How to Stop Swinging Over the Top and Increase Golf Swing Speed
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Published: February 12, 2019
Any golf instructor can talk a big game, but can they back up their talk with action? The quickest way to wade through the BS that is out there in the golf world is to see someone give a golf lesson to a student they've never seen before, and in minutes, accurately diagnose and correct any and all swing flaws.
That's what the RotarySwing RoadShow has done. It's taken the RST 5 Step System developed by RST Founder Chuck Quinton and put it on trial for the whole world to see. Chuck sent out an email to his members saying he was going to travel the country giving free golf lessons to anyone that wanted one. Talk about setting oneself up for failure!
Chuck walked into each lesson completely blind, literally looked at two swings (one face on and one down the line), reviewed them in real time on camera with the student and immediately starts transforming their swings to tour pro caliber in one lesson.
The results have been astonishing to those who don't know or don't understand the RST 5 Step System. But for those that do, it's just par for the course. Chuck has been doing this type of golf instruction "magic" for over 20 years, and this lesson just further cements the reality that if you want to dramatically and rapidly improve your golf swing, RotarySwing is the only logical solution.
In RoadShow Lesson 18, Chuck tackles a seemingly fatally flawed golf swing and transforms this ugly duckling into a swan in only 45 minutes. Here's what some YouTuber's had to say after watching this video golf lesson:
"It took me 3 years at golf course and range to figure what exactly he was taught in 30 mins." - Ken M.
"Always enjoy seeing these lessons... And the improvement is amazing! Thanks Chuck." - Paul Ohrenberger
"That was an amazingly quick transformation. That guy will be adding twenty yards and dropping twenty strokes. Very nice instruction, as always." - John Staab
If you've never witnessed the power of the RST 5 Step System, watch this video and be amazed at how quickly ANYONE of ANY ABILITY can radically transform their golf swing.
Chuck Quinton: So, ball striking wise, tell me what's going on.
Student: I think, from my videos, I probably get back not great, but fair, but my right hand, I'm either pushing, and I think I am getting up, so I'm kind of here as opposed to what I know you tell me, and what I seem to do better without a club, than with the ... Putting the club and then the golf ball in place screws up everything.
Chuck Quinton: It does!
Student: And I know I'm not the first. Now that I've watched your whole roadshow, I know I'm not the first person to say that.
Chuck Quinton: No. We're all scratch golfers without the ball. No doubt.
Student: Yeah. It's beautiful.
Chuck Quinton: But there is a fix for it.
Student: Yeah, and I've been listening, but I still just, naturally, don't seem ... I had this problem in baseball, too. That, and turning my wrist over, were my downfall in baseball, so it's not new, but that, I'm sure there's everything, but that feels, to me, what I self diagnose, and I get my videos reviewed, I'm not shifting and posting up. So, as a result, I'm out here, and this whole concept of being in like this feels ... It hasn't yet found its groove in my brain.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect way to describe it. All right. Cool. Well, let me watch you hit a couple, and we'll just put a couple on video.
Student: Just lefthanded, or?
Chuck Quinton: No. Just make a normal swing. Let's see what's in there right now, because we want to see where you're at, because we're gonna go somewhere else.
Student: Maybe somewhere in between would be better.
Chuck Quinton: Don't worry. I haven't watched anything yet. All right. Let's take a look.
Student: It's probably gonna look like all the other bad times I've done it despite my endless practice.
Chuck Quinton: That's all right. We're gonna fix all that. All right. Let's start with face on. Setup looks pretty good there. Little bit of a weak left hand grip. Right hand grip, we need to do a little bit of tweaking on, but not bad. All right. So first thing's first, the lower body, you've got that whole left side breakdown, and a reverse hip shift. So let me show you what I'm talking about there.
Chuck Quinton: See how your right hip's moved off that line and your left knee's all buckled in?
Chuck Quinton: So, to exaggerate this, you're going like this.
Student: Yeah, and I know you've said that a lot, and I thought I kept practicing not doing that, but yes.
Chuck Quinton: That's still going on in there. So we've got a lot of stuff moving that doesn't need to move.
Student: Doesn't need to move.
Chuck Quinton: Yep. Exactly, so we want to simplify that stuff.
Chuck Quinton: And then there's the old right shoulder, right arm push, right? That's why you're hitting back, behind you. So a simple way to think about this stuff, when you take these deep divots like that, and hitting back behind it, like you said, you can't really shift your weight, one, because your lower body, from to address to impact, only needs to go here. That's not that far, but what you've done is taking your lower body, and done this with it during the backswing, and now it's got a lot of stuff [inaudible 00:04:05] on the way down. So what we need to do is give it time to get out of the way, but that'll never happen if you move it that much.
Student: Yeah, and I've heard you say that, and I thought I was practicing toward that, and while I'm not always this bad, I'm still not doing it.
