed.
April 12, 2019
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Chad
Hello , to add to Toms comment, what about from 150 yards and in? more of a "body" release and less weight transfer(start with more on left side) ? Also, regardless of shot should I always have the same takeaway(turn back) with little arm movement or should there be more arms and less turn on shorter shots? chad
March 24, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Chad. The arm swing will be relatively shorter. You will need a little more turn and arms for the longer shot. But, the primary objective would be more rotation. If using this particular shot for 150 and in it would be more of a body release with less weight movement and less arms/hands crossover.
March 24, 2019
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Tom
A little more information on the motion used in this shot please - Understanding that we favor our weight towards our left side during the setup and the backswing. My question is; in the downswing do we still want to use the SOP transition move and posting of our left side to deliver the club to the ball? What does the "more of a body swing" mean in this context?
December 3, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. You will still have a slight weight transfer and post up. But, the post up won't be as aggressive to keep from putting too much spin on the ball. Same with more of a body swing. You are going to have quieter arms/hands. Therefore, it will feel more like you are body releasing (using the body to square the face) versus a fast crossover of your forearms.
December 3, 2018
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richard
my sand wedge is ballooning up short of green from 80 yards
November 6, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Richard. The ballooning effect is from adding loft into impact and the ball sliding up the face. Too much spin will yield higher flight and lack of carry. You must check that you are leading with the hands into impact and de-lofting the face to get more of a penetrating flight.
November 6, 2018
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Lawrence
Craig Hitting it high on both normal wedges and pitches. I was viewing video where you said that for more spin play the ball farther forward. If the ball is rolling up the face wouldn’t that promote a higher trajectory? Especially when you actually release the right hand skyward. Larry Green
September 8, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lawrence. Yes, playing it further forward can produce more spin. But, at the end of the day you still have to be aware of controlling the loft and lean. My suggestion since I know you have been struggling a little with the shot. Learn general low shots first. Go to the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section and get the feel for controlling your loft. Then, plug back into the wedge move.
September 8, 2018
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Lawrence
Dear Instuctor I am having difficulty hitting the pitches low. What would you suggest as Club face and or ball position. Larry Green
September 7, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Larry. Pitches, or fuller wedge shots?
September 8, 2018
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Arnie
Guys, I had been hitting a lot of shanks when trying this shot, and on short wedge shots in general. After viewing my swing, I'm sure the problem is that at contact my hips are not as open as on a full shot, and so I'm crowding the ball. This explains why it was more likely to happen the shorter a swing I was trying to take (for shorter distance shots): less opportunity to get the hips at least slightly open ahead of contact. I've tried setting up with my stance already open, which I found out is taught by a lot of pros. This seems to work, but I'm wondering if I should always set up square and just try to get into a hitting position with slightly open hips.
July 25, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Arnie. You may setup with the lead foot flared. That should help with the hips. But, it sounds like you are pushing the trail hip towards the ball. Take a look at the Chair Drill.
July 25, 2018
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Johnny
Hi Craig, I am really struggling with these penetrating wedge shots (and also bunker shots) because I don't know exactly which part of my body I need to move. For the main swing it's incredibly clear but for these shots it's vague (at least for me). What is the engine behind the backswing (other than taking the club back slight closed)? Do I still need core rotation, some elevation and some flexion (depending on the distance of the shot). For the downswing, do I still start with (a slight) weight shift to the left, initiated by external rotation of the left leg? If not, what starts the downswing? Is distance control managed by the BOTH the size of the backswing and putting the ball back in my stance or only ball position, as described by Chuck in this video. Please try to be as detailed as possible in your reply. I need the detail because these shots are killing my scores and I am determined to only do it the rotary swing way. I will continue to destroy my rounds until I get this right. Last weekend I missed the cut at my local club championship (for the first time ever) because I tried this shot and miserably bladed the ball in a bunker, where I once again messed up.
July 18, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Sorry to hear about the club championship. I feel your pain on missing a tournament cut by one. Was that the first time trying the move? Remember, when you play it's about score. Hone the techniques on the range until they are ready for go time. Yes, you still need core rotation. This is more of a body driven swing with controlled release. You are taking it back with pulling the trail shoulder leaving the club slightly closed. You will feel weight shift, but hardly any movement. You will still add elevation and flexion depending on the length of the backswing. You will use length and ball for distance. The amount of rotation, height and flexion going back. Also, the closer you get the more the ball will start to move back and lower the trajectory. There will be a slight bump in weight to start down like a normal swing, but only slight since you won't be shifting much weight because the requirements for the shot are different as is the stance width. Again, my condolences on the club championship.
July 18, 2018
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Johnny
Thanks for the quick reply. This was not the first time I have tried this shot. I have been practicing this a lot but have never mastered it because I was not sure of the exact body movements. It’s no problem that I missed the cut. It was a great learning moment and incentivized me to reach out for help. As long as I learn and get better, I’m a happy golfer. Thank again.
July 18, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. No problem. Happy to help. I just know the pain. Next time let's win the thing with a penetrating wedge!
July 18, 2018
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Lawrence
Craig My question is ball position on short irons. In the video chuck says that the ball should still be played forward in the stance. If trying to hit the ball and then divot with a wedge, you have to shift a lot so as not to hit it fat. When swing without a ball my club bottoms well behind the left instep. Do I play the ball back toward the center? Every other club is fine. Larry Green
July 9, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Larry. For all standard stock shots ball position should stay the same. Only the driver, short game, and specialty shots will it change. Sounds like you may have a late cast, or push near impact with the shorter clubs.
July 9, 2018
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Jarek
It almost looks like he’s set up slightly open, is that right? Or do we set up square? Also, you guys should get a slow motion version of this on the analysis page..... aaaaand also get some higher definition swings of chuck on the
July 2, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jarek. No need for the stance to be open. We have the new 9 to 3 updated high definition swing in the swing viewer. We are working to get some more available as well.
July 2, 2018
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gordon
Should the Angle of Attack be lower for this kind of shot, perhaps not taking a divot? Should there be no wrist action (cocking) on the backswing? Last but not least, should the amount of backswing be reduced so that little if any right arm bend takes place? Thanks in advance, Gordon.
June 30, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Yes, the AOA will be relatively shallower because you don't want to take a massive divot. The wrists will be quiet and the backswing will be reduced with minimal trail arm flexion. Think like a really big chip.
June 30, 2018
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Tom
Do you still have the same stance width on these shots? It looks like Chuck's is a bit narrow or is it the camera?
June 20, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Stance will tend to be a little narrower. About 2 and 1/2 club heads width apart.
June 20, 2018
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Lawrence
Craig On my shorter pitch shots I am having trouble getting a lower trajectory even with a closed face on the backswing. Shouldd I play the ball back Rutherford because you do stress to play the ball forward and still achieve a lower trajectory. Larry Green
June 14, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Larry. Ball is a little bit back in the stance with the buttons ahead. However, I would prefer not fixing the issue by getting it way back in the stance. You need to work on the feel of controlling trajectory with the lead wrist. Go to the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section and get the technique/feel of practice small low flighted shots.
June 14, 2018
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Lawrence
Craig Will d thanks
June 14, 2018
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Kenny
What about leaving the ball in the normal position rather than moving the ball back, and using a shorter backswing to maintain a higher trajectory? What about the same shot with a less lofted club?
June 1, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ken. You may certainly use the same shot with less loft. Launch will be even lower and distance a little further. You may also play the ball in a normal position and play more like a stock shot and shorter swing for higher trajectory.
June 1, 2018
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Kenny
Thank you for the advice. Taking the club back a little closed fixed a multitude of my short game sins. Who knew that a simple change like that could make such a big improvement?
June 11, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ken. Great. And, yes rolling the face too open is definitely a big item of why someones short game will suffer.
June 11, 2018
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Lawrence
Dear Sir When trying to use the bounce on shallow wedge shots, is it preferable to have a wedge with more bounce or less say reducing from 14to 10 . Larry Green
May 8, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lawerence. If you can use the proper technique. Better players would always prefer less bounce for the shallow wedge shot. Going from 14 to 10 will help. For a little bit of an extreme example. Chuck and myself have less than 3.
May 8, 2018
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Lawrence
Craig Thank you for the prompt reply. Back to the range!
May 8, 2018
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Stephen
Hi Craig, With this type of shot, this is what I do. - stance width and ball position is fine. I have 70% of my weight on my left side, with a small amount of axis tilt - i try to imagine taking the club back with my right shoulder, while keeping my right arm quite & cocking my left wrist early & left arm straight. - with the downswing should I be driving that with my left arm, or should both arms remain quite, allowing them to drop into the hitting area, with minimum hip rotation, then post up just before striking the ball to create more club head speed? As Im just not getting much consistency with the ball flight, distances and even direction. Getting a mixed bag. Any advice with how i should be moving my body and in what sequence and what muscles are being used to drive the swing. I know its a feel shot so i guess knowing what muscle does what and when will me feel the shot. Thanks alot
April 27, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Stephen. Agreed. Tough to teach a feel shot because of the subjectivity that will occur. I always like awareness, or the feel component staying in the lead arm/wrist. However, you will experience more of a passive arms feel (both quiet) in the transition. The lead arm/wrist will still help you gauge the amount of shaft lean. But, more of a body rotation square up the club versus full on release. You will feel the lead glute being stable/engaged, arms quiet, more of the torso/core (obliques/abs) working to help keep the handle ahead and square the face. Easy way to think about it Arms vs Body Release Video. You don't go full on dragging to the extreme in the video. But, leading with the body allowing less arm/hand release.
April 27, 2018
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Stephen
Hi Craig, Makes sense. So in summary, keep the weight on the left side, maintaining left glute activation throughout the whole swing. Arms are passive, with torso core and obliques controlling the swing. The object is to have shaft lean upon impact, shoulders square. Now are my hips open a touch at this point and do i post up just before ball contact? I understand this is a feeling and timing thing. Just what to understand the sequencing so I can go off and practice over the weekend. Cheers
April 27, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Stephen. You will feel both glutes engaged. But, the primary will be the lead. Yes, there will be a little post up. Just not as aggressive like a driver swing. You are on the right track.
April 27, 2018
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Wyatt
20 years ago I struggled with shanking, which for whatever reason no longer happens EXCEPT for these short pitch shots. My belief is that I open the club by fanning it on the way back, and on full shots I have time to release more fully so I don't shank. But that isn't the case with the short pitches as Quinton points out so I'll give his closed going back image a go. Is this a common issue? Thanks
April 6, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Wyatt. Fanning open the face on a short pitch can definitely lead to the dreaded right shot. I would also check that you aren't pushing your trail side into the ball too much into the strike (trail hip and arm).
