Arms vs. Body Release in the Golf Swing

Learn WHY rotating your body through the hitting area can slow the clubhead down and also be putting your back in harms way. No more spinning your chest through the hitting area...even if Nick Faldo tells you to do so while he is commentating.

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Stephen
Watched this vid many times and also 5 mins to a perfect release vid but think I’m missing something. I’m interpreting these instructions as consciously turning my hands/forearms over at a point of release. But I become more inconsistent and hit shorter shots!….presumably because I can’t ‘time’ the correct point to consciously do this. So is Chuck asking us to engage hands/forearms in order to release the club or is he saying something different?
June 27, 2022
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Stephen, all the videos on the release on the site are very specific to say you don't want to actively engage the forearms, it is a passive rotation that occurs because of the mechanics of the arm and the inclined plane of the club.
June 28, 2022
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Nathan
Noted, I see what you mean as we speak. Regarding getting to the release, when I take my backswing and everything is loaded up perfect to where I feel like I am going to fall forward into the left side, when I do transition, I feel most of the weight is on the left leg, but when I pull and release I’m hitting straight balls about 20 to 30is yards to the right, any ideas why that would be? Am I not getting my post up move correct? I tried keeping my head back a few times but that felt like my hips were wanting to spin out and my right heel was coming off the ground to fast. Any insight?
May 3, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nathan. Either the post isn't clearing correctly. Or, you are spinning the shoulders a bit too much which is delaying the release of the club causing thee push. Take a look at Fix the Two Way Miss Video to get the club releasing. Then, start making it back more dynamic.
May 3, 2021
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Nathan
Hello Craig, after many videos and time on the range I think I’m missing this one piece, a bit more clarity would be appreciated, I’m a scratch golfer on the mountain tour in the Carolinas. My question is, when I fall into the left side and my sequencing is correct, the hips stall, and the upper body catches up into the post move, why would I not want to feel like my upper body is turning and pulling left to get my left hip and shoulder up and in, for the club to move down and out? I know feel and real are taboo lol but for my caliber it feels like my upper body from my obliques are turning left and lagging the club, and at the last second snapping into the ball and it flies straight.
May 2, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nathan. The spinning of the shoulders/chest will create the throw too soon. You are creating centripetal forces and the effect with be centrifugal force on the club. This will throw lag earlier in a lead side motion. It also ties the speed of the club to the rotating body. It will release at the speed of which you rotate versus independently of the body which will hurt speed/effortlessness. The club needs to square the face and not the body. Now, you can switch to a trail side release which has different parameters of the shoulder rotation. But, in a lead side release rotating the chest won't force the lead hip to clear and will tend to throw lag/slow down chs/ and make the squaring of the face more manual.
May 3, 2021
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John
I think a pro can turn his body at about 3 mph vs. the amateur who is lucky to turn 2 mph, if that. By turning my lower body (not chest) 1 mph faster, this is HUGE. And my very loose wrists and powerless arms go flying faster, with just a 1 mph increase in hip turn. My lower body leads the downswing, as Chuck teaches, and there is a lOT of speed at the right moment. Just need this clarified. If I turn the core just a tad faster, my attached arms have to travel faster and if my wrists are LOOSE, then the club head does turn or release or roll over much faster and I hit it farther. This is my understanding of the physics. But there is a "stalling out." No doubt about that. I see my hips stall for a brief nanosecond and then they complete the turn, just like Chuck's. But there is SPEED in that core all timed right to hit it a long way.
February 3, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. The legs and core will be the driving force. As you stated, just not the shoulders. The sequence starts from the ground up, but I think you are on the right track with the picture in your head. Like the Golf Downswing Sequence Drill. Throwing something heavy like a medicine ball would force you to do the same activation.