Chuck Quinton: All right, so we're gonna fix that, and then just a lot of right side push, a little right shoulder, because you can't use your lower body right now because it's not working the way we need it to. So there's a lot of right side chest rotations there. Let's take a quick look down the line. Setup's not too bad here. A little bit inside. Not too bad. There's the right side, over the top, right?
Student: Yep. Yeah. I have to tell you, it was a bit of a surprise to me when you said that the golf club is swung solely by the left hand.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. That's kind of foreign for people. Let me be clear on that. I focus most of my time on teaching people how to use the left side of the body because they way under use it. It doesn't mean the right side doesn't have a ton of work to do, that's for sure, but it takes a while for people to get to that. They've gotta get this first, and the right side's working so hard anyway, by the time we add that back in, it's already doing what it needs to do. Right?
Chuck Quinton: So the first thing we've gotta do, hands down, is get your lower body anchored to the ground, because if that thing's moving all over the place, there's just not enough time to get it back where we need it to, and that's why you can't feel like ... You feel struggling with the weight shift, and getting [crosstalk 00:05:25] You never will shift your weight, and post up, when you've gotta make up for all that movement.
Student: Yeah. I thought I'd been doing a better job, even warming up, doing that, but I'm looking in the mirror. I'm obviously not looking at the right thing.
Chuck Quinton: Sure. Well throw the club down, put your arms across your chest, and let's do ... All I want you to do at first [inaudible 00:05:43] Okay. Go ahead and rotate back. Go back to address. Now rotate back. Okay. Stop right there. Go back to address. So, couple little things that you're doing. What I'm looking for is what you're thinking about that creates rotation. When I said rotate first, you turned your hips and the knee kicked in. Right? So you're doing what I call the lazy man's turn, where you let your hips do all the work, and you don't activate your glutes.
Student: I was thinking much more about my back than I was the rest of it.
Chuck Quinton: And then when you did that, your head moved quite a bit off the ball, and your shoulders turned really flat. If your left shoulder turns really flat-
Student: Turns flat means what?
Chuck Quinton: Flat to the ground. So, a simple way to think about this, I'm standing here at address and I turn, this club's parallel to the ground. It's 90 degrees or perpendicular to the spine. It should stay that way. So when I hinge forward, and I rotate, you look like this. Now look how flat my shoulders are again, but my spine is bent over, so where should my shoulders go?
Student: Oh, you mean flat like this way as opposed to like that.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Exactly.
Student: Oh, I understand what you're saying. Okay.
Chuck Quinton: There's where you're heading. There you go. So if you've turned flat and push-
Student: So I'm going like that.
Chuck Quinton: Bingo.
Student: Got it.
Chuck Quinton: Instead of taking this right shoulder behind your head.
Chuck Quinton: Okay. Keep your head down here. There you go. Much better. There we go. Looking better already. Now where's your weight?
Student: A little more on the right foot, but still a lot on the left foot.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly. Shift your weight over the right. Just a hair more. There you go.
Student: So I want to go like this.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. So remember I said you had that reverse hip shift earlier?
Chuck Quinton: So that was kind of this whole move. When you practice, if you're at home, or here, you've got those little [crosstalk 00:07:27] bag stands. Put one up against your hip. Just let it sit there. I'm gonna hold it for you.
Student: Yeah. I've seen you do this, but it's been hard to figure. So I'm shifting initially, right?
Chuck Quinton: Yep and while you're ... There you go, and so your hips should just stay in the same spot. Viewed from face on, it should look like it stays right where it is.
Student: But isn't it moving when I'm shifting like this, or just not that much?
Chuck Quinton: Technically it's doing this while you're turning, so it creates the appearance that it never moves.
Student: Yeah, because I get the concept of this, and I guess I was just moving everything as opposed to-
Chuck Quinton: You were. There's a lot of extra movements. So your swing is just way more complicated than it needs to be.
Chuck Quinton: Here you go. So I'm just gonna hold this right here. There you go. So the cool thing about this drill is you can practice this in your living room, up against the couch, the kitchen. There you go. But use something firm because you don't want to slide out [crosstalk 00:08:38]
Student: See, I was getting the impression, and this is ... If you have to think of you, and your learning modality, I am the 180 degree opposite person from you.
Chuck Quinton: Really? Okay.
Student: So I was listening to that, and I really thought what I was wanting to do was start like this, but shift and turn.
Chuck Quinton: Technically that's what happens.
Chuck Quinton: But they're really happening simultaneously.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Good.
Student: That makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Now our head's moving way less, this is moving way less, shoulders look way better, and I want you to start to pay attention to feeling this side of your body activate. As you finish your turn, this should feel stretched.
Student: Yeah. It doesn't.
Chuck Quinton: It doesn't feel stretched?
Chuck Quinton: Okay, so go back to address, and do your turn again. Now does it feel stretched?
Chuck Quinton: All right. So that's letting you know that you're letting your hips rotate a little bit more than what they need to. You want to load this. Down with the shoulder.
Student: So what am I doing with my shoulder? I'm going like that?