April 6, 2018
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Anthony
Chuck refers to the ball as spinning and stopping. I have never been able to do that as it is clear I have never carried out this shot correctly. However, doesn't spinning the ball also have a relationship to the type of ball, sharpness of grooves and lie?
February 28, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Anthony. Yes, the amount of spin is also affected by ball, quality of grooves, AOA, lie, etc. Nevertheless, with proper technique even with those factors listed above being limited. You can still impart some spin on the ball.
February 28, 2018
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GEORGE
How wide should be my stance when setting up for a pitch shot. If I am to estimate based on the video it looks to be about two club heads distance between the feet?
February 12, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello George. For a pitch shot the stance will be 2 1/2 club head widths.
February 13, 2018
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Ronald
In the video Chuck says to take the club back a little more closed than usual. There are several ways I can imagine doing this so can you please tell me which way you recommend? Thanks.
February 2, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ronald. Chuck's post below, "to keep the club face a little more closed I hinge the right wrist more than I rotate it going back and that will close it plenty."
February 2, 2018
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Brian
Craig, especially in pitch shots my left knee dips and I tend to end up diving towards the ball leading to skulled and or fat shot. It feels like I am diving down when I should be posting up. Am I using my legs too much and just concentrate on top half rotating over a stable bottom half? Many thanks Brian
January 14, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Brian. Sounds like you could be adding a little trail side push leading to overuse of the legs. Sliding ahead and then trying to make adjustments. Try a quiet a little bit of your push and leg motion.
January 14, 2018
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Brian
Many thanks Craig
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Anthony
A similar question asked on another video and below but I need to be clear. In these type of shots it is a toned down full swing ie. the club is moved by rotation of the core and pull by the left hand side. It is clear to me that when pitching with my 'old' swing, again right side dominant all shoulders and arms. I suspect that the reason I have always hit so far behind the ball in bunkers is because of right side dominance with no rotation but plenty of casting. Would I be correct?
December 28, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Anthony. Yes, that would be a big reason you hit it far behind the ball. Also, you are still using and focusing on the lead side with a slightly quieter rotation of the hands and arms.
December 28, 2017
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Tyler (Certified RST Instructor)
So I've learned to hit this and i love playing it. I like to be able to hit all different types of shots though. Say I want to take my 56 degree (which i hit about 100-105) and hit it about 75. So more like a 3/4 swing and a little higher rather than penetrating so it lands soft. Whats the RST method for hitting different types of half wedge shots like that?
December 18, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tyler. Glad you like the shot type above. Hitting a smaller wedge, but with a normal flight the same principles of rotation will factor. Normal swing and setup. Judge how far you rotate to tighten up the distance. If you want really high you will have to adjust lead wrist into the strike.
December 18, 2017
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Frank
Does the normal squat to square and club lag apply on full wedges or is it toned down some?
December 10, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Frank. For a stock full wedge swing it will still apply. But, the more you start getting into short game shots and even the penetrating wedge shot above. The focus shouldn't be on trying to have tons of lag.
December 11, 2017
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martin
Good and very important video regarding the 100 yards and in scene. RST has helped immensely with distance, consistency and body stress. However, I am struggling with the 40 to 90 yard shots. Either hitting very fat or shanking off to the right. It was never a problem before. Full wedge shots don't seem to be an issue since I'm using the same swing. The problems start with my 54. Basically as soon as I don't have to make the full shoulder glide back. The fat shots are probably caused by weight on back foot and too much right side. But the clubface is also clearly too open at impact. Chuck mentions that the club needs to be kept more closed going back. Earlier in this thread he mentions he hinges the right wrist more going back. Just want to make sure I am understanding what a hinge is because i don't want to confuse it with cocking of the wrists. Basically I am not getting it for these very important 40 to 80 yard shots. Thanks in advance.
October 23, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Martin. Take a look at Using the Wrists Effectively and Efficiently to understand wrists nomenclature and movement. The hinge will seem a little back on itself (Right Wrist in the Takeaway Video) just not that dramatic. Also, it really sounds like a lot of early shoulder spin in your transition hurting you. Great to hear we have helped improve your game.
October 23, 2017
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martin
Thanks Craig. I will take a look at the wrist hinge nomenclature. Another quick question. The philosophy of this particular video talks about low penetrating shots the closer you get to the hole. Which I understand. But want to make sure I am clear on something. How does this apply where the hole is close to the edge of the green..i.e. not much green to work with.. Is the idea to still drop the ball short of the green and have it roll up? I'm talking about something in the 40 to 90 yard range here. Thanks in advance
October 24, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Martin. You may drop it short of the green and have it roll up, or use some spin. The better you get at the above shot you will start to gain more compression and better spin on the ball. You might be surprised how well you can start to have the "2 hop, stop" shot on the green.
October 24, 2017
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gordon
When using an opened face, e.g. bunker, I believe the club should be opened then gripped. For shots with forward shaft lean, e.g. chips, penetrating wedge shots, is the same true, lean then grip, or should the grip be as usual, then the hands simply leaned forward? There is a significant difference in „feel“ between these options, but I am unclear as to which is the advised approach. Thanks and regards, Gordon.
October 14, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. When opening the club definitely open the club first and then grip. Typically, you may take you normal grip with the chip, etc. and add the amount of lean.
October 14, 2017
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gordon
Thankyou Craig for that clarification. I have a follow-on for you. The amount of forward shaft lean is a useful variable when chipping and seems to be not too critical due to the short backswing. With the penetrating wedge shot, however, the backswing is larger and therefore I think there are stricter limits on the amount of delofting. What is your advice regarding the typical and maximum levels of forward shaft lean for penetrating wedge shots? Best regards, Gordon.
October 15, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. The amount is up to you. The more bow and lean you add the more de-lofting of the club. You might start to hit some really low shots, but lose the ability to get enough carry/power out of the shot. Players practice variable amounts to see what works best for them in given conditions and what type of flight/carry they are looking for.
October 15, 2017
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Steven
I am still a bit confused. if you are taking a full swing with a wedge it is still the normal RST setup? I have been having trouble applying RST to full wedge shots.
October 12, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Steven. A normal full swing wedge is RST standard protocol. This is for a lower flighted wedge.
October 12, 2017
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Steven
How low is low? If I'm 50 yard out what altitude should a properly stuck shot have
August 10, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Steven. All depends on club, swing and what height you want. How aggressive or, non-aggressive you are. Roughly estimating from about 50 yards out it should be about 1/2 to a 1/3 of your normal ball flight with the club you are using.
August 10, 2017
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Douglas
Had a question about wedge selection. In the video he is hitting a 60 degree on a full swing about 90 yards. On a 90 yard shot, how would I select between a full swing at 60 or a reduced swing on a 56 or 50?
July 18, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Douglas. All depends on what ball flight and spin you are trying to achieve. Obviously, it will be easier to flight the ball lower with your 56 or 50 due to less loft. But, the fuller one with the 60 may allow you to get more spin.
July 18, 2017
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Will
Any tips for distance control with this type of shot? In this video Chuck seems to have a similar length back swing and through swing for both the 60 and 30 yd shots, with the 30 yd shot being a less aggressive swing. Am I right to assume that the primary tool for distance control is how hard to swing - that seems to add unwanted variables. Thanks in advance for helping me with my most difficult shots!
July 15, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Will. Length and pace of swing can be the focus. It's a move that takes practice and is determined some by the comfort of the player. You can easily work on shorter swings 1/2 and 3/4 with the same pace measuring the distance. To use length of swing as the determining factor. Or, play around with lengths that are relatively close and be more aggressive. More players tend to try and keep the same pace, but take note of their different lengths.
July 15, 2017
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Tom
Thanks for the updated video. It has really helped my approach shots. I would appreciate confirmation of whether we want to have axis-tilt at address for these shots. Again, thank you.
May 30, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Glad you like the updated video. Yes, there will still be axis tilt.
May 30, 2017
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T David
Here Chuck plays the ball more back in the stance with a 60 degree wedge to deloft the club. Is there any reason why we wouldn't want to use a standard swing with say an A wedge for this shot?
May 23, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. You may try the same with an A wedge if you are looking for the same characteristics. A full A Wedge will be normal. But, if you are looking for more of a flighted down shot. Slightly behind.
May 23, 2017
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gordon
Thanks for this excellently reworked video of the Penetrating Wedge Shot (PWS), in which Chuck using this for 60 and 30 yards with his 60 degree wedge. With that club he also demonstrates a full swing, going 90 yards. Is it correct to assume that the PWS is suitable for similar distance ratios (2/3 to 1/3) when using other clubs? Regards, Gordon.
May 20, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. It should be pretty close to that ratio.
May 20, 2017
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Michael
When moving the ball posiotions backwards, do I keep face pointed to the target or let it sit a bit open? I feel like in order for me to point the club face at the target I'll have to close and lean the club a bit more than neutral or is that what we are aiming for hitting these shots?
May 11, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. No need to open the club face as the ball moves back. If you are feeling that you my be overdoing your arms when releasing the club. It will tend to be more body oriented leading to less face rotation.
May 11, 2017
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Martyn
I'm so happy to see this video! Starting to hit driver and long/mid irons way better thanks to RST, but really throwing away points from 100 yds in. Can you explain ... how do you keep the club face more closed on takeaway? Also, is this kind of a more "armsy " shot than normal RST shot? Is that a good way to describe how it feels? Finally, weight. In the vid u say weight slightly more on left side, in notes it says much more. Again, what should the 'feeling' be like?
May 9, 2017
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Chuck
Hi Martyn, to keep the club face a little more closed I hinge the right wrist more than I rotate it going back and that will close it plenty. The feel of this shot is LESS armsy, the closer you get to the green, the more body oriented the shot will become. As for weight, there's no hard and fast rule here because we don't need a lot of momentum, so I stay around 60-70% left.
May 10, 2017
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Martyn
Thanks Chuck!
May 11, 2017
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John
Thanks for updating this video. This is super helpful info & an area I never truly understood.
May 9, 2017
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Chuck
You're welcome!
May 9, 2017
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Ronald
Is there a full video on just impacting the wedge spin, with camera views of the ball check on the green?
May 9, 2017
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Chuck
Closest thing I have to this is in the more short game shots closer to the grin on hitting spinning wedge shots.