February 4, 2021
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John
Okay I just joined RS golf and love the teaching. It supports the physics of swinging a golf club in the most efficient way. But, in this video Chuck talks about turning the upper body FAST which I never do as a low-handicapper. However, I do turn my hips FAST (as does Chuck)! This fast turning core (not the shoulders) plus loose wrists and powerless arms produces my speed. I agree that my lower body "stalls out" to release the club, but why isn't it made clear that the lower body and hips do TURN FAST in the correct sequence? If I just swung and released my wrists without loading and unloading in the proper sequence, then my wrist release would only hit it 70% of the distance, if that far. I can swing about 85 mph, maybe 90, with just my wrists and no body or shoulder movement. Then if I add my core, I get over 100, and then if I sequence the lower body I am currently at about 110 mph and I am 67 years young! Been playing golf all my life. But this particular video confuses me. I see Chuck's overall swing and his lower body is turning as fast as Tiger's or almost as fast. Hence, he hits a 7 iron 200 yards! Amazing. But without that fast-turning core (not shoulders) he wouldn't hit it out of his shadow, even with a great "release" of the wrists. Please explain. Thanks!!!
February 3, 2021
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Glad you are enjoying the site. The video above is more just a mere explanation that the chest doesn't square the club, but the body stalls to allow the forearm to transfer over. There are a few videos (more in live lessons) that Chuck talks about muscle fiber recruitment for speed. Yes the core has to be moving and not the shoulders. They will get pulled be reaction of the core/legs. The oblique will be responsible for open the hip which is part of the core. You can see some of the data in the Tour Pro Downswing Sequence Drill, You Hit the Golf Ball with Your legs, etc. We have some newer videos coming out this year with more empirical data to help describe the answers you are looking for.
February 4, 2021
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donn
The body movements have added about 30+ yards to my drive and I am fairly straight. However I continued to fight coming over the top - which was highlighted by my concept of the release. Tonight I watched a Tiger Woods video in super slow motion again and again (while keeping what chuck teaches in mind/analysis). I noticed Tiger rolled his lead wrist UNDER while his forearms rotated. I've heard chuck talk about this in a video - but never quite grasped this and how it works. In fact, I still do NOT understand fully the mechanics of how works. To highlight the concept even more - I sat forward on my recliner and with a club in left hand - club head on the hard surface floor - made the UNDER rotation of the wrist while keeping my arms still (just rotated the forearm). IF I made my old swing, the club head would have to come up off the floor - and due to the weight of the club - this is only possible by using the back hand (right hand in my case). However when I rolled my wrist under the club head just slides along the floor and naturally turns over. (this happens so naturally in the left hand - AMAZING!) And the amount of distance that the club head travels by making such a tiny move with the wrist is also amazing -- I understand that chuck teaches this - but if you are a high handicap like me with uncertainty of what the release is/or feels like - then old habits tend to return or never leave. By doing this movement in my chair with the club head on the floor it is SO EASY TO FEEL THE PROPER RELEASE! I am so encouraged - I just wanted to share my discovery with anyone else who is struggling with understanding the release. It is not just rotating the forearms - it is the rotation of the forearms while rolling the lead wrist under. Thanks again to Chuck and everyone at Rotary Swing -
August 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Donn. Thanks for the insightful post and new feelings. Should be helpful to the members to view it from another perspective. Much appreciated for the compliments of the site and staff.
August 25, 2020
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Shawn
RSG, I am playing better than I have ever played, Hitting father straighter and with so much constancy its so much fun. Even had a buddy I have played with saying my drives look like pro golfers. I am have some pain my left thumb knuckle at palm and left shoulder on the front of the shoulder. Where am I going wrong in the release cause thats when I feel the most discomfort.
July 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Shawn. Sounds like you are pulling through with the lead arm/shoulder. Take a look at Moving the Fulcrum and Left Thumb Pain Videos. Love the great news. Keep getting those great drives.
July 27, 2020
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Shawn
Thank you Craig, I don't have wear on the thumb of my glove or the grip, it really feels like i'm trying to stop the club in my follow through with my thumb. Now since nothing it really what it seems in the golf swing. Is this something that might be seen in a review?
July 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Shawn. Might be able to catch it in a review. However, if you think it is in the follow through. Let yourself finish. Allow the momentum to carry you after you release the club. You could be prematurely trying to stop everything instead of allowing your self to finish and safely decelerate.