Chuck Quinton: You're pushing. Exactly. So it's coming up. You're gonna feel like it just goes down, and here's the way to practice that. Just hold this across your chest, and go ahead, and rotate back, and this should point outside the ball, down at the ground, not way out over here, all right? There you go.
Student: Oh so you point it ... Okay.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. So you kind of point at the bucket of balls there. It's a good angle. Make sure this is [inaudible 00:10:07] finish that turn, and you should start to feel this waking up now, and if your hips are allowed to over-rotate, you'll never feel anything going on here.
Student: Yeah. I still don't feel that much, to be honest, but may just be my body design.
Chuck Quinton: Nope. It's just anchoring it in a little bit more, and rotating, rotating, rotating. Finish up that turn. There you go. Good. Now, from there, shift back over. Straighten that left knee as you push the hip back.
Student: So that's it. Yeah.
Chuck Quinton: There. Not from the right side. You're gonna use the left. Your hip is gonna go back that way, so you're gonna push it up and back. There you go, and the shoulders are gonna stay down here. Push the left hip up and back. That's staying in the shot. You feel how your chest stopped popping up when I held you down there?
Student: So this chest is not supposed to pop up?
Chuck Quinton: That's the worst thing in the world that you could do?
Student: Yeah. I bet I'm doing that a lot earlier.
Chuck Quinton: You have to because you're throwing your right side, and if you didn't pop out, you'd hit six feet behind the ball.
Chuck Quinton: So it's all cause and effect stuff. You do one thing, and you start chasing down this fix, but you need to get out of the way or you chunk it, which is why you chunk those. If you try to stay in your posture, you're gonna hit it bad.
Chuck Quinton: But that's what we're gonna fix.
Student: Now this is an example for your learning methodology of someone who's been doing it, went to your clinic, and has been doing this for a month, and watching a lot of video, and still, physically, some people just need that physical.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. Understood.
Student: And some people are just stupid, but I'm not throwing myself into that yet.
Chuck Quinton: I don't think that's the problem! There we go. Good.
Student: And then, when I come here, I want to go like that?
Chuck Quinton: Not quite so aggressive. Do it a little bit slower, so I can walk you through it. I want you to think about shifting first, and then starting to straighten up, so your chest stays there.
Chuck Quinton: But stay in the posture. Hip goes back. There you go. Again. Okay. Let's do it one more time, but your hip only needs to go into neutral, not out here.
Student: Not out there?
Chuck Quinton: Just right over your foot.
Student: So just straight over?
Chuck Quinton: So first belt loop is gonna go right through the first knee, and ankle there, right? You were just getting out here a little bit.
Student: I keep forgetting. I keep thinking it's much further.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. It's not that far. They're really small moves but, again, it's a small move when we don't move very much, going back. Stay in your posture.
Chuck Quinton: Okay. Again. So, part of the reason that you keep popping up, understand from this ... Let me turn this way. If I push off my right side, my pelvis will always [inaudible 00:12:46] [crosstalk 00:12:46]
Student: That makes sense. Okay.
Chuck Quinton: What I'm trying to get you to do is, instead of pushing your pelvis into the ball, I'm trying to get you to push your pelvis away from the ball, but you can only do that with your left leg.
Chuck Quinton: So think about your pelvis being pushed back this way, away from the ball, that will allow you to, if anything, increase your spine angle coming down into impact.
Student: That's weird.
Chuck Quinton: Good. There you go. Now we look like a golfer. Good. Chest should be square to the target, not open. There you go. Good correction.
Student: Yep. You said that, too.
Chuck Quinton: Almost. One more. All right. Let's take a quick look. Head's still moving off the ball. See that tree in the background?
Student: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chuck Quinton: See how much you move right away? That's what makes your shoulder turn flat.
Student: Well I think it's because of the shift, turn, shift, back, that I gotta break out of now.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. The only thing that's really gonna shift is what you felt earlier. A little bit of your hip shifting to the right.
Student: So it's only a little, and you're really rotating.
Chuck Quinton: Correct. You're doing both together, but your head doesn't really need to go anywhere.
Student: That makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: Much better there. See how much quieter your lower body is?
Chuck Quinton: You look like an athlete here. Whereas before, you were kind of moving all over.
Student: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chuck Quinton: Now, as you come back down, look at the left knee leading. That's great. Shoulders unwound a little bit early, but we'll get to there.
Chuck Quinton: Now you're posted up on that left side. You're starting to pop up a little bit, but to [inaudible 00:15:06] You're straightening the right leg, which is forcing you to come up.
Student: You've used the Frisbee example. I have to say, after having thrown a Frisbee for a while, it still doesn't ... It seems to be the same, but it just doesn't ... but I guess you're right.
Chuck Quinton: The thing about the Frisbee is, if you were really gonna huck it with your left arm, you're gonna go through the same weight transfer and pivot, right? That's what we're trying to feel.