May 9, 2017
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Don
Great video 1. Do you take a more neutral "finesse grip" or the standard grip for full swing? 2. Where are the hands relative to the ball with the three ball positions.
May 9, 2017
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Chuck
Grip stays the same but you can weaken slightly if you prefer - I don't care for that as it tends to require a bit more release to square the face and I'm trying to eliminate timing here. Hands will move slightly in front as the ball moves back.
May 9, 2017
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T David
I have started refocusing my wedge play. Question here between this video and ClayBallard's video on the Perfect Pitch Technique... They seem to be different with the ball placement, Chuck has the ball slightly back in the stance, where Clay's position is slightly forward in the stance. Are we using each of these in a different playing situation? How do I know when to execute one shot technique over the other? Thanks in advance for your help and direction.
April 22, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. The pitch is similar to this move. However, Chuck didn't move the ball back. He more or less has the weight 70/30 lead to trail foot with weight balance. Normal ball, but setting the buttons ahead. He is slightly stacked over and ahead. He didn't just place the ball off the trail foot. This is for more a fuller shot requiring some distance and lower trajectory. The pitch will be from a much shorter distance.
April 22, 2017
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T David
Thanks, Craig. I am thinking that the view was a bit back in the stance on the last shot. I am guessing it may be the video recording. It seems like the video is a bit collapsed making Chuck appear really thin on the video.
April 23, 2017
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Diarmuid
I'm a bit confused with all the chip and pitch shots, but what if u we're attacking a pin with a 9, 8 iron or a wedge, is that just a regular swing full swing? The pros hold of thier finish most of the time.
April 9, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Diarmuid. It all depends on the type of shot. You may preform the move above with a 9 or 8 iron to have a little more control. Most of the time (even though it looks held off) 9, 8, etc. are full swing shots.
April 10, 2017
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Daniel
i like this technique but i struggle with pulling my wedges, any recommended solution or videos to look at. Thanks Dan
April 1, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Daniel. You might be getting slightly out to in because you already start with a little weight on the lead side. It is easy to rush the transition. Make sure you still have one (transition) too keep from getting steep.
April 2, 2017
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David
Hi Craig, One thing which seem's to happen very consistently with wedge shot's and all normal short iron shot's is that I will pull the ball left. I suspect this is probably due to flipping at impact as the shot's are also high. Any thought's much appreciated.
March 22, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. Sounds like a trail side push move (trail shoulder pushing and trail hand flipping under). I would take a look at the Master Golf Chipping Stroke Video to see on a smaller scale what you are doing at impact to cause the height and directional problem.
March 22, 2017
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Terry
Nevermind. I found it.
March 27, 2017
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Terry
Craig, I can't find the video you referenced. What is the actual name?
March 27, 2017
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David
Hi Craig, What is the difference between the trademark wedge shot above and a 'full' wedge shot (which I assume is a normal full swing) and where would you use them?
March 14, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. The above shot is better for poorer conditions. When there is wind and other elements to deal with. More on dialing down a specific spot/target without the need of trying to hit a full yardage shot. Full wedge is when you need all the yardage and the conditions are ideal.
March 14, 2017
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Zacky
I love this video, I've always wondered how the tour players hits a wedge so far!
February 8, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks Zacky.
February 9, 2017
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Michael
is there a video on a standard pitch shot? Thank you
January 31, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. Perfect Pitch Shot Setup and Perfect Pitch Shot Technique Video.
January 31, 2017
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Martyn
I'm baffled as to what combination of wedges I should have in my bag. I've got a pitching wedge (46%?), a 50 degree, a 54 and a 58. And how do you decide what bounce you want on each one? I have a PhD .. (though not in science I admit, I was terrible at that at school)... but I can't get my head around this. I want to be able to look at a pitch shot and think, ok, I need to use x wedge with y bounce so that I feel confident standing over the ball. Can you help me understand this dark art?
January 23, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Martyn. Don't get caught up too much in the bounce. It all depends on how shallow or steep your swing is. The typical notion with bounce is to carry a low, standard, and high. To help for any situation. Take my bag: 60 degree (3 bounce), 56 (8), 51 (12). The combination of wedges is at the players discretion. You need to figure out what is comfortable for you. The reason I don't carry a 54 degree is I have no use for the club. I found often that I would only use it for half shots. Measure your distances. Find a combo that you can use for full shots and be comfortable. But, thats give you the versatility to dial it down. If you go out and measure your yardages. Make sure there is some separation and one isn't too close to another. Once you know your numbers you can layup to the proper number on certain holes and be comfortable to have your full swing wedge into the green versus playing a guessing game.
January 24, 2017
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David
Why is it that i can hit pretty good shots on the range but can't repeat this on the course? It is Saturday morning golf, but it isn't high intensity.
January 21, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. When going to the course most people struggle with the constant changing or targets and steering. instead of letting the swing dictate the shot you feel the need to add more control. I would practice a little more like the course. Change the targets often and focus hard on getting the proper setup trusting the swing to create the shot not steering the flight.
January 22, 2017
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Douglas
I'm trying to understand why I would want to hit a 60 degree wedge 85 yards? In this technique, you're delofting the club, so why not use a different club? And then the other question is, when would you use a "stock" shot with 60 that flies high?
December 21, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Douglas. It allows you to be more aggressive through the strike. To hit a wedge through the wind, but have the ability to still be able to spin it on the green. Most wedge shots end up short because overly spun shots lift higher in the wind. Therefore, staying short of target. This allows you to still fly the wedge there and stop the ball in a windy circumstance. Using another club will still help you fly through the wind. But, it will have much less grab on the green. Little to no wind or ideal weather conditions hitting a stock or high wedge is fine. But, the higher you fly it. The more you are giving control to the elements.
December 21, 2016
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Douglas
Thanks!
December 21, 2016
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gordon
Would you tecommend this shot for use in a fairway bunker, or do the delofted club and steep angle of attack make it unsuitable? Regards, Gordon.
December 19, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. The quiet lower body would be good for the bunker. But, the de-lofted club and sharper angle would make it a little tough.
December 19, 2016
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T David
On the backswing with this shot, do I want use the right shoulder and torso to bring the club back? And then, is the downswing initiated with the left side as in the full swing? Which muscles should be firing at this point? If the weight is 70% forward, then the only downswing element left to complete the downswing is left side torso to pull the club down to impact. Thanks in advance for your clarification.
November 27, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. Yes, you will still use the trail shoulder and torso to complete the backswing. Also, the downswing is dominated by the lead side. You will feel a little settle in to the lead side. Not a massive shift because the weight is already planted there. It is still from the ground up without the big pelvic movement from a normal shot. It will feel primarily torso with quiet arms.
November 27, 2016
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David
How do you stop coming out of the shot on a 60 to 80 yard shot? I hit too many bladed shots which go low and to the right.
October 29, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. It sounds like you are firing the body too hard. Make sure your head and chest stay down through the release. The release is a little quieter in a penetrating wedge shot. But, if you take a look at Fix Your Release. Work on the drills to keep the chest from spinning open too much through impact.
October 31, 2016
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Rod
Can I us this technique with all my irons? An 85 yard shot with a 60 deg wedge would translate into 120 yd pitching wedge. That would be 20% further than I hit my pitching wedge now.
September 21, 2016
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Micah (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Rod, I would suggest only using this shot with your wedges. This is designed to use the high loft, ultimately delofting the club, to hit the ball with a lawn dart trajectory with a lot of spin, having the ball check up quick and stick on a down sloped green. A lower lofted club is already going to have a lower trajectory so you need axis tilt and left of center ball position to get the ball in the air. A pitching wedge is about as low as you should go.
September 21, 2016
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Craig
This technique finally got me to feel the proper right hand release and really helps compress the ball for further distance. However the divots are really deep and that hurts the distance. How can you shallow out the swing a bit so you are not sticking the club in the ground?
September 17, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Craig. You might have just a little shoulder spin in the beginning. Don't rush the transition. It can be a little dicey since there isn't a big weight transfer. But, smooth out the transition and still stay lead side dominant.
September 19, 2016
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Gareth
I'm struggling with my wedges been hitting them fat a lot especially out of the rough. In this video I'm assuming it's an older one Chuck says move the ball back in your stance but in other videos he says have it in the same position under your left ear? What should I do and does it change if your in the rough vs fairway?
August 26, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gareth. This is for a low flight shot. You might struggle with the rough because you need to get it up quickly and out of trouble. Fairway you will play it a little further back and with the buttons slightly ahead. For stock or rough you will be more off the lead ear.
August 29, 2016
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Juan
Hello, I saw where you mentioned that the placard on the shirt should move toward the target but then you followed up saying that you would explain it better in a moment. I watched but did not see you mention it again. Can you please how the axis tilt should be at impact?
August 14, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Juan. You are trying to not increase your secondary axis tilt into impact. Your axis tilt should feel the same as setup (or even less) and not increase.
August 15, 2016
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Mitchell
Hello, the video is a 4x3 resolution so it's hard to see the stance width. Should you use the setup for the perfect pitch which I believe was two wedge lengths? Also are we still using the shoulder glide to pull the club back ? So far this has resulted in 60 yard shots with a 58 degree loft with a 9'clock swing. In order to get to 80 yards it requires a really hard swing and a lot of shanks and bladed shots. This shot also has no release and sticks or rolls back which I guess is the purpose.
August 10, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mitchell. Yes, pitch shot distance and you are using the shoulder blade glide similar to the stock golf swing. This shot will tend to stick without a lot of roll out. That sounds about stock distance for a lob wedge. You will either need to make the swing more 3/4 in length or decrease the loft.
August 10, 2016
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Michael
How much do the hips turn on 40 to 70 yard pitch shots? When you say that mistakes are made by spinning is that from rotatING hips too much? Do the hips or knees stay complete stable on chips....meaning only upper body turns?
August 6, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mike. Yes, mistakes will be made by spinning or trying to over rotate the hips. The lower half will be stable to support the upper half through the strike. The hips will still rotate the normal amount, but you have to make sure they aren't too aggressive. Take a look at the Perfect Pitch Shot Technique for smaller maybe up to 40 yard shots. Also, for chips take a look at How to Chip in Golf.
August 6, 2016
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Adam
I am confused about these wedge shots and weight transfer. If weight remains on the left side, what initiates the downswing? With full swings I know it is shifting of the lower body to the left. With these shots I'm not sure what's initiating the downswing since there isn't supposed to be weight transfer to the right then back to the left.