July 27, 2020
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Ramey
I am able to release properly from wedges all the all the way through hybrids. With my 3w and driver, i either hit a slice (occasional power fade in play) or a pull, nothing straight. I am a shoulder spinner and know that is the culprit, but why is it so much more difficult with driver and 3w? I am hitting my irons further than ever before on week 3 of the program. But I still cant hit my driver straight, thoughts? something i should try differently?
May 16, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ramey. The driver and 3 wood have a longer shaft. With the added radius it feel like the head has a lot of weight. A driver can effectively weigh 100 pounds at impact. The key is to actually do less. Take a look at You Throw the Club Head at the Golf Ball Video.
May 16, 2020
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Michael
Chuck, I am getting stuck at the point of impact, no room to swing because my arms are too close to my body..am I not keeping my shoulders square or what?This only happens with iron shots, teed up swings are fine
May 3, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. We would need to see if to find the culprit. But, it sounds like some trail arm issue and lack of getting the lower body out of the way. Take a look at the Play the Best Golf of Your Life in 6 Weeks Video 4 of 6. Great sequence drill.
May 4, 2020
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Michael
Please comment about the relationship between the left arm dropping into the slot at the post up and the left arm rotation on the downswing as described in other videos. Is the latter a learned movement or a result of something else? Thanks.
March 8, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. If you haven't released the club properly then you will have to train the rotation (5 Minutes to the Perfect Release). The eventual goal when you post is to trigger the release and not inhibit proper club rotation.
March 8, 2020
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Kevin
If we focus more on this arms release I would think this would help shoulder spinners like myself. If the arms release the shoulders should quiet down - I struggle with flipping : hooking it left sometimes but will work on this more - picture from this weekend looks like my weight is on my left toe too much
March 2, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. Yes, it looks like the weight went towards the lead toe and the lead wrist hinged too soon. Better release will require less shoulder spin and dive towards the ball.
March 2, 2020
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Matt
Working on the 9 to 3 drill but have a problem with my knee , On the post up move does your knee have be straight or can it have a slight bend ? I been working on it but I can’t put my knee straight
January 14, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matt. Passively straight. You don't want the lead leg locked out. More like standing straight up and down talking to someone. It can give you more speed, but at a cost.
January 14, 2020
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Matt
Thank you Craig I will keep doing what I have been doing thanks again
January 14, 2020
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marshall
Does holding off the release of the hands and continuing the turn produce the chicken wing?
January 12, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marshall. It can, but becomes even more prominent with the addition of trail hand usage. Take a look at Cure Chicken Wing in the Golf Swing Video.
January 12, 2020
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John
When I slow the body down all that happens is that I lose 30 yards of distance. I have had some luck trying to keep my back to the target but my distance is still very poor. I would be helped by advice on how things should feel as I execute the downswing.
January 11, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Feel can be a little subjective when teaching the full execution. If you are struggling with speed you are not transferring the energy properly. Take a look at How Swing Speed Affects Compression Video to help.
January 11, 2020
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E G
Just been to the Physio yesterday for manipulation for hip and back aggravated injury and was told that speed rotation was a probable cause. Thus it's rest and recover and work on your instruction. Thanks
January 11, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello E G. Exactly. Think of Tiger's back. Ouch. Tiger moved away from this release which caused the same issue. I wonder why he is now back to releasing the club this way .
January 11, 2020
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Kevin
This is a great video and as I understand it compliments the “penetrating wedge shots” video. Shorter finesse shots require more of a body release per the short game videos. At what distance would you say you change from the conventional rotary swing release to a body release - 100 yards and in assuming a standard flighted wedge?
January 9, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. That may vary depending on the player. But, usually a 100 yards an in will not require a full bore stock shot and your focus starts getting more into finesse.
January 10, 2020
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James
Hi. My contact, release, and weight shift is definitely improving thanks to the Rotary system. My persistent problem is that I keep pulling the ball left. What do I need to do to correct this? Thank you! Jim G.
October 25, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Check to make sure your shoulders are square at impact and that you aren't flipping the release.
October 25, 2019
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James
Thank you Craig. Are there any specific drills you can recommend to correct this especially for flipping my hands? Thank you! Jim
October 25, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Flip vs Release. Play the Best Golf Of Your Life in 6 Weeks 2 of 6 Video. Perfecting Your Golf Impact Series.