Student: It just feels like I throw more from the back, almost like pitching, than this idea here.
Chuck Quinton: You're gonna do both. Your right leg has some job to do but, again, people overdo that. When you do it at the wrong time, and you start to push really early, and the heel pops up, that's when you lose your posture and your [inaudible 00:15:44] The problem with golf, versus throwing a Frisbee, if you lose your spine angle, it's not gonna be the end of the world. In golf, we're dealing with degrees. One degree of precision makes a big difference. So as your pelvis moves into the ball, as your pelvis stands up, your spine stands up and shifts the horizontal swing point, so you're now swinging into out or maybe [crosstalk 00:16:03]
Chuck Quinton: Whatever, but that's why we have to understand that, yes, you can push off the right if this is working correctly. So I'm shifting hard, get that hip out of the way, and then I can use the right to help. Nope. Don't turn your hip.
Student: Wait, I thought I was supposed to turn my hip.
Chuck Quinton: No, no, no. Upper body.
Chuck Quinton: There you go.
Student: So I'm not really turning my hip at all.
Chuck Quinton: Well you turned it 20 degrees, but you feel that it's not turning. That's the trick.
Student: Yeah. I thought you were turning this 45 degrees and your hips 45 degrees.
Chuck Quinton: You do, but this goes first.
Student: Yep. Okay, so that was my ...
Chuck Quinton: There you go, and keep going, and then the hips have gotta come in to help you finish.
Chuck Quinton: Technically they are turning a little bit at the beginning, but you're gonna feel much more movement from the upper body, because at some point you've gotta get at least 45 degrees of separation. Keep this knee anchored into the ground so it's nice and solid.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Now you're starting to feel just a little better as you keep turning your ribcage. Keep turning. Keep turning. All the way. There you go. Don't look out there. Look down like you're looking at a ball. There you go. Good. Now, kind of sit into this left leg. There you go, and then push it back [inaudible 00:17:14] as you stay in your posture. So imagine that I had a string tied to this first button, and it's anchored to the ground. That string can't go slack, and you can't pull it out of the ground.
Student: Right. Yeah.
Chuck Quinton: Turn your upper body. Keep going. Good. Stand. Good. There you go. Relax that right leg. Let all your weight stack into that left leg now.
Chuck Quinton: Good! There you go.
Student: That's weird! That's a lot weirder than where I was before.
Chuck Quinton: Weird is relative right? If I did what you did, I'd be like, man, this feels really weird.
Student: Yeah. I'm not saying wrong. I just spent a month probably working on a lot of the wrong things.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Good. Make sure you load up on that right leg as you ... There you go. Feel some right glute activation there. Shift over. Sit into that left. Stay down. Stay down. Stay down. Don't push It.
Student: Yeah. That's-
Chuck Quinton: So you're pushing hard off the right because I can see your hip moving into [crosstalk 00:18:14] So go do it again, and I hope you'll feel this.
Student: Yeah. Sorry. It takes me a while to connect everything.
Chuck Quinton: No. You're doing good. Turn back. Good. There you go. Finish your turn. Now I'm only gonna allow you to move from the left side, so I'm gonna hold onto your right. So just focus on feeling over here, doing all the movement. There you go. Don't push up off the right. There you go. Good. Close your shoulders.
Student: I'm just trying to get back to the not thinking too much about ... If I'm coming back here, and going ... So I get the concept of shifting, but I'm pushing too much here.
Chuck Quinton: Correct.
Student: And I know the pulling concept. So there's ...
Chuck Quinton: When you finish right there, and your hip's out of the way, I can lift my right foot up, and it's not doing anything right now. Right? Where you're probably gonna feel like, oh, I'm actually pushing it into the ground. So the first trick is to feel that. So I want you to go to the top again, take that, and I want you just to solely concentrate on this. I want your right leg to feel like I [inaudible 00:19:26] and you have to move, doing nothing but moving from over here. This is gonna be totally relaxed. Start down, just use your left ... There you go! [inaudible 00:19:35] and then this is just being told what to do by the left. [inaudible 00:19:47] So the shoulders are just gonna get opened by your hips, not the other way around.
Student: Oh, interesting.
Chuck Quinton: Keep your shoulders back. Go to the top for me and, when your chest is pointing at those bushes, I want you to try and keep it there. So now, keep your chest pointing at those bushes, and move from your left hip. Bingo. Now look where your shoulders are. They're square, but you're used to doing this every time. That make sense?
Chuck Quinton: So all of a sudden, when you think about once you turn back, use that as your reference point, and keep everything back there but, as I'm doing this, I'm trying to get my hip to bring everything back down, and then all of a sudden I'm dead squared impact.
Student: [inaudible 00:20:27]
Chuck Quinton: That's the right side. You feel that?
Chuck Quinton: That's moving you up and in. So you're just gonna feel left side. Left [crosstalk 00:20:38] this way.
Student: That's going back.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Good. Yep. Just gotta go back that way.