August 1, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Adam. The weight will primarily stay on the lead side (about 70-30). You will feel a little increase in pressure or weight shift to initiate the downswing, but not very much (about 10-15% more).
August 2, 2016
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Eric
Hi Craig- Do the 5 keys still apply for a wedge shot? Is it still driven by the lower body and core? Is there still a weight transfer that biased to the lead leg? E.g., 70-30, 50-50, 70-30? Or something like that?
August 6, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. The wedge shot above will have the same keys, but some minor tweaks. The weight will tend to be placed on the lead side at setup with minimal transfer necessary to start the downswing. You start about (70-30 with 70 being on the lead). No need to have the weight transfer back to the trail leg, but just a slight press of the lead to get that extra bit and initiate the down move.
August 6, 2016
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Ron
I have had a tendency to shank a number or these 40 yard pitches or hit them to the right about 40 degrees? I struggle with tempo and the urge to hit the ball versus just rotating the body through and getting enough speed for the distance. Any advice?
July 1, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ron. Take a look at Perfect Pitch Shot Technique and Setup for the shorter range pitch as you are describing. The motion above is for more of a longer shot. Make sure the weight stays a little more stable and the shank is more than likely coming from trail shoulder push. Still pull with the lead side and allow the trail to follow. Not the trail shoulder being the dominate move in the downswing.
July 2, 2016
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Michael
Hi, I tend to hook this shot a little, not a small draw, but distance and ball flight are good. How do I keep it more on line. Thank you for your help. Mike
June 13, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mike. Make sure you don't spin the shoulders open into impact. Step 2 of the RST 5 Step System. You aren't transferring your weight like in the drill. But, get to impact with chest/shoulders square.
June 13, 2016
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Michael
Thank you, Craig, I will focus on that. Will same thought help my full swing too (I tend to hook a few there with irons as well) ?
June 13, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. Step 2 will definitely help with the full swing move.
June 14, 2016
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Lance
After re-studying this video, please clarify proper stance width for this shot. Chuck's stance appears narrower than the 2inches outside nja. Also as a rule will this approach always add distance to a club if I use it with my other wedges pw, gw, sw when compared to a stock shot setup with those clubs? Is distance control with this shot mainly a function of shoulder turn / backswing? If I want to hit a 60 yard shot instead of 85 yards please explain how to do this properly. I am finding a convergence in distance using the chipping video setup farther and farther from the green to about 45 yards and then switching to this video setup for longer shots (50-90 yards). Is this the ideal way/approach to manage distance? Thank you.
June 10, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lance. The stance will be about 2 1/2 club head widths apart, or roughly NJA. Being 2 inches outside of NJA would allow for more movement and weight transfer which you are trying to shy away from here. The extra weight transfer would lead to more distance as in a fuller shot. Yes, shoulder turn and backswing is more the distance controller here. You have to practice to figure out your yardage. Different lengths and pace will yield different results on a per player basis. Your distance convergence from pitch to 50-90 yards would be about ideal for this stroke.
June 10, 2016
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Mark
I was ok for a while with this shot but recently have begun to shank it when using it. I mean 20 in a row! I am setting up with the ball behind the buttons, weight a little more on the left side than normal and making a short swing with a small weight shift. CLANK! CLANKITY CLANK ETC ETC.... If I play the ball and just take a normal swing it goes ok. It is pretty tough to hit it close on the course after hitting a bunch of pitch outs!
June 3, 2016
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Can you send us some examples of these shots through the swing review system so we can take a close look and offer some guidance on it? Just make sure if you do, you let us instructors know that you are working on this shot and what problems you are experiencing.
June 3, 2016
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Greg
When I set up as Chuck suggests, I tend to get too right side dominant. This leads to digging, topping or shanks. Any suggestions?
May 30, 2016
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Take the right arm off the club and feel the lead arm swinging tension free and rotating, also make sure the left thumb is not pushing on the shaft. Make sure the club is bottoming out properly and rotating and then try adding the right hand lightly back to the club slowly. If this does not help, then check out the cure the shanks video.
May 31, 2016
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Seth
I was playing this weekend and was struggling with a couple fairways that was severely up sloped. Would there be an adjustment here, like in the stock full swing?
May 16, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Seth. Take a look in the Specialty Shot Section Uphill Lies.
May 16, 2016
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Lance
In the pws setup is there any axis tilt?
April 28, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lance. Yes. You don't need to add extra tilt though like you would a driver.
April 28, 2016
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gordon
One of my bad habits is right side dominance, with the right hand, arm and shoulder taking the lead in the downswing. For full shots I understand that the transition to downswing should be initiated by shifting the lower body, hips (and perhaps left knee too?). What should be the initiator in the more restricted swing used in the Penetrating Wedge Shot? Similarly how should I be "feeling" the start of the downswing with chips and pitches? Is the lower back active first, or should the hips start the process, here with a turn rather than a lateral shift? I have fully taken on board the RTS approach regarding pull being better than push. Your guidance on these points would be much appreciated. Thanks, Gordon.
April 20, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. The weight shift will still be the initiator in this shot. Even though some weight is already on the lead side. You will feel like a baby shift. A touch to help with change of momentum. Very little lateral movement and some torso pull to move the hips a little rotationally. Pitches will be a similar feel. Chips will feel more torso and lead lat pull.
April 20, 2016
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gordon
Thankyou Craig. Could you clarify the difference between pitch and chip downswing initiation for me, I realise it is very "touchy feely" but info from an expert can prevent my wandering down a blind alley! Incidentally I think I saw somewhere in an RTS video that Clay Ballard mentioned the benefit of lag even with short swings as in chips. Is that just for the advanced, or should it be incorporated at all levels? Regards, Gordon.
April 21, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Pitches will be similar to the penetrator feel wise with initiation. You will still start with a little momentum of shift. But, instead of a big pelvic move you are only moving about 10% of your weight and pivoting around the lead hip socket. There will be a little lag and more wrist in the pitch. Lag as in change of direction, not a massive down cock. Chips have very little wrist or wrist set. More of a bowing/forward shaft lean strike. Very little lag. You will tend to not feel much of a weight transfer to start and will feel more like pulling from the lead oblique and lat.
April 21, 2016
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Arnie
Craig, Like Scott, I also frequently sh--k these shots. Based on video, here's what I think is happening: because the swing is very compact, and because of the setup, my hips don't have a chance to clear. As a result, the extra arm-and-club reach that you normally get on the down swing doesn't have anywhere to go. Hence, I'm crowding that ball at impact and end up hitting on the hosel, or very close. what would you recommend?
April 15, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Arnie. You don't want to restrict the hips from moving. Even though the move is more compact and with quieter lower body motion. You still want things to be free. I would check your Tush Line (Chair Drill) and allow for the hips to move as consequence of natural motion. Don't lock them out.
April 15, 2016
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Roderick
Is this setup and execution apropos for all "full" wedge shots including pitching wedge?
April 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roderick. You may use this with any lower club you like. But, the full shot will be normal setup. This is more of a specialty shot requiring adjustments.
April 7, 2016
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gordon
I would appreciate your guidance on setting up for this shot. Is axis tilt required? What is the preferred ball position with regard to the ankles? What is the preferred head position with regard to the ball? Thanks in advance, Gordon.
March 26, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Your trail hand will be lower on the club. But, you don't want to add any more axis tilt than would naturally be there. The ball will be placed behind center, but still in front of the trail foot. The buttons on the shirt will be ahead of the ball. But, with the natural tilt of right hand lower the head won't be too far in front. More around the nose/lead eye position.
March 26, 2016
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gordon
Many thanks for these clarifications Craig. I have just rewatched the video for the n'th time and noticed something which I had not registered before. The mantra shirt buttons in front of the ball seems to refer to the line drawn down from the shirt buttons (made evident at one brief point in the video) which means that the buttons themselves are not as far forward as I was thinking, is that correct? I also have a sneaking suspicion that execution of this shot involves going very close to a reverse pivot, which is one of my "genetic" problem issues
March 27, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Yes, they aren't exaggerated forward of the ball. Only ahead of it. Not necessarily a reverse pivot because you won't be changing tilt and/or having opposite weight transition. But, if you have struggled with the reverse pivot in the past. Make sure you execute the shot as laid out. Don't try a fall back through the shot trying to help it.
March 27, 2016
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Shlok
Is the lower body quiet throughout the swing? Like a chip?
March 21, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Shlok. Yes, the lower body will stay relatively quiet like a chip. You don't want to overly restrict movement. Keep it stable, but relaxed.
March 21, 2016
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Shlok
But there will be no active movement of the lower body? So I do not actively try to 'clear'? All movement is a consequence of the upper body motion? Am I right?
March 21, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Shlok. Yes. Weight transfer will be at a minimum. More of a consequence of upper body motion.
March 22, 2016
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Scott
I want to achieve this style of wedge play. So far, I have done nothing but sh--k the ball or blade it. Is Chuck stance a little opened at all? Is there a little weight shift back where his buttons on his shirt get behind the ball or does he keep 70% of his weight on his lead foot? Does the club face stay shut on the back-swing?
March 15, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Scott. If you are shanking it more than likely you are just spinning the body too much. Chuck's stance is square. The weight will stay mostly on the lead side. The club will still rotate back a little, but with less emphasis on a lot of face rotation and a quieter (more compact) move that should match the follow through.
March 15, 2016
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Bob
Hi, I find it difficult to achieve forward shaft lean without a wrist break on the back swing. The advise is to have less wrist break. Is there a technique to achieving forward lean at impact without the wrist break. Thanks Bob
March 14, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Bob. You can have a little hinge or set. But, you want the hands to stay as quiet as possible. With quieter hands the body will use a little more rotation (body) to square the face, than full on releasing. Helping to keep the flight and spin down.
March 14, 2016
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David
Hi Craig, Some question's on spin if you can help broaden my understanding. My current understing is that the requirement's to maximise spin or friction on the ball are 1. a more lofted club 2. club head speed 3. a ball which is receptive 4. good grooves on club face. My confusion then is when we talk about the need to compress wedge shot's which would effectively reduce spin and yet these are the shot's that spin back on the green? We also talk about spin on pitch shot's but I guess this is more for control on the green's rather than zip back on the green? On an associated topic I don't understand how a de-lofted club (wedge) can be manipulated to produce a thin divot - can this be done without digging a trench?