October 25, 2019
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Mike
Morning guys . Working on the Downcock Pump Drill. It feels like the downcock triggers the weight shift as well as the a vertical drop of the arms . Feels right , but would like your opinion. Thanks , Mike
October 17, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mike. Weight shift will trigger the downcock. Take a look at Start the Downswing Before Completing the Backswing Video.
October 17, 2019
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Jens
Ok so pulling with the lat? You mean as in stretching it as i post up getting shoulder alligned with the hip, or rotating my torso?
September 5, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jens. The lead lat is going to aid more in pulling the arms in front of the torso. Take a look at the Left Arm Only Downswing Drill Video (LADD).
September 5, 2019
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Jens
My biggest issue with stalling the body through the hitting area is that as my hands flip (naturally, not drom exessive force) i simply have no forward shadt lean. If i dont keep some sort of body rotation through the hitting area, how do i maintain hands ahead of club at impact? Am i doing something wrong in my sequencing?
September 5, 2019
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Mikko-Pekka
Hello Jens. I have same problem. You just have to pull with the lead side. You don't want massive yank but a slight pull with lead lat. If you don't pull the trail side will take over messing things up. I have to force myself to pull. You may experiment this by taking right hand off completely. How is the movement now? If it works then do some reps with lead hand only. Then slooowwwwly bring that right hand back on. Adding the Trail Arm step 5 video will help with that.
September 5, 2019
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Scott
Many instructors (e.g. George Gankas) say that if you dont keep your chest turning through impact, the club face will tend to flip. He and others talk about the dangers of “stalling your pivot”. Can you please comment on this? RST wants the chest, body, pivot (whatever you call it) to slow down (hence stall) in order to let the arms release the club with speed. Is that correct? If so, what prevents the club face from closing too quickly?
August 21, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Scott. We have many videos discussing the proper release and why it is important. However, a few thoughts on the subject. You don't want the speed of the club head dependent on your chest rotation. That means to hit the ball further you have to rotate the body harder. Which in turn squishes every internal organ and puts massive strain on you spine. For Ex: Why we released a video in 2010 saying Tiger would blow out his back working on the swing changes with Foley. He went away from arms/hands release to a chest/body release. I think we all know how that turned out 2 years later. The club will only flip if you flip it. The key is letting the club do the releasing and not you manually flipping the hands over. Flip vs Release Video. The club is designed to rotate. You allow it to rotate and not force excessive manipulation on it.
August 21, 2019
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Craig, this question is, for me, to understand more about the forces that act within the body during downswing and release. As the club speeds up in the release, the centrifugal force pulls at your hands/arms. A normal reflex in your muscles is then to pull back in opposite direction. How can you learn to avoid this reflex force? Thanks for helping!
August 11, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marcel. Reflex of pulling back with the arms? Most players when releasing properly like the feeling of the club pulling them through. The big one is to make sure the body decelerates so the club can accelerate. Are you referring to the trail hand wanting to counter act? That's why the Vijay Drill and Step 5 are vital to make sure you don't try to restrict, or push with the trail hand through the release.
August 11, 2019
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Graig, maybe I used wrong words ( non native English speaker). What I mean is whe I feel the club pulling my arms/hands down and out I tend to pull my arms/hands towards my body as a contra force. Result is I often have toe hits.
August 12, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marcel. The toe hit is usually from coming a little out to in, or changing your fulcrum position. Also, can be trying to flip the club face over. I would practice smaller shots maintaining a good fulcrum position (Moving the Fulcrum Video and the Perfecting Your Golf Impact Position Videos 1-3 of 4). Staying in the shot better, but also hyper focus on tension free release will help with the anxiety to pull back into the strike.
August 12, 2019
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Graig, I think I found the reason ! Trained today on range and noticed my rear elbow was a little "flying". I focussed on pointing elbow strait down at end of backswing and improved impact and direction a lot. What drill would be best to do to work on this? Thanks for helping!
August 13, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marcel. 3 Functions of the Right Arm and Stop Overswinging Video.
August 13, 2019
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Nolan
Wedge shots should be more of a body release, right?