Student: Yeah. This would've been much easier to learn this at six.
Chuck Quinton: You started a little late in life, but the whole thing is, everything that you're learning right now is 90% of the swing.
Student: I appreciate that.
Chuck Quinton: So if you just get this little body stuff, literally the whole golf swing is this. There. How much do my hips move? Not much. I check my right glute, shoulders are closed, and now all I gotta do from here to make the entire downswing work is use just my left hip and left leg to turn my shoulder. There you go! You kept your shoulders square that time. Nice. There you go, and your right leg's chilling out. Push down a little bit. Down. There you go.
Student: Yeah. I keep popping out.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. There you go, and that's the swing. Once this stuff works right, we've just gotta get these arms to play nicely with that. There you go. You feel your left hip, left glute working there now? Better. Good. Stay right there. How much weight do you have on your right foot?
Student: Too much, probably.
Chuck Quinton: Mm-hmm (affirmative). There you go. Just a little bit like that, and that allows you to get that hit, and back it out of the way easier.
Chuck Quinton: Nice. There you go. That sounds like an R8. There you go.
Student: Should this knee be moving in that much?
Chuck Quinton: Moving in, in what direction?
Student: This way.
Chuck Quinton: It doesn't need to move very much, right?
Chuck Quinton: So go ahead, and go back all the way to the top. All the way to the top. Finish. There you go. Make sure you're shifting over here on this right. There you go. That's about how much your knee's gonna go. Going back. There you go. Better. Little less hip rotation at the start of the backswing.
Chuck Quinton: Good, good, good, good, good. Do it one more time. Just don't let this left knee kick in so much as you go back. Good. Good. There you go. Now use that left leg. Nice! Way better. Relax your shoulders. Remember to try to keep them back there at the bush. Don't try and turn them at all. Go through it really slow so that you can kind of see how long you can keep your chest pointing back there at those bushes. Good. Now really slow, keep your ... There you go! Now you're dead square. That's perfect. That time you did it.
Student: Interesting. Okay.
Chuck Quinton: Nice. Really good. Almost! That was not as good as before you let your shoulders open up, but look at the difference here. That guy looks like a pro golfer.
Student: Yeah. It looks better.
Chuck Quinton: Look at that turn. Perfect. I can take every PGA tour pro on the planet, and put you up side by side with them, your lower body, upper body, everything's gonna look identical.
Student: Yeah. It's just the next 80% [crosstalk 00:24:31]
Chuck Quinton: Well this is doing pretty good. Shoulder's opened up a little bit, but not bad. Look at your left hip.
Student: And when you say the word shoulders opened up, you just mean they're unwinding that way?
Chuck Quinton: Yep. You keep your chest pointing back there at those bushes as long as humanly possible.
Student: Okay, so that makes sense to me.
Chuck Quinton: Good. Just relax that left shoulder. There you go. Good. Now just keep your chest pointing back there at the bushes, and just use your lower body. To get your back out of the way, you've gotta push [crosstalk 00:25:07]
Student: Yeah. This is knocking me over.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly.
Student: It's too much thinking.
Chuck Quinton: That's okay. The learning process is chunky and clumsy at first. Shift, nice and slow, bring your hip back this way while you keep your chest to the bushes, and then you're done. That will bring the club literally all the way to the top, and all the way to impact.
Student: Yeah. I just started thinking ... Hold onto that right.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Finish your turn. Nice! That was really good. That feels different than what you've been practicing, you're telling me.
Student: Yes. Yes, and let me be a good example to you of not everyone who's been ... I've been watching your stuff now. For a year I've gone to the clinic. Completely accept responsibility for not getting everything, but it shows you how hard it is for some of us to learn it.
Chuck Quinton: Well, like I said, I think some of the new stuff we can do will help make the learning process online a little bit more specific. Now, people seeing it with other amateur golfers, it makes a lot of sense. Good. You even got your right foot to roll in. I love it. It's perfect.
Student: Now that's ... I mean, now go back to the videos, it makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: That's what everybody says.
Student: But this is ... and I've listened to other people have this dynamic, so yeah. Hopefully that'll help.
Chuck Quinton: Well it's gonna be like going, when you watch the videos now, it's gonna be like going from black and white to color. Shift. Post up. There you go. Awesome. Good! You're doing really well.
Student: This is still coming up though.
Chuck Quinton: Progress.
Chuck Quinton: Looking perfection, yet looking for progress. Turn, turn, turn, turn, turn. There you go. Good. Grab that club, flip it upside down. Do the same thing.
Student: Yeah. What's the upside down club for? I know you've mentioned this at some point.
Chuck Quinton: So much momentum and mass is generated by the club head. You're just gonna start using your hands to try and control it.
Student: Oh! Got it, got it, got it.
Chuck Quinton: Turn your ribcage. Excellent. Good. Stay right there. Relax that wrist. Have it set right there. Now come down from there. Relax the wrist. Good. Do that with a little bit of pace.