March 13, 2016
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi David, there are other factors that attribute to spine. Angle of attack, path, club face to path, close rotation of the face (degrees per second), smash factor etc. Spin rates need to be controlled. Spin rates can get way to high and and yes that would spin on the greens, but would get eaten up on distance. Even by decreasing spin, you can still get the ball to stop of the green with the other factors in place. The shallow out a de-lofted club, you will need the wrist to still be rotating, some secondary axis tilt and proper clearing of the hips.
March 14, 2016
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Kyle
As with chipping , do I think of rotating my upper body using my right scapula turning inward ?..or just think of rotating my upper body around my spine
March 6, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kyle. The pulling of the scapula will be used anytime you are trying to create shoulder rotation around the spine properly.
March 6, 2016
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Kyle
Thx
March 7, 2016
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David
Hi, Can you give me a broad idea on choosing a chip/pitch or wedge shot. My current understanding is....a chip (or bump and run) can be used both around the green to roll and run out on the green and also for longer distances up to say 100 yds where the terrain leading up to the green favours a roll - all clubs can be used from wedge to 3 wood depending on the nature of the shot. A pitch is used to get elevation around the green (over bunker's etc) - up to say 30 yds with lofted club's for elevation and adding spin for control. A wedge is used for penetrating shot's in full, 3/4 or 1/2 swing variants from 30 - 120 yds depending on ability with (say) 50 to 60 degree wedges. I have another question on the degree and use of spin for another day.
March 6, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey David. A chip or bump and run technique will mainly be used around the greens for roll and run shots. The method would be hard to get 100 yards out of it, but yes you can use a variety of clubs depending on terrain and degree of difficulty. Typically, you wouldn't go beyond 30 yards if you were to reach all the way to a 3wd. Pitch shots are used for more carry and would be around the 20 to 60 yard range. 1/2, 3/4 or full wedge shots would be from the 60 to max yardage carry of the club for you. With 60 to 50 degree variance.
March 7, 2016
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Brandon
Do you recommend high bounce sand/lob wedges for this shot? Sometimes my wedge produces large divots instead of pinching the turf.
January 17, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Brandon. I personally don't like a lot of bounce on all my wedges. However, a little more bounce will help you if you are digging too much with this shot.
January 17, 2016
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Robert
Craig, do you keep the club face square on the follow through for a pitch shot as in a chip shot or do you release the the club turning your wrists over as in a regular shot? Thanks, Bob
January 10, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Bob. On a pitch shot there will be a little face rotation. You don't want to maximize the release because it isn't a speed shot. But, you need to allow for a little face rotation matching the small amount of rotation created in the backswing.
January 10, 2016
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Robert
Great, I understand, that's why it looks a little like your holding it off, but are not. Thanks again, you rock son.
January 10, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Bob. Thanks. Always here to help.
January 10, 2016
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Paul
Hi, I hear that these days the technique for wedge shots is to shallow out the club and take less of a divot. I know this video is at least 6 yrs old. Just wondering.
January 4, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Paul. The shallower path can lead to a low flight and little more spin. You shouldn't be coming in too steeply with this move. But, as in the Spinning Chips Videos that is why we teach to shallow out the path and try to skim the face under the ball.
January 4, 2016
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Marcus
Hey guys, When I try to play this shot I always hit it extremely fat. What could I be doing wrong?
January 2, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hell Marcus. I would say you are either spinning the body too hard or trying to fire the arms/hands too much. Quiet the body spin and release. Make sure the weight stays a little more stacked on the lead side.
January 2, 2016
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Braden
Hey Craig, in the pitch shot technique video Chuck put up, he talked about having your upper body turn through the shot to shallow out the club. Do u want to do that same move in this type of wedge shot?
December 31, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Braden. Yes, you will be using a little more of the body rotation to help with shallow and quieting the release.
January 2, 2016
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Braden
Also when Chuck talks about keeping the buttons on your shirt in front of the ball, do you want to have an axis tilt or will that cause the buttons to go behind the ball?
December 31, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Braden. You should retain about the same amount from setup. You don't want to add additional secondary tilt.
January 2, 2016
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Jose
I notice my messages have been deleted I guess rotary swing didn't like what I had to say regarding there poor premium member videos or lack of
November 25, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jose. I haven't deleted any current messages from any user. Is there a question or answer you didn't receive a notice for?
November 25, 2015
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Frank
Can you describe role of lower body, particularly the sequence relative to upper body. What is the sequence of the downswing since weight is already left?
November 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Frank. Being how the weight is already placed on the lead foot. All your doing is taking out the big shift. You will sit into the lead leg (more of a tiny squat), pull a little with the lead oblique., and make a controlled or quieter release to match the compact backswing.
November 11, 2015
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Micah (Certified RST Instructor)
What would you suggest would be a good stance width for wedge shots. Same as chipping stance or wider? Thanks -Micah
November 5, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Micah. The stance will be about 2 1/2 club head widths apart, or roughly NJA.
November 6, 2015
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Joseph
Do you add the same arm elevation in the takeaway for this shot or just rotate without arm elevation ? I've noticed I compress and hit more straighter and consistent shots without arm elevation ? What is best ? Thanks Joe
October 24, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Joseph. You can quiet a little of the elevation throughout the move if it helps your shot. A little throughout is necessary to help keep the club in front of the sternum. But, for a compact move such as this one. It can be variable.
October 24, 2015
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Dave
I have tried the basics here before because I have a strong tendency to hit my full swing wedge shots way too high, and thus subject to all the bad problems that leads to. However, it doesn't seem to matter much where I put the ball in my stance, I still end up hitting it too high--not the penetrating flight I am looking for. Either that or I end up blading it since the low point in the swing is now forward of the ball position. It seems that when I play it back I am promoting a steep decent and hence a lot of spin when I do make more or less solid contact, and I still end up throwing it up in the air too much. What might be going wrong?
October 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. You are losing shaft lean at some point. I would focus on trying to learn how to bow the lead wrist and hit a lower ball flight. Take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section Day 4 Low Trajectory Shots.
October 13, 2015
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Dave
In the past when working on shaft lean I tend to blade the ball, as the club doesn't release in time. Will look again at video you mention. Thanks.
October 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. Okay. Make sure you stay down with the shot. Changing of the secondary tilt and bottom of the swing arc tens to lead to the blade.
October 13, 2015
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Dave
I need to get back to working on this. In looking at the video it doesn't seem like Chuck is taking much of a divot. When he hits the lower trajectory shot, are the divots deep or shallow? And if they are indeed shallow, how does that happen? Thanks!
July 6, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. They tend to be more on the shallow side. The quieter hands and pulling from the lead side help the shallow divot. If you start to add any trail side involvement from the shoulder or hand the club will steepen. I would practice smaller shots first. Kinda like the proper pull in a chip, but on a slightly bigger scale.
July 6, 2017
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Dave
Sounds good. Okay, back to the range.....
July 6, 2017
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Lance
What clubs should the method Chuck describes apply to? Do we ever use the full swing approach for the shorter clubs I will practice with the penetrating shot from 60 degree through 9 iron and see if it is more consistent
August 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lance. You can easily use this approach on more than one club. When you need max height and carry is when you want to use full swing approach.
August 11, 2015
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William
Hitting a soft ball is a must. You can't play a hard covered distance ball and get much spin on the ball.
August 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello William. Playing a multi layered ball or one with a softer cover will help with spin.
August 11, 2015
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Andrew
Hi, In the self analysis section, I noticed that wedge play isn't in any of the model videos. Where there be model swings for us to compare our swings with in the future? Thanks, Andrew
August 5, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Andrew. Thanks for the suggestion. I will add it to our list.
August 7, 2015
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Evan
I am guessing you can do it with any of your wedges? Yes?
August 2, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Evan. Absolutely.
August 3, 2015
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Dave
Should the stance be open when hitting this shot? Thanks.
July 22, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. You don't have to open the stance when hitting this shot.
July 22, 2015
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gordon
I am experiencing some variability with this shot and think this is due in great part to my feeling uncomfortable with the head position in the stance. In the material accompanying the video I have read "... making sure the left side of your head is behind the ball, and getting set up behind the ball, and turning behind the ball. That's all true in a stock shot, but wedge shots are different". In view of this where should my head be, ideally, in setting up 1) for this particular Penetrating Wedge Shot 2) for other wedge shots? Regards, Gordon
July 18, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. You don't want to cock-eye the head angle so to speak to reach the goal of behind the ball. However, different factors help you achieve it. Even with the weight slightly forward and buttons up more Chuck relatively gets the head behind easily. For chipping the head will still be behind even though the ball is placed back because the narrower stance will help. The pitch shot will remain off the lead ear too. I think you might be overdoing the setup positions or exaggerating them too much. When you place the weight on the lead foot you don't have to shift the body all that far to achieve it. The narrow stance help move the bottom of the swing arc and tighten the distance to place the weight correctly. If you are stressing to get the head in the proper position, then you might be over shifting.
July 18, 2015
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Larry
Mostly I have had success using this setup but have hit a few fat and came up short of the green. What could be the root cause?
July 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Larry. Fat is typically losing angle too soon and lack of weight shift. Make sure you are on your lead side good and that you have a quieter controlled release versus trying to fire hard at the release too soon in an effort for more power.
July 13, 2015
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Larry
Hi Craig, thanks for the prompt reply. I'll focus on both
July 14, 2015
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Esteban
The advices given in the two videos 'Penetraiting Wedge Shots' and 'Perfect Pitch Shot Setup' for me seem to be very contradictionary in respect to ball lie (back in the stance in the one an forward in the other video) and also the tilt of the spine. I'm confused by this videos. Could you please help? Thanks, Esteban
July 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Esteban. They are 2 completely different shots. The penetrating wedge shot is more for a full distance shot trying to flight it low in the wind. The pitch technique is more for the in-between yardage for good ball flight and feel in shorter situations.
July 12, 2015
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dennis
dennis: Is the takeaway on the penetrating wedge shot the same as the full swing takeaway or do you keep the club shut as in the other pitch shots.
July 7, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dennis. The principles are the same regarding club and shoulder rotation as in the real swing. Just a more compact move and a controlled release that matches the shorter backswing.
July 8, 2015
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Jared
Thanks Craig, and when you say "spinning out the body too aggressively away from the target", you're referring to the downswing/hip spinning motion or during the take away?
June 5, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jared. Downswing. If you start spinning to much away from the target you can start pulling up and out of the shot. Leading to the thin strike you fight.