July 3, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nolan. Penetrating wedge shots and controlled wedges will be more of a body release.
July 3, 2019
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Paul
Hi guys, I sm used to rotating shoulders through hitting area instead of releasing the arm.Any drills I can use to change this. Thanks.
June 6, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Paul. Take a look at Play the Best Golf of Your Life in 6 Weeks Video 2, 3, 4 of 6 Videos. Great succession of drills to help fix this issue.
June 6, 2019
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Giap
When I’m doing a arm release, my club path to be a lot to the right. What should I do?
March 2, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Giap. You need to get rid of your lag angle and swing on plane. Work on How Swing Speed Affects Compression to straighten out your delivery point.
March 2, 2019
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van
Chuck mentions the arm rotation as a means of developing speed in this video. Is the rotation something that I should concentrate doing or does it happen automatically as long as my upper body ( shoulders and wrists) are relaxed?
November 21, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Van. Automatically. If you have trained yourself to hold off. You may need some retraining to get out of the position. But, the goal is that the club releases and the forearms rotate as a byproduct of the stalled body.
November 21, 2018
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Mikko-Pekka
I was having a discussion about the release yesterday with my friend. I prefer the Arms Release and my friend Body Release. I understand that Body Release can cause back problems but is there any difference between the release types in terms of consistency? Arm Release seems to be very timing dependent?
October 2, 2018
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Tyler (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Mikko, the arms release also provides free swing speed because the arms are allowed to be fully extended at impact, causing the swing radius to be wider. 2 mph increase for every half inch of swing radius added. The arms release is also more versatile in terms of shaping shots, because the arms are given room to operate through the hitting zone rather than being stuck to your side per the body release. In regards to consistency, check out the moving the fulcrum video.
October 2, 2018
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Mikko-Pekka
Thank you for your reply. This makes sense. Many people and instructor seems to think that Arms Release is some sort of a flip and think that it is very inconsistent way to release a golf club.
October 2, 2018
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Tyler (Certified RST Instructor)
Its understandable because when you look at it, its easy to think that the right hand is doing the manipulating. But once you understand the concepts of pushing vs pulling, a proper release, and how the club is designed to rotate around the shaft, it all pieces together. There's no point in fighting physics. Fred Couples and Vijay are the best example of this. They literally do not have their right hands on the shaft right after impact and they are both miles longer than most people their age.
October 2, 2018
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Kim
I understand wanting to stop the upper body and letting the hand rotate through impact. I'm having difficulty getting to that point of release in front of my left thigh (instead of middle of my body) while having adequate shaft lean. I seem to want to rotate through the shot from the top therefore casting the club.
September 25, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kim. Try the sequence drills in Play the Best Golf Of Your Life in 6 Weeks Video 3 and 4 of 6.
September 26, 2018
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Yuefeng
I want to clarify the exact subtle body movement during the arm release. Is there a point near impact when shoulder is square to target, that the body rotation would almost completely stop and the hands very quickly by pass the body? Or is it more the body slows down to let the hands take over but continues to rotate through impact so that club face is not shut at a massive speed. I recently have started to suffer from snap hook which I think might be due to an exaggerated feel of the first way of release I described above.
August 20, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Yuefeng. The body will decelerate into impact. If you stall the upper half too soon and leave the shoulders closed you can hit a flip hook. Conversely, if you spin the shoulders with the proper hips you can also hit a hook.
August 20, 2018
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Yuefeng
Thanks Craig. So the correct feeling is more like what I said in my second interpretation, i.e. to let the body keep its natural turning without artificially restraining it as the arms are releasing? Also when you say spinning the shoulders could also lead to hook, did you mean actively rotation of the shoulders like the body release? I suppose that would cause a path related hook as opposed to a face related hook. Just want to clarify.
August 20, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Yuefeng. You can artificially restrain the body too much. For some it feels like a complete stop, others a quick deceleration. Tough to gauge based on feel though. The body needs to decelerate and allow the momentum of the release to pull you through. Yes, body releasing combined with an arms release will be left of left.
August 20, 2018
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Nick
A lot of good golfers use a more body release to keep the clubface more quiet through impact to avoid a hook e.g. Ben Hogan. My bad shot is a hook and I don't need any more release with the hands. Is what Chuck talking about more for the golfer that suffers from a slice, which is most golfers?