Student: Yeah. It's gonna take some time.
Chuck Quinton: That's okay. You're way further along than you think, and I'm gonna show you on video in just a sec.
Student: I just need to get this started.
Chuck Quinton: All right. Let's take a quick look at that. I'm gonna show you a couple little corrections. One, you mentioned this right shoulder blade. You're making rotation a little bit more complex than it needs to be.
Student: Oh, I'm sure.
Chuck Quinton: Well it's normal because this right shoulder blade glide thing has been one of the most clever things I've come up with and the bane of my existence at the same time because people then just start trying to just move that shoulder blade. You're just turning like you're talking to me. Just turn your whole rib cage like you're talking, right? It's not anymore complicated than that, and it's not just coming from that right shoulder blade. Your obliques are your primary rotators, so you're just turning your ribcage like we're talking, like you're gonna hand me that bucket of balls. Make it simpler, but watch now with where we're at. So you'll see, as I see, were working that right shoulder.
Student: Yeah. Exactly.
Chuck Quinton: That's why I say that but, your head moved off a little bit more than I wanted, but otherwise we're pretty darn good here. Now look at the downswing.
Student: Yeah. That's much different.
Chuck Quinton: That's a golf swing! Look at how much more lag you have now, and you're not thinking about your arms, you're not thinking about your swing plane, you're not thinking about lag.
Student: No, I get that, and that's what's very helpful about the site, to help you think about that, and not worry about that. It's just getting this feel for this.
Chuck Quinton: This is everything.
Student: This weird thing.
Chuck Quinton: It's weight shift and core rotation, the only thing I really care about, and the rest of it is simple. If you get this right, the rest of it is easy.
Student: Yeah, and that actually makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: Do the same drill. Good. Let's take one quick look there. So now, what we want to see is, did that swing plane, that big over the top move you have, change? See, look at that, club's coming down on plane. Isn't that weird? Look at that. Right down your target line. Look at that, coming from the inside.
Student: Yeah, and that's a completely different move. [inaudible 00:29:54]
Chuck Quinton: Isn't that weird? We didn't try and do anything to your swing plane, but your swing plane went from 10 degrees out to in, to 2 degrees in to out.
Student: And that, in what you're teaching, makes a lot of sense to someone listening to it. It's just feeling it, and I think there are, what is it? Seven different modalities for people to learn, and a lot of people, I think, inherently need to feel it.
Chuck Quinton: Sure, sure.
Student: But the logic all makes a lot of sense.
Chuck Quinton: Nice. That was good. Really fluid. So good! Keep doing it.
Student: Another 3,500 times.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah, but you've got three in a row. That's progress.
Student: I've gotta get off this. I thought that was ... So I'm just rotating.
Chuck Quinton: Just turn. There you go. Much better. Dude, so good. So good! Here, he looks like a pro. Look at the lag.
Student: Yeah, no. I see where the lag's coming from now, when I didn't feel it before.
Chuck Quinton: So this is where you started. A little different at the top.
Student: Yep. Yep.
Chuck Quinton: That's a big difference, right? You don't recognize those two, but the big thing is the widening of that angle. So when your left arm's parallel to the ground, right about there, that shaft should be kind of somewhere in that ballpark, right?
Chuck Quinton: Sorry.
Student: I get it. I get it. No problem.
Chuck Quinton: [inaudible 00:31:57] Left arm parallel down. These two golfers couldn't have anything less to do with each other. This is a 15 handicap, and this is a 5 or a 0.
Student: Yeah, and I get the ...
Chuck Quinton: It's perfect. We look at your swing over here, your hand's in the same spot.
Student: Yeah, no. I know the ... So let me ask you one question. I thought I was a little closer, but I wasn't on this.
Chuck Quinton: Look at that left knee moving [inaudible 00:32:53]
Student: So it's the same problem.
Chuck Quinton: [inaudible 00:32:58]
Student: Yeah. So it's the same problem.
Chuck Quinton: This movement, that you're doing here, is excellent.
Chuck Quinton: That is picture perfect and then, from there, all you've gotta do is release the club.
Student: Yeah, and it feels much different than what I'm doing. So if I'm listening to things you're saying, I don't have to worry about this and back, I just need to basically rotate and, by doing that, my weight will start to shift.
Chuck Quinton: Yes and no. I mean you can still reverse hip shift, but you reverse hip shifting because [crosstalk 00:33:35] The way I like to think about this, I want you to increase the pressure on your right foot as you go back.
Student: But I've been doing that.
Chuck Quinton: When you were doing it like this, right?
Student: Yeah, but even when I'm not I'm ... Even if I do that ... So this part is, I guess, in understanding the bad, I've just gotta get back like that.
Chuck Quinton: There. Yep. Get that left hip. Push it out of the way. There you go. Good.
Student: It's helpful to think about holding it, holding my chest out there, as well.