June 5, 2015
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Jared
I struggle with this shot more than most others. I follow the instructions but keep hitting thin shots or the occasional fat one. Is the spine supposed have axis tilt even though the weight stays left the entire time?
June 3, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The spine angle will have some tilt, but as mentioned below it is unnecessary to add any additional tilt to hit it low. If you keep hitting it thin, make sure you aren't spinning out the body too aggressively away from the target.
June 3, 2015
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Virgil
Hi, should the shoulders be level at address during a full pitch shot? I saw somewhere that the shoulders should be more level rather than tilting away from the target as most full swing set ups are. If so, how do you suggest getting the shoulders more level or spine being more neutral at set up, being that the right hand is lower on the grip than the left at address. (I am actually left handed)
May 31, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Virgil. If you are hitting a full pitching wedge the stock setup with the shoulders is just fine. However, if you are trying to flight the pitch shot a little you can level out the shoulders more. You can't be perfectly level because of the trail hand as you stated. However, just don't add more axis tilt. Take a look at Perfect Pitch Shot Setup in this section.
June 2, 2015
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gordon
This is indeed a very useful shot to have. Delofting e.g. a PW this way makes the ball flight less wind sensitive, - my question (probably a dumb one, but whatever!) is what are the benefits of this shot versus a "normal" swing using a lower-lofted club? Regards, Gordon.
May 30, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. More penetrating flight. Less flight spin to keep the wind from moving the ball laterally or horizontally. Good to dial in a specific yardage to hit it close.
May 30, 2015
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gordon
Hi Craig, thanks for responding promptly, on a weekend too! These Penetrating Wedge Shots (PWS) are finding application in the current Irish Open, which I am watching over here in Europe. Although, pragmatically speaking, it is good to know what works rather than why, it would interest me to know if the reason is known for the superior "wind-proofness" of the PWS compared with e.g. a softly swung 8 iron, - is it undestood why the PWS has less flight spin? Enjoy your Sunday! regards, Gordon.
May 30, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Gordon. The problem with the soft 8 iron is compression. When you compress the ball it will fly through the wind. The good PW still has some steam on it to compress the ball versus kind of soft/flat 8 iron where the wind can play havoc.
May 30, 2015
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gordon
Hi again Craig. Normally I am not a fan of chain-length emails but your latest reply really got me thinking, and puzzled too. My first reaction was yes!, that is the "feel" one has with the PWS, that it is penetrating the wind because of the compressive nature of the ball contact. My second thoughts came when I tried to fit this recognition into my library of "things to know about golf". The puzzlement comes from the apparent contradiction with my previously understood learning that in windy conditons one should not hit the ball hard, and that a softer, rhythmic swing is better suited, with a lower lofted club. Craig can you rationalise these two points of view for my? Thanks in advance for your patience, regards, Gordon.
May 30, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. In windy conditions you want to keep spin off the ball and swinging smoother can definitely help you out with your cause. However, let's say from 100 yards (penetrating wedge distance). Is it easier to hit an 8 iron or a wedge close to the pin? A solid and compressed low flighted wedge is easier to dial in the yardage than trying to manipulate the 8 iron. You want a boring trajectory that will fly through the wind, but not have so much spin the wind takes it. So, you need a little compression. Its easier to compress a wedge at the required swing pace than an 8 iron.
May 31, 2015
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gordon
Excellent clarification, your insight is much appreciated Craig! Regards, Gordon.
May 31, 2015
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JENA
I really struggle with these shots. How do I initiate the downswing if my weight is already on the left side?
May 1, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jena. You aren't trying to have a big weight shift with this shot. The weight is already on the lead side. You will initiate with pushing the lead heel into the ground, but there won't be a massive shift.
May 2, 2015
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leslie
Hi, I am wandering what swing adjustment i have to make, when playing the 70-80 yards wedge shot using a "three quarter" swing, as opposed to the full swing (considering that the first is more of a control shot, and the second a power shot). I understand i have to keep about 70% of my weight on the left foot during the backswing (as opposed to the right foot during the full swing). But to what extent do i have to adjust the following? 1. "Right Shoulder Glide" - Is it still important to get a full shoulder turn during backswing? 2. "Squat To Square" - Do i do this move, the same as i would in the full swing? 3. "Lag" - If i can reach the green fairly comfortably, is getting lag still important? Thank you
April 23, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Leslie. Question 1 - You are still using the Shoulder Blade Glide to rotate back. The weight just won't transfer like a normal move. Question 2 - You don't want to try and over do a squat to square move because the hips could stall out too soon making the shot more arms. Still engage the glutes to stabilize, but don't try to overly squat and stall out for a max release. Question 3 - Lag isn't the big factor in the shot. Don't worry about it too much. Rotational forces are giving the majority of the power.
April 23, 2015
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Miguel
What yardage would you limit these penetrating wedges under normal conditions? My max yardage for shots on wedges are the following: pitching wedge (46) 125, 50 -115, 54 -105, 58 - 95 on full shots. Thank you
April 21, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Miguel. It would be tough to say what yardage you could limit them too. Sometimes players end up compressing the ball better and find the ball flies a little further. The key is a practice. Knowing what yardages you can create. Just don't swing out of your shoes and go for max distance. Hit a solid one with a wedge (low flight) and a comfortable tempo. Calculate the yardage and use that as your base line.
April 21, 2015
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Colin
Were you using a 60 degree sand iron or just a normal high lofted pitching wedge? Would you use the same technique for a much lower lofted pitching wedge?
April 14, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Colin. Chuck is using a normal 60 Degree Sand wedge. You can definitely use the technique with a lower lofted wedge.
April 14, 2015
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ejm
For my understanding: Why is it so important to compress the ball, why not produce a ballooning ball that sits because it falls to earth perpendicullarly? why create backspin if that is hard to gauge, whereas distance control by flight alone is easier? Or am I on the wrong track?
April 8, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ejm. Compression is important not only for distance, but control. When you don't compress a ball properly and produce (more of a ballon) the elements can play havoc. A gust of wind knocks the ball down 20 yards short, left and/or right. Or, you catch it hot 20 yards over. It doesn't produce the proper spin on the ball. Compression helps create consistency, controlled flight, and dialing down of yardages.
April 8, 2015
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Mark
Does this wedge swing which is made with 70% of the weight on the left foot also involve at least to some extent pressing down on the left heel to straighten the left leg as in the full swing.
April 3, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. You will press down into the lead heel a little more into impact. However, don't try to force straighten the lead knee too much. The shot is about control, not pulling maximum leverage out of the ground for distance. It will straighten, but don't snap it.
April 3, 2015
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gordon
I have three questions: 1. What is the difference between "body release" and "left hand release" as referred to in Craig's answer way back on June 16, 2014 (when discussing the difference between wedge and normal iron releases). In connection with this how is spine angle maintenance throughout impact affected by a body release? (I tend to lose spine angle when using body turn to close the club face). 2. For the shorter swing used in the PWS should one use the hinged right wrist recommended by Chuck Quinton in his excellent How to Hit Proper Pitch shot video? 3. In the Related Articles section I see a recommendation for a short compact swing without a lot of wrist set, - what is the difference between wrist cock, hinge and set? (I think I've seen it discussed somewhere on the RST site, but a search came up blank) Thanks in advance, regards, Gordon.
March 22, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. A left hand release is more a cross over release. The arms and hands have a lot of rotation and are controlling the squaring of the face. The body release use more rotation of the body. Arms and hands more passive. The squaring is done by spin, not manually rotating it too much with the wrist. Spine angle is easily maintained. Just image rotating around your center and the arms and hands are only following the motion of the body. In the PWS you are trying to take off too much spin. You don't want to add too much hinged wrist early. Wrist cock - set primarily deal with the same subject. Hitch hikers thumb towards the body. Like cocking a gun. Hinge is flattening or cupping motion. Take a look at How to Use the Wrist Efficiently Video in the Advanced Introduction Section for a fully detailed explanation.
March 22, 2015
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gordon
Hello Craig, I am very impressed that you have responded to both of my questions (here and under Chuck Qintons Proper Pitch Shot video) so quickly, despite their being posted on a Sunday, All credit to yourself and RST. I do have follow on questions to both responses so please bear with me! To better understand the two club release methods lets assume that at the instant of impact the shoulders are parallel to the target line and the club face is square. Shortly thereafter, on follow through, would a body release still have the triangle formed by arms and shoulders in the same configuration and the club face still be square to this triangle (thus mirroring the take away move)? In contrast would a left hand release have the hands crossing over at this stage and, more importantly, the arms now ahead of the shoulders, which are remaining parallel to the target line for a little longer, thereby distorting the arms plus shoulder triangle from the shape it had at impact? Does left hand release equate to the "full release" referred to in your comment back on June 16 2014 and why does that give more power and (puzzlingly) accuracy than the wedge release, using body, which is for controlling trajectory and distance? Regards, Gordon.
March 23, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Yes to both the body and arms release description. The left hand release does equate to the full release. The full release gives more power because you expend everything into the shot. The deceleration of the shoulders, hips, arms and hands. Take a look at the Acceleration Profile in the Downswing Advanced Section. You use rotation, leverage and you width as your power source. With the full release you are not fighting the design of the club. It wants to rotate. The PWS is more a body release because its not for max power. It is for controlled flight and less spin. The body release quiets the hands and holds the face squarer longer. Less spin and speed. More accurate for a shorter shot, but not as far. There are less variables because you are only using your rotation as your main power source. Think like Matt Kuchar. Only uses rotation as his power source. Very accurate off the tee, but very short especially for his size.
March 23, 2015
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gordon
My thanks again Craig. With the many detailed videos, responses to questions thereon plus personal swing analysis service RTS is proving well worth the investment! Regards, Gordon.
March 24, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. No problem. We want our students to succeed!
March 24, 2015
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Mads
Is this also the way to do it, if you want the ball to bounce a few times and then spin back a couple of yards?
March 3, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mads. This can produce a more penetrating flight that drops and stops on the green. Probably, not spinning back too much. You would need to get a little more spin to start spinning it back a few yards.
March 3, 2015
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Chae
will this work for 50 - 60 yards? shorter swing?
March 1, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Chae. Yes, this will work for a 50-60 yard shot. Correct, a smaller motion is necessary.
March 3, 2015
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Alejandro
Chuck mentions keeping the weight on the left side, but where exactly in the left foot when on top of the backswing ? Heel or toe ? It feels a lot different and I can't find a video describing this.