April 9, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nick. Hogan actually used more of his trail hand to push through impact to keep the face from shutting down (because he feared the hook). All golfers release the club. Some more efficient than the others. The reason Tiger blew out his spine is he focused more on getting his body to try and rotate effectively just as fast as the club. Body release when dealing with non-power shots can be useful. But, if you don't want to fight the design of the golf club and have effortless power. You need to let it go. RST is anti-hook. We want you to be able to release it as hard as possible and never hit it left. If you are hooking the ball. At some point you are steering the face shut and not letting the club work for you. Newton will do all the work if you let him.
April 9, 2018
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Nick
Hi Craig, thanks for the reply. When you say you want me to be able to release it as hard as possible and never hit it left.... what are you referring to? What is your definition of releasing it hard? Because if I release it hard e.g. roll my hands over so my wrists touch in the follow-through then I will hit the ball with a HUGE hook.
April 9, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nick. "Letting it go." Your hard release sounds like a flip of the face, or shutting down. The hands still work gradually through impact, but the club head is rotating fast. Take a look at Flip vs Release, Throw the Club Head at the Golf Ball and the Moving the Fulcrum Video. You can hit a hook by manipulating the face. I want the rotation due to the design of the club.
April 9, 2018
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Nick
I have just watched the flip vs release video. I think most of the time I do a pro flip as I'm a low handicap golfer. This would be because my right hand is too active. So what is the best thing to do to quieten down the right hand release through impact? Hit a lot of small shots with just the left hand?
April 9, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nick. Exactly. I force my better players to own the lead hand only release. Vijay Release Drill is a good place to start.
April 9, 2018
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Nick
Thanks Craig.
April 10, 2018
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Marc
Hi Craig, I was intrigued by this concept of the club face rotating the hands and after some experimentation I find it really works if I keep my hands very relaxed and loose, something which Chuck is mentioning. The result is amazing I am very happy with my 9 to 3 swings as I am able to keep my left bowed position during the release and I can definitely feel how the club face is accelerating through impact. The issue now is that when I these very soft hands is how I can prevent the club shaft from tipping over at the top of the backswing. The right thumb is supposed to provide this stability at the top so I keep the angle between the forearm and the shaft but if the hands are all loose and I create tension with my right thumb it is somehow going to screw up things with the right hand becoming more tense than the left, which might actually promote too much action on the right hand during the downswing. What do you think? Thanks, Marc
January 17, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marc. Both arms/hands have a role. The lead thumb will be a major factor of support at the top. Thats why we can do a lot of lead arm only swings without any issue. Keeping the hands soft and relaxed. You shouldn't have any problem at the top with both hands placed correctly. You must be trying to over use it for support instead of having balance.
January 17, 2018
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Marc
Hi Craig, Chuck is showing how he is rotating his hands as opposed to his body to release the club. What I see is that when his club is parallel to the ground after impact the back of his right hand is inclined with the palm pointing at the ground, which of course mirrors the inclined left hand that points at the ground. I can easily obtain this result when I use the left hand only with my left wrist supinating indepentently of my left elbow, which remains internally rotated. But when I use both hands I find the left arm is not strong enough to rotate my right hand; I always end up with the back of the right hand perpendicular to the ground whereas it should be inclined. Am I correct to think that the rotation of right forearm should not only involve the right wrist but also the right elbow. If I swing my arms without a club the way Chuck is showing when he is talking about the rotation of the hands, the whole right arm is rotating not just the right wrist. This could be the missing link for me Thanks
January 14, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hell Marc. It should be experienced more in the forearm and wrists. For right now, don't worry about forcing the trail to rotate over the lead. Let it remain a passenger, or fall off like the Vijay Release Drill.
January 14, 2018
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Marc
I think I have got it. Does it make any sense Craig to feel that during the follow through post impact the right arm is going up sliding across the right pec. I find that when this is happening the shoulders rotate less letting the arms do the work and I am able to keep the bow in my left hand much longer. Best, Marc
January 15, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marc. You may feel a little slide as the shoulder plane steepens somewhat into the follow through.