Chuck Quinton: The video on the site for that is ... Keep the rear shoulder back, as if you're looking for this. I'm just gonna hold this. Come on down. There you go. Perfect.
Student: That's weird, particularly once you get a right hand on it.
Chuck Quinton: It is gonna feel weird, for sure, but you've gotta understand what you're really trying to do with a golf swing. People think the golf swing is by turning your ribcage and swinging to a full follow through. In fact, a lot of instructors actually teach you from follow through back. I couldn't care less about the follow through because the ball doesn't care. I use it as a diagnostic tool, but what you're really trying to do is not swing and rotate your body through. That's not a golf swing. What you're trying to do is, from back here, throw that club head at the ball as hard as you can.
Student: Yeah, and a couple times I've hit it right, and gotten lag. I felt that.
Chuck Quinton: Keep your shoulder back. Shift. There you go! Awesome. Flip the club right side up. Let's see if we can take that step. I think you can.
Student: Yeah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Chuck Quinton: Let's take a look. Beautiful, and going back. So good. So good. Look at your lower body! [inaudible 00:35:32] That's way too much lag, but [crosstalk 00:35:39]
Student: I'll get rid of it when I get the right hand. Don't worry.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect.
Chuck Quinton: I can't make you any better than that.
Student: So I don't shift too much. I'm trying to hold that, and then keep my shoulders open.
Chuck Quinton: Yep. Keep your shoulders closed. There. That's perfect.
Student: Yes, I mean back. Sorry. I know what you mean.
Chuck Quinton: So good! So good. Get one from down the line and check the plane. Relax that arm. See, you start to pull the arm down. Relax it.
Student: It's a big problem I have.
Chuck Quinton: Just focus on your lower body, and keep the arms and club at the top. Leave them up there. Opened up too soon, even more. Now that you've got a club in your hands, you're trying to swing the club.
Chuck Quinton: Swing your body. Almost there. Go to the top again. Let me give you one more last little unique feeling. Go to the top.
Student: Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to ...
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Okay. Now stay here. Now imagine I'm gonna fight you. I'm gonna hold this [inaudible 00:37:07] so you've gotta use your legs, your big muscles to bring this club down.
Student: Like that. Yeah.
Chuck Quinton: Keep the left shoulder down. This is what brings the club down on the inside, but you have to imagine that you're leaving that club up there, and it's just your trunk. Your weight shift and rotation's gonna bring the club down. There you go.
Student: Yeah. That was my whole problem at the clinic. Still way too much arm.
Chuck Quinton: And even there, you're still pulling it down, so go to the top again. You didn't do it when you had the club flipped right side up, or upside down. Sorry.
Student: That's interesting.
Chuck Quinton: Again, once you feel that mass in your hands, things change.
Student: I'm sorry. So when I'm going back, I'm lifting this up.
Chuck Quinton: You are.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect. Now keep that there and shift [inaudible 00:38:00] There you go. Way better! Almost! You need to get posted up before that club hits the ground. So go to the top and stop again. Come halfway down, and I want your hand to stop right there. Stop right there. Perfect. You see how your knee's still bent? You don't have enough time to stop. You're late.
Student: That's what I always do.
Chuck Quinton: So here, now start. Shift. Do what you're doing. Shift and post up. Now once you're fully posted up, that's when your hand should be there.
Student: So I should be fully posted up like this.
Chuck Quinton: When you're doing this drill, absolutely.
Chuck Quinton: Technically it's gonna happen a little bit [crosstalk 00:38:40]
Student: Close enough.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly.
Chuck Quinton: But if you're down there, and you're still soft at impact, you're gonna keep pulling your arm down too soon. There you go. So you've gotta wait. Give this hip time to get out of the way.
Student: I completely understand. I've just gotta find the feel.
Chuck Quinton: There. Stay back. There you go. Keep your chest back here. Give your hips time to get down out of the way.
Student: Yeah. It feels much more natural without the weight of the club.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly. That's why we do it this way. There you go. Be really patient. Leave the club at the top. There you go! That was good. Did you feel it's almost like a pause?
Student: Well it was helpful to remember try to hold my chest there as much as possible.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect.
Student: That was a good ...
Chuck Quinton: Keep your chest back. Excellent. Much better.
Student: That's the image that really is ...
Chuck Quinton: Good.
Student: Yeah. That's very helpful.
Chuck Quinton: Cool. It's gonna feel really funky when you start to hit balls because you're gonna square. You're gonna hit them about 40 yards right because you're so used to firing and opening, right?
Chuck Quinton: But that's the normal feelings. You're gonna feel like you stay shut, shut, shut, shut, shut, post step, and then release.
Student: Right and, when I'm doing the nine to three, I'm going out like that.
Chuck Quinton: Yep, and you do the same thing. You leave your chest back. Exactly. Bingo. Get that hip out of the way soon.
Student: That was a little awkward.
Chuck Quinton: Yep. There you go. You feel how that posting it move is what's snapping the club at the bottom, too. You keep your wrists off. There you go.