February 19, 2015
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Steven (Certified RST Instructor)
We want the weight to be over the ankles for all shots. When we put rotation on a hinge joint (the knee) to take that stress off we want to keep the weight in the heels of the feet. More specifically over the ankle. When we let the weight go into the toes of the feet we are putting strain and stress on the knee joint and their is potential for injury. Steven
February 21, 2015
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Mike
Hi. I have tried this technique with my wedges and it is working really well for me. I got the technique almost instantaneously. It seems so easy to do and I hit the ball so well with my wedges that I'm wondering if the technique would work for more of the irons in my bag. I seem to be more inconsistent with my attempts at employing Rotary Swing techniques with these other clubs. Is there a point of diminishing return in using this wedge technique once you get into your mid- or longer range irons?
February 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mike. Yes, you are correct about a point of diminishing returns. For the longer clubs. Focus more on controlling the lead wrist to flight the ball low. Take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section - Day 4 and Day 8.
February 13, 2015
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Andrew
Hi, This may be a dumb question, but what is the difference between a flop shot and a penetrating wedge shot? I feel like they are the same except the ball position are different. Is the approach based on the lie? Thanks, Andrew
February 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Andrew. The flop shot also adds the element of an open face at address. Take a look here for further information. http://www.rotaryswing.com/videos/short-game/wedge-play/how-to-hit-the-flop-shot
February 13, 2015
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Great video. Just wondering based on doing it this way he hits it around 85 yards. How far would he generally hit it if he did take a more "full" swing with more follow through and higher trajectory?
February 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Chris. I've played with Chuck many of times. However, never calculated his yardages with exactness. However, with his 60 degree I know he can it it over 100 yards.
February 13, 2015
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John
I seem to be able to hit my wedges further with very little wrist cock and a very short swing (58 degree 90 yards, 56 degree 100, 50 degree 120) club essentially at 10 o'clock angle. In your video you have a 90 degree wrist cock in your final swing sequence. I just find I get way to much spin and high weak shots with full wrist cock on wedges. Thoughts?
December 21, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. You don't need to force too much wrist set. It sounds like when you attempt, you over do it and the club starts moving away from the body too soon. All we need is a gradual wrist set in the swing. A little less especially for the penetrators is ok.
December 21, 2014
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Ron
I've been trying this technique and catch a lot of shots thin. My question though is about stance width for these shots. Thanks.
November 16, 2014
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R.J. (Certified RST Instructor)
Ron, Neutral Joint Alignment (NJA) is where you want your stance to be for these shots, instead of 2" outside of NJA for a stock shot R.J.
November 17, 2014
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myron
can I use this technique to hit a 8 iron with more control say 140 yards
November 5, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Myron. You can use it for an 8 iron to control flight and yardage. However, take a look at Day 4: Hitting it Low. Bonus Series - 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section. Learn how to control the lead wrist to get a penetrating flight.
November 5, 2014
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Edvin
I really enjoy using more of the technique in "How to hit proper pitch shots" for my 80-85 yard wedge shots as well. I still get a low ball flight with great control and a nice amount of spin. I feel that using the technique in this video gives me less spin which often leads to problems when I'm trying to attack difficult pins to make birdies as the ball often dosen't stop at the pin. At what distance do you recommend to draw the line between the the technique in this video and the technique in "How to hit proper pitch shots"? Thanks!
October 16, 2014
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R.J. (Certified RST Instructor)
Edvin, The line is going to be determined by how far you hit the ball with all of your clubs. If you throw darts with a 60 degree lob wedge from 80-85 yards, then you know that's about as close as you can get using the shot that you prefer. However, if you're using a Gap/Approach wedge or a Sand wedge from 80-85 yards, hitting with a lot of spin and a low trajectory, then you know that you can use that same shot with a higher lofted club and get similar results from a closer yardage. In order to generate your desired spin rate and trajectory with that shot, you're going to have to put a pretty good charge into the ball to generate enough spin/loft to get the ball to stop with a low shot. So, you're going to want to get to the golf course nice and early before people get out and start playing, if you have the opportunity and hit different shots into the green from different distances. You're going to want to see how close you can get with a full swing to generate the necessary spin. Once the ball stops holding the green with the low trajectory because you have to gear down in order to not fly the green, then you know at that point to switch it up to a higher lofted shot that will land softer on the green. As far as the actual yardage, I can't tell you that. You'll have to work that out through practice. My best advice is to master both shots so that you can figure out on the course which shot you're going to need to use in each situation. The best thing you can do in the short game is to put as many types of shots in your game that you feel comfortable playing well so that you can't possibly be thwarted by a tricky situation. I hope this helped you out, sir. R.J.
October 17, 2014
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Joe
Working on the penetrating wedge shot after watching the video. With the buttons on my shirt in front of the ball, the hands don't release or "cross over" until much after ball contact, at least that's what I feel. How do I or do I want to release the club with this shot?
October 7, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Joe. The release will match the abbreviated backswing. Your feel sounds on par. You don't want a massive cross over release. It should feel somewhat delayed into contact. The release is very quiet.
October 8, 2014
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Erich
Under the penetrating wedge shots. How far down in club selection would you go under normal golf conditions? Would you use this technique down to 8 or 9 iron?
October 4, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. You could use is with a 9 or 8 Iron. However, take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking (Bonus Section) Day 4: Hitting It Low. Learn good lead arm and hand control. With those lower irons as well.
October 5, 2014
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Eric
Question...when watching this video, when hitting the wedges the advise is to put more weight forward to limit backswing and position middle of body a little forward of ball that will result in lower, penetrating ball flight. What if the shot is a 135 yd shot with a pitching wedge, or 145 yd 9 iron? Would you hit same way, or hit more like a regular iron shot with equal balance and ball positioned off of shirt pocket?
September 24, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. You can use the same principle. However, the longer the shot. The easier it would be to control with more lead hand awareness. Take a look at the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking (Bonus Section) Day 4: Hitting It Low.
September 25, 2014
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Kyle
Do you have the Trackman data for those shots? What launch angle, spin rate and dynamic loft are you looking for?
September 17, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kyle. We do not have any trackman data for this shot currently. However, thanks for the suggestion. It is something we can work on for a possible video in the future.
September 18, 2014
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Jackie (Certified RST Instructor)
In this video chuck talks about making a shorter swing. Does this mean to still use the Rotation, elevation, and flexion in a shorter swing? Or is the technique different. He says bring you're arms back for this shot, but what is the motion exactly?
September 12, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jackie. All the elements are still there, but its not a full motion. More a 3/4 swing to keep it controlled and in sync with the body. You don't require as much elevation or flexion.
September 12, 2014
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Jitu
Tkx Craig, I was wondering about this as well.
June 26, 2015
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DENIS
Thanks for this advice - I tried it this afternoon and it seems to work for me. Do you tend to hold your wrists through the shot versus a full release of the wrists in say the longer shots? Do you advise the same length of swing on the backswing and thru swing? Your rear arm does not straighten so instead of wide/narrow/wide the swing might be narrow all the way i.e.. compact as you say.
August 31, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Denis. Yes, you want to try mimic the compact swinging motion back and thru. The release should be a controlled to match the shorter swing.
September 1, 2014
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James
Hi guys, would I use this technique for 100-120yd wedge distance? My swing reviews definitely have me hitting the ball further as I am my 50* 110m/120yds using R, E, F swing but this video isn't that swing. I am hitting the ball great off the tee but am not cashing in giving myself birdie chances. Am often hitting them heavy and dunking them short. Then struggle for pars when I should have birdie putts.
August 18, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Yes, you can use this technique form that range. Just use the appropriate club. Don't try and muscle a higher lofted wedge.
August 18, 2014
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JAMES
My Pitching distance control is inconsistent,,, A times I fly it over green even on a short, easy swing ...sometimes come up far short due to concern about over swinging.... What can help me gauge swing with distance??? Thanks, James
July 20, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Dialing in your distances is a challenge. Your swing needs to stay consistent. Practice is key. Check the swing. Make sure your backswing is matching the downswing. Not over swinging back then short follow thru or vice versa ( Short back, hard acceleration thru). Keep it nice and even. Once you have the motion dialed in practice different rates. Find some markers or flag pins at different yardages. Figure out what a 30%, 40%, etc. swing gives you. Focus on the pace, not so much the length of swing. Learn your rates and dial in your distances.
July 21, 2014
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JAMES
So Backswing would be about even with follow through Craig? I will practice these... thank you! James
September 6, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes James. Matching will help keep the distance and flight in check.
September 6, 2014
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JAMES
So Craig....just increase the swing length and body turn speed for increasing distances? thank you, James
July 27, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey James. Yes. The length will go up a little incrementally every time. But, the rate and pace can be changed very easily. Be aware of the length. But, dial in the speed. Make a controlled follow through to match the backswing.
July 27, 2014
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Nick
Can you hit this type of shot with a 6 or 7 iron or should we stop at 9 iron?
July 18, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
You can to control shots for the wind if you would like. However, better results can be seen by learning a little more left hand control. Take a look at the Day 4 Video in the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section (Bonus Series) to learn how to hit the ball with low trajectory.
July 18, 2014
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jeffrey
i understand the concept. if i hit a pw normally 120 yards should i be able to hit this type of shot the same distance with same club or will i need to take a 9 iron ? thanks
July 13, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The yardage should remain relatively the same. However, for control and maintaining a quieter release which matches the shorter backswing. The 9 iron might be the best option.
July 14, 2014
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Rich
I have been spending a great deal of time on the full golf swing and am in need of more accuracy 80-140 yds. Thanks to RST my PW is now about 125-130 yds (25+ increase). I really don't care what club I pull out of the bag I am just looking for accuracy. The weight shift videos talk about a 14% decrease in distance by not shifting and this video moves the ball back with a shorter swing for accuracy with no weight shift. I am planning to go out and practice more penetrating shots and figure out distances, but I am somewhat perplexed as to if the two concepts spoken about are the same or different and how I should approach practicing for accuracy? Also, any concept on distance (or distance loss) would be great? Lastly, if there is any accuracy goal (avg feet from pin) that is reasonable that I should try to shoot for with a wedge in my hand.
July 8, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Rich. The setup changes are for penetrating with accuracy with the wedges. The weight shift isn't required because its not a "distance" shot. More honed in for control with a release that matches the shorter backswing. There might be a little distance loss, but thats ok. This is more a finesse, hit it close approach. Anything within 15-20 feet is good. That would be close to tour average.
July 8, 2014
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Ji
Is it true that wedge shots should not curve?