January 15, 2018
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Brian
What's the best drill to specifically work on this problem of overspinning the shoulders and not slowing them down at impact? I am starting to work on 5 minutes to perfect release but are there other drills as well? Thanks.
January 13, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Brian. The release drills and 5 Step System (Step 2,3, and 4) are the best to work on spinning shoulders.
January 14, 2018
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Konstantin
Hi, I am confused and need clarification. I understand the difference between body and arms release I think. During takeaway and back swing there is lots of energy built up and stored in the muscles. My question is when this energy is released if we do not let the upper body "uncoil" before the follow through? It might be a silly question but I really didn't find information about it. Many thanks.
October 23, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Konstantin. The energy is released from your levers and rotation. You are using the leverage pull from the ground (legs), lag and release of the wrist/forearm. That energy stored up is transferred because you don't spin and you had good muscle fiber recruitment on the way back. The shoulder uncoiling too soon would be a pushing motion not allowing you to transfer the energy. I know it sounds backwards. But, the less you try to uncoil the more your kinetic chain can efficiently decelerate and transfer the speed to the arms/hands.
October 23, 2017
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Bob
I do not understand what more I a am receiving in your new rst academy I get 2 free swing reviews I own a rotary connect device what else are you trying to sell me on this new program as I am still a premium member.
October 17, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Bob. You are getting access to what we work on and discuss during the clinics. The entire clinic over the internet instead of having to travel in person. Also, an interactive guide to follow how best to use the information we lay out in the clinic. Think of it like workout tapes you follow along with the instructor.
October 17, 2017
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david
I am a little confused by the passive hands moving due to club v.s. the left hand release drill. If the club will cause the hands to move then why do I need to do the left hand release drill? The impresson I get is that the hands drive the rotation.
September 21, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. The left hand release drill is to teach the proper mechanics. If a player has always been a flipper, pusher, scooper, etc. Then, they must learn and train the proper technique. Once the new motor pattern is in place. Your trigger will be to use the body and allow the club to rotate freely through the new positions.
September 21, 2017
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Yuefeng
Great illustration. Each time I come back to revisit I acquire a deeper understanding as my swing advances. I want to clarify if the body release would tend to cause an out to in swing path around the impact zone, as the body turn makes the club turning more quickly away from the target line. I went to a simulator a few weeks ago and was puzzled why my club path number tend to be a few degrees negative in general. Could the body release be the cause?
August 16, 2017
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Yep, too much body rotation in the downswing, in the hitting area and at the release point can cause the path to be more out to in for sure.
August 23, 2017
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Ms Terry
I can't get my forearms to touch when I am working on releasing my arms. Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong and what video to watch. Best Terry
June 9, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Terry. They don't have to touch. I effectively release the "you know what" out of the club, but mine don't rub against each other. But, I allow for a good crossover. Take a look at Fix Your Release and Vijay Release.
June 9, 2017
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Wayne
Another awesome video, Chuck. This is a HUGE error of mine and I really appreciate the help.
June 6, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Wayne. I'm glad you like the video.
June 9, 2017
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Matt
How does this work and keep the hands forward on the downswing/impact? I always feel like I'm going to keep that clubface wide open.
May 31, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matt. Take a look at You Throw the Club Head at the Golf Ball and Rotary Downswing Overview. You are allowing the club to swing and not fight the physics of its design.
May 31, 2017
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TOM
What has really helped me keep my right hand passive through the release is to wrap my right hand around the shaft with only my thumb & fingers touching each other... keeping the right hand grip very loose. While it works for me and helps me focus on better left arm/hand release, is this a good, advisable move? Thanks for all the great RST videos. Best golf swing videos in the business!!
April 30, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Thanks for the compliments. There is a purpose for the placement of those fingers on the trail hand with support at the top and adding speed from the trail hand. However, if it is allowing you to train the lead and keep the trail passive for right now. Master that lead side release without trail side push.
