3.2 The GOAT Pitch Shot

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Once you've got a good "hand" on your putting and chipping, the next phase - pitching - will be your first step into the foundation of a full swing as you will learn how to rotate using your core while setting your wrist to get the club up on plane.

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Stanley
Here's the Down the Line view. Thanks!

November 9, 2024
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Chuck
Setup looks good, but your arms are too active in the stroke. Try and take the club back with the core and the arms follow
November 11, 2024
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Stanley
Hi Chuck. Your critique would be greatly appreciated!

November 9, 2024
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Chuck
See how your right arm is bending a lot? On these short shots, it should barely bend much at all. This happens when you're not using your core to move the arms
November 11, 2024
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Stanley
Thank you very much! Your expert eye is greatly appreciated!
November 11, 2024
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Thomas
Hello chuck, I have been doing great with chipping and started to work on the pitching. Here are a few videos of the start of the pitching.

October 29, 2024
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October 29, 2024
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Chuck
Here ya go Thomas!

October 29, 2024
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Thomas
Thanks Chuck, this makes a lot of sense. I will start recording myself more often to help correct these issues. Outside of my chipping I started to feel my old swing habits come back.
October 29, 2024
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Jeff
Hi Chuck, I have a question about the chipping and pitching setup and how it seems to me to be different from your video on the GOAT setup i.e., the club shaft should point to your belt buckle. In the chipping and pitching setup the club shaft isn't pointing to your belt buckle. Just wondering/curious as to why that is. I'm guessing that with a wedge and the type of shot, it's kind of like the driver---a specialty shot. ???
October 6, 2024
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Chuck
Yes it is more like a specialty shot compared to a full swing for the same reason you don’t shift weight to your trail foot there’s simply not enough time on such a short stroke
October 6, 2024
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Lorenzo
Hi Chuck, I assume that you use the bounce for the pitch shots? And I assume that you have more release (hands and arms get a little higher) then when chipping. For the short game you need fines so you need soft hands and because of this it will feel and look like you flip a little with your right hand, you don't actually flip but due to the weight of the club head and soft hands it happens. Is that correct? Could be that I'm wrong but I don't see much differences between this pitch shot and the chip shot. I assume that with the chip shot you stop with your turn and arms so the clubhead is approx less than 45° above the ground?
September 29, 2024
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Chuck
Ok, a lot of questions here. First, yes the bounce is used on many pitch shots, depending on the shot and the lie, it may not be. Second, no, I don't flip and I hold the club firmly unless I need more height on the ball. As you watch more of the pitching videos and wedge shots I talk more about the differences, specifically I think this is discussed in the Clubface is King video - long story short, pitch has more wrist set.
September 30, 2024
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Lorenzo
Many thanks. It’s clear.
September 30, 2024
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Carver
Chuck, curious if you have an opinion or preference for the optimal bounce for the 60 deg given the chip and pitch protocol you are teaching.
September 28, 2024
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Chuck
I've always preferred minimal bounce, 4-8* maximum and typically grind down the heel so when the club is open there is 0* of bounce
September 28, 2024
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Bob
As the swing gets a little bigger does the left shoulder/arm ever pronate or does that supination stay throughout the full swing with all clubs?
September 23, 2024
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Chuck
Hi Bob, it has to pronate, you're just trying to avoid it happening right off the ball.
September 24, 2024
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andree
Is it correct that the take-away shown here can be used and extended to then make a full iron swing? Specifically how the right hand moves, the sensation of 'shut face' and perhaps steepness, as you say yourself? Also: I know that you don't like 'pushing with the left arm/hand' to start the swing. In my case, I've had a tendency to both rotate flat and roll the left arm with the clubhead going inside in an opening fashion. BUT: I find that if I start the swing by "pushing" my left shoulder down on plane, while monitoring that my left hand gets "pushed" back/in at around 20 degrees or so, I get a pretty solid start with passive arms and good upper body engagement/rotation. I also don't feel this left shoulder move leads to swaying in my case. I almost feel that if I just "push the left shoulder to below my chin" and "set my right wrist with a small "right hand lift" I'd be 90% there to a full swing. With all this said, do you still think it's too error-prone to focus on lead side pushing (be it arm or shoulder)? I've never really connected with the "rotate the right scapula back inside" feeling. Thanks!
September 14, 2024
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Chuck
Yes, that is the entire point of the program. Is that the exact same mechanics you learn here carryover to the full swing. You can use the lead side to help for sure and even focus on that as long as it does not cause you to start changing the club face angle. The starting line drill will be the truth teller for you to know if you are manipulating the club face, because you should be able to consistently get at least four out of five in that 1 foot slot
September 15, 2024
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Carver
Chuck, too steep?

September 12, 2024
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Chuck
Hey Carver, note how your left arm is pretty vertical as you go back towards the end of the Takeaway this shows that you’re pushing with that left arm. When you pull back more with the right, the left arm angle in and point more towards the back of your foot, and this is very important to get in face control, because when you push with the left arm, it will change the club face angle most of the time as it will cause the left arm to pronate, which will rotate the face And the starting line drill will be very difficult and it will be very easy to get off plane
September 13, 2024
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Carver
Thanks for the response Chuck. Very timely as I just spent 2 hours pitching and filming. I have been trying to get lead shoulder back and in as per your GOAT takeaway video. Going back and trying pulling with right side more. Thank you.
September 13, 2024
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Carver
So I went back and hit more pitch shots with my 60 pulling with the right side. What a difference. Shallower AOA and much better strike. Club face contact moved from closer to toe to center face. Thanks Chuck. Made my day.
September 13, 2024
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Chuck
Awesome! Toe hits are almost always indicative of too much pulling with the lead side
September 15, 2024
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Jeff
In your prior pitch shot video (before GOAT) at address you recommended the club head to be toe down (to eliminate chunking it). I've seen videos of Tiger talking about how he will use the toe down to eliminate hitting it fat. Any thoughts on incorporating this?
September 8, 2024
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Chuck
You can do that here for sure. I personally don't do that very often but if you're comfortable with it, it can help, especially in bermuda.
September 9, 2024
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Steve
Another great video and step for us students to follow! Perfect progression to learn the full swing! One quick question though, the one spot that you didn’t really elaborate on was what are you feeling for the slight shallowing move? I can do this and fully understand what we are trying to do and what it should look like but I want to make sure I’m doing this the “Way of the Goat” The way you want us to! Thank you Chuck!
September 5, 2024
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Chuck
Hi Steve, it's mostly the wrist that is creating the shallowing, the arm is involved a bit as well.
September 5, 2024
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Steve
For sure, just wasn’t sure if there was a slight supination or slight clockwise twist of the wrist to initiate it?
September 5, 2024
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Chuck
Because the club is being taken back in a way that feels quite vertical when doing it correctly, it's natural for the wrist to want to do this motion to shallow. If your wrists are relatively relaxed going back as the core gets the motion going, you'll find this to be a natural motion.
September 5, 2024
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Steve
Thanks so much for the explanation! That makes a lot of sense! I definitely overthink and over complicate the movement in an attempt to set the wrists! I am a huge believer in this Goat trial! It is phenomenal! Thanks Chuck!
September 5, 2024
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Chuck
You're welcome!
September 5, 2024

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