June 28, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The curvature will be slightly less. But, the club is still swinging on a arc. I tend to prefer a tiny draw with the penetrating wedge shot. A little more spin and control.
June 29, 2014
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Brandon
Craig, if the pin is back and tucked right do you club up and hit a fade or hit the same shot and play the ball a little farther up in your stance?
January 17, 2016
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Steven
Chuck, I'd like you to put up a video how to deal with those abbreviated shots from the pitching wedge on down. I hit a PW about 120 yds, a GW 105, a 56 degree about 90 yds, and a 60 degree about 70 yds. My problem for years has been those inbetween shots from roughly 110 to 40 yds out........what club do you use/recommend on each yardage? Do you choke up? Do you abbreviate the swing? Is it all just a "feel" thing, etc?? I don't get to practice a lot and I think my in-decisions over these shots at different yardages cause me to be inconsistent in this area and hit a lot of "so so" shots at best.
June 16, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Steven. We will take that suggestion into account. Learning those in between yardages is a tough one. It takes practice to understand what your yardages are. Typically it does involve choking up and making an abbreviated swing. Figure out what works best for you. Myself for instance. I hit my GW 125. When I have 100 yards, but want to hit the GW because of wind or wanting lower trajectory. I keep everything the same, but make an abbreviated swing. I match the normal motion, but limit it to 3/4 and about 70% power.
June 16, 2014
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Benjamin
Hello, what is the difference between a wedge and the normal iron release? Does Left hand release apply on wedge swing?
June 16, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The iron you will be fully releasing for power and accuracy. The wedge shot is typically a more dialed in shot. Controlling trajectory and distance. You will still release with the left hand, but it will be a little more passive. More of a body release. Thats why the swing is a little more compact and the release is matched to the shorter backswing.
June 16, 2014
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gary
I have been hitting the ball quite high on the clubface, especially with the wedge shots. Not horribly high justabove the sweetspot causing a bit less spin on the ball. Is this because I am hitting down too steep on the ball? I am not hitting the shot fat.
June 13, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Gary. Without seeing your move there might be a few different culprits. Make sure the lead arm and hand are pulling through the shot. Take a look at the Taking a Divot Video in the Downswing Advanced Section. It should help get the correct blow into the ball and work its way back towards center.
June 16, 2014
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patrick14
Chuck says very little wrist set. But what about right arm flextion.
June 12, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The right arm will follow the normal function as described in the full swing. The amount of flexion is just a little less though, due to a shorter swing.
June 12, 2014
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Wen
Do our videos not go well with the android phone or pad?it twitch a lot,even unable to watch,what is it all about?
May 31, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The videos shouldn't have any issue playing on Ipad. Android sometimes is a little touchy because of the discontinuation of Flash Player on Android Based systems. If you are having trouble with video playback please feel free to contact customer support and we will be happy to help. The link to Contact Us is at the bottom of the page. Thanks.
May 31, 2014
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patrick14
I'm not sure what is wrong. But I've submitted this question a couple of times but never find on the sight. So I will submit it again and see what happens. Where I play the greens are small and firm. I have a lot of trouble holding them. I use provx Titlest balls.So I have to blame it on lack of knowledge. Can you help
May 30, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Patrick. I'm sorry you didn't receive Chris's response. Are you sure you are compressing the ball properly? You might need a softer ball to get a higher spin rate.
May 31, 2014
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john
i am wondering if there is any club rotation on the backswing. Being that the ball is played further back in the stance I am a bit nervous that there wont be enough time to close it in time.
May 30, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
The club will rotate slightly, but not as much as a full swing body rotation would create. You will have time to close it. Don't worry!
May 31, 2014
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patrick14
Where I play the greens are small and a bit harder than average. I play provx Titlest balls, but still have a tough time holding the green.Any suggestions
May 30, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Patrick. I'm sorry you didn't receive Chris's response. Are you sure you are compressing the ball properly? You might need a softer ball to get a higher spin rate.
May 31, 2014
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David
What a scam I could find better stuff on utube...what a waste of money!!!
May 29, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
I'm sorry that you didn't find the video to be helpful. One of our online instructors would be glad to take a look at your swing if there are any certain issues you are struggling with.
May 31, 2014
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patrick14
Where I play, we have small greens that are a bit harder than average. I use Titlest provx balls, but still have a difficult time stopping the ball. Any suggestions
May 29, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Are you compressing the ball properly? You may need to go to softer golf ball that has a bit higher of a spin rate.
May 30, 2014
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patrick14
Where I play the greens are small and harder than average. I have a hard time stopping the ball on the green. any suggestions
May 28, 2014
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patrick14
where I play the greens are small and harder than average. I have a hard time stopping the ball on the green. any suggestions
May 28, 2014
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patrick14
where I play we have small harder than average greens. penetrating wedges don't stop on these greens. any suggestions
May 28, 2014
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Greg
Is the release feel like the it occurs at the left thigh? I'm still tending to hit this shot high and I don't feel like I am flipping. Any suggestions?
May 21, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
You might be using too much of your right side and hand. The release is a little quieter and more left side dominant. Keep the lead arm and hand going through. It will be trending more to the left thigh. If you still struggle with this after focusing more on leading with the left, feel free to upload one of your wedge shots from Down the Line and Face On for a look by one of our online instructors.
May 21, 2014
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Junior
Is the width of your feet the same as with the pitching shot?
May 17, 2014
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes, the stance width is a little narrower than a full swing move. About 2 to 2 1/2 club widths apart.
May 18, 2014
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charles
Hi Chris. I had a question about this "penetrating wedge shot" video before. Your answer was to keep the pressure the same as a normal shot. So I don't go insane, could you answer THIS question: what could I be doing to cause a complete disaster with this technique? I went to the range and hit 50 consecutive shanks that squirted to the right about 3 feet off the ground. I was using a 60 degree wedge and almost snapped it half. Is there any other keys that may make this technique effective?....such as try to emulate the pros with the VERY steep angle of attack? Would appreciate your thoughts on this miserable result. Thanks!
May 12, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Charles, you could be using way to much right hand right arm in the downward move. This can steepen the club up and cause the path to work left. Also with the momentum you are creating from the right side of the body, you could be moving some part of the right side of the body closer to the ball. Work on thinking left side only for now and make sure you watch on camera from down the line to see if the club is steep or the right knee, hip or shoulder are moving in towards to the ball. Hope that helps and keep me posted.
May 12, 2014
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James
Hi,I really like this technique and was dialing in my distances yesterday building my yardage book. However, I was pulling a number of them left. What should my first move from the top be with this method? My swing weakness which is keeping me stuck at 6 handicap is whipping the club inside at 9 o'clock on the way back and am doing the shoulder blade drill to correct it. Maybe that flaw is causing me to come over the top on the way down with this pitching method? Any advice to nail them straight would be great. A follow up video from down the line would be fantastic too!
May 12, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
I would work on getting more of the left side to control the downward move. It sounds as though you are over powering the move from right arm /shoulder which can cause the path to work left. Make sure that your release is fine tuned and you will want to try and keep the right side as passive as possible while working to correct this. Getting the club inside early on is going to cause the rerouting of the club you are experiencing so you may want to work that out first and then lose the right hand on the down swing for a bit.
May 12, 2014
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lately in my wedge shots i am fighting the shank what to do?
May 9, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Make sure that your release is fine tuned and there is no extreme amount of tension in the lead arm causing the release to be slow or held off. Also, check to make sure that no part of the right side of your body has moved closer to the ball into the hitting area like the right hip, right knee, right shoulder. Hope that helps.
May 9, 2014
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as a lefty you mean my left side of the body etsc.... right? thank you
May 10, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
That is correct.
May 10, 2014
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ashley
With the weight placed on the left, do we still place an emphasis to sit into the left side in the downswing? I am confused about wedges as we start off with the weight forward already.
May 8, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
The weight should be more forward for this shot and the shift should be very minimal so that you are controlling the bottom of the arc properly.
May 9, 2014
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ashley
Ok so then what do we do to ensure we stay on plane coming down and not come OTT in a wedge shot or perhaps pull it slightly left
May 10, 2014
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patrick14
So the release is the same as a full shot. By the way when I try this shot it seems to roll out quite a bit . I was looking for a shot that will bounce twice and stop. any suggestions
May 8, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Patrick, the release should be the same for this shot and this shot is designed to give you a couple of hops and stop. If you are not seeing that, you may not be compressing the ball properly or the conditions you are playing on may have some effect as well.
May 9, 2014
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Greg
Is this the technique you would use for most clubs if you desired to hit the ball lower?
May 2, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
You can use this for shorter irons as well. Otherwise there can be some changes to flighting mid and long irons down
May 2, 2014
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Nick
At what yardage would this technique prove ineffective? Could you still do it from 150 + yards out? I'll hit a normal 9 iron 155 yards, but guessing with this technique it would drop to 145 or less. Also, can you go as low as a 7 iron using this?
July 16, 2014
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Ste
For this shot do you recommend maintaining a slight spine tilt away from target or secondary axis tilt as it is also called?
April 23, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
The spine will be more vertical for this shot to help keep the ball down.
April 23, 2014
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john
The technique as shown by Chuck here works great for me. Now I no longer blade pitch shots. Thanks a million
April 20, 2014
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bryan
Tried the shot on the range the other day and it worked great. Tried it on the course today and some some excellent shots. Thanks! I'm curious as to how far out would you hit one of these shots and even if you would use it with an 8 or nine iron.
April 9, 2014
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René (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Bryan. Great to here that this shot worked out so well for you. Yes, you can use the same technique with for instance a PW or 9 iron. You will find out it will give you more control attacking the flag. Let us know.
April 9, 2014
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charles
Chuck...can't wait to try this technique with the wedges. I have a question about grip pressure. With most of the other videos, RST places a lot of emphasis on "soft hands and wrists." In this video it seems that if you are trying to restrict your backswing and your follow through, that action calls for a somewhat firmer grip pressure in order to maintain the proper restrictions. To the point then: ANY difference in the grip pressure with these wedge shots? Thanks. Chuck Sharkey RST member
April 7, 2014
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Chuck, great question here! We are looking to keep the grip pressure the same as you would for a full stock shot. Grip pressure increases nearly 80% in the full swing based on the momentum created and even with a shot like the penetrating wedge shot, the pressure will increase as you move into impact. Try to keep the pressure and suppleness of the wrists the same for this shot or you can run into issues with impact and release.
April 8, 2014
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