Student: I find if I just can hold my chest there, like you said, everything naturally unwinds.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly, because then you have to use your lower body to bring the club down. You don't have a choice. That's why it's [inaudible 00:40:55]
Student: You almost don't think about it, for me, as long as my chest stays there.
Chuck Quinton: Exactly. You don't have to. It's all lower body that's gonna bring it down. Nice! Let me get one more [inaudible 00:41:16] I want you feel like you leave it at the top. Leave your shoulders back. Good. One more. Let's take a quick look.
Student: Yeah. That's a much different swing.
Chuck Quinton: Night and day.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect impact position.
Student: Yeah. That was very helpful to try to think about all the other ... If I can just hold it back.
Chuck Quinton: When you had the right arm on there, go through those steps, right? So the first one is just mirror it, and don't touch.
Student: Right. Yep. Yeah, no. I've done that.
Chuck Quinton: Good. Good! Good correction. You caught that. There you go.
Student: Yeah. It all feels normal if I stay back there.
Chuck Quinton: There you go. Good. That's how you start hitting balls. Don't worry about where they go, or any of the contact, any of that stuff. It's getting used to sequencing the downswing. That's all that really matters, right?
Student: Yeah, no, and you've said that a million times as I listened to it. That holding my body was, I've been trying to figure out what that trick is.
Chuck Quinton: See, I would go back and watch that video. Just go onto the site and type in rear shoulder.
Student: I have to be honest. You can watch the video 1,000 times until someone gives you the one visual image that ... at least the way I learned. Now it makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: Good. So it all makes sense?
Student: Yeah. It completely makes sense. Come back next year and we'll be playing scratch golf together.
Chuck Quinton: Perfect. I like it. So first thing's first, lower body. If the lower body's out of wack during that first part of the backswing, I don't care about the rest of it.
Student: Completely get it.
Chuck Quinton: It's not gonna happen, right? So stabilize that knee, and just work on rotation, and just, again, shoulders perpendicular your spine. As you're going to the top, as you start down, you're just gonna feel like what you did. You're gonna keep your chest back here at these bushes the whole time, and as long as your hips work-
Student: And your body just pulls you.
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. Exactly. Your shoulders have to come back to square if your hips are open. They're attached. Right? It's just learning how to use your legs to bring the club down instead of your right shoulder and right arm, and the rest of it's just slowly putting that right hand back on there. So good! Let's get one video. I want to just make sure, when you have the right arm on there, that we're not losing too much lag, which it didn't look like, but I want to watch you do one more practice swing, and then we can hit a ball.
Student: That's helpful because, if I am, I think I'll understand what to do.
Chuck Quinton: At first glance, it looked pretty stellar. Let's just make sure. Lower body came in a little bit. Not as good as, again, when you stack one piece too many-
Student: Go back.
Chuck Quinton: You'll lose a little bit, but that's normal. That ...
Student: Yeah. That's better.
Chuck Quinton: I wanna know who that guy is. Ten times better. Let's try and hit one ball like that.
Chuck Quinton: I would prefer that you shank it, miss it, skull it. All I want to see is the movement.
Chuck Quinton: Yep. You went right back to it.
Student: I went back to doing the same thing?
Chuck Quinton: Yeah. It's normal.
Student: Of course, I did.
Chuck Quinton: That's why I said you have to put 100% of your focus into that left hip and keeping a shoulder back for right now. Left knee broke in a little bit. Not too bad, but then there's the arms moving first. See how your left knee is just buckled in? Has no time to get out of the way when you cast it.
Chuck Quinton: Okay?
Student: That makes sense.
Chuck Quinton: So that's normal.
Student: Let's try it one more time, and see if I've got it.
Chuck Quinton: Nope. So, not ready for that step yet. You can hit balls. Right hand's gotta come off first, right? But you've got the drill. Now you've seen on video. It's perfect, right? When you go to hit balls, I'd put a ball on a tee and go left arm all the way, and then once you get comfortable with that, and you're like, okay, I can actually make contact, and get all this stuff working, then slowly put that right hand back on there.
Student: Yeah. I know it's gonna take a long time, but this other stuff is ...
Chuck Quinton: [crosstalk 00:46:52] It's about 10 days to really get comfortable doing left arm only stuff. 10 to 14 days.
Student: Yeah, but I'm comfortable keep repeating the drills. That's helpful. Is it possible to get a copy of the video you did, because I'll hear your wording on it.
Chuck Quinton: Well we're gonna put it up there. If you're okay with it, we'll put it up and you'll see the whole thing.
Student: Oh my gosh.
Chuck Quinton: What? You're gonna be proud. You're gonna see all these big rockstar changes you've made.
Student: Yeah. Now I've just gotta remember them.
Chuck Quinton: Well it'll be up there forever, so you'll be able to see it forever.
Student: That's right. No, that's very helpful.
Chuck Quinton: Cool. You've got it, sir. That looks so good!
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