May 1, 2017
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gordon
I enjoyed the clarification of the difference between body and arm release, and understand the benefits for distance of the arm release approach. In fact release at impact is the key topic being worked on in my swing reviews. I am, however, a little confused about apparently contradictory advice I am being given, - not internally from RST I hasten to add. This advice concerns the head, and more specifically the spine. Watching pro videos the head stays still after impact until the arms are extended, which is what I have been aiming for in my reviews. External advice is that the head should not (be forced to) remain still, rather it should be allowed to turn and lift after impact. What is your advice regarding the motions of head and spine in the swing phase directly after impact? Perhaps this phase is different when a golfer is 66 and not 26? Much appreciate your clarification of this contradiction. Regards, Gordon.
April 29, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. The head will move in the swing due to weight shift. It would be hard to keep it completely centered throughout the swing and still transfer weight. However, during the release. The head should remain fairly quiet and down. The spine and tilt should remain stable as well. The momentum of a proper release should be pulling you through. I would work to stay quieter through impact and until you reach belt height.
April 29, 2017
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Justin
This has been really helpful, particularly the Vijay image . As I took the course , I noticed a gap on my grip on the follow through - the lifeline part of the right-hand comes off the club. Thoughts?
February 27, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Justin. If you are keeping the trail hand extremely passive and it starts to pull away a little in the release. I wouldn't worry about it at all right now.
February 28, 2017
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Yi
Will the post up of leading leg put a brake on the over turning or spinning and set the tone for a proper release? If it does, there will be no or less tendency to over spin the torso.
February 19, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Yi. Yes, proper posting will help you achieve a better release and deceleration of the body.
February 19, 2017
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Yuefeng
I can do the left arm only release pretty well. But with the right hand attached, it feels the right hand is a drag to the left hand when it comes to release rather than help. Is there any point where the right hand should start to contribute to the release rather than stay purely passive and slow the left hand down? I figure that's one of the key reasons I tend to do the body release to help square the club face. Thanks.
February 1, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Yuefeng. You really don't need to use the trail hand at all. It should be there more for stability purposes going back and not much else coming down. Only players that create too much lag and have a hard time getting rid of it should think about trail hand usage.
February 2, 2017
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Nick
My big problem is a hook. Wouldn't you have to be careful not to flip the club through the hitting area if you're using the hands to release the club otherwise you'll hit a big hook?
October 24, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Nick. If you flip or over steer the face you can shut the club down very quickly and hook the ball. You need to make sure the release is gradual. Take a look at Flip. vs Release in Golf.
October 25, 2016
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Ken
Watched the arms vs body release video. When you say the clubhead is constantly rotating in the swing are you saying that it's rotating relative to the path of the swing? That sounds like what I call a wipe. I was always taught the face should stay square to the path
October 22, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ken. Take a look at the Forearm Rotation in the Golf Swing for Power Video and the Using the Wrist Effectively and Efficiently Video.
October 22, 2016
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kenneth
i have stated the rst system and my left elbow is starting to hurt. the pain is on the inside of the elbow. what maybe causing this pain? ken bushnell5@suddenlink.net
October 3, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kenneth. Take a look at the Curing Golf Swing Elbow Pain Video.
October 4, 2016
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Tom
Please make a video of SLOW MOTION in ALL Planes with your arms turning over Thank You !!! Tom Lawson thomaswlawson@gmail.com
September 25, 2016
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Tom, we have several videos in the self analysis tool that show this stuff. However, we can work on creating newer videos in the near future. Also, it may be best to delete or edit your post, so you do not have you personal email information posted that a large amount of people can see.
September 29, 2016
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sambhu
Hey guys..great work...does the down swing and release entail compressijg the left hill and straightening the left leg( right handed golfers) which would drop the srms into the hitting atea AND release the club? Is that pretty much it? So no hitting with the right side? But more of weight transfer?
September 18, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Sambhu. Thanks for the compliments. Yes, no hitting from the trail side. Also, the legs and lead side will help you drop the arms into the hitting area. Take a look at How to Fix Plane and Path, Step 3 and 4 (RST 5 Step System) and You Hit the Golf Ball with Your Legs.
September 19, 2016
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Jesus
As always a thorough and straightforward explanation from Chuck. When following Chuck's instructions and letting the hands/arms roll over I pull the ball left or hook spin it and it goes left. I see the ball marks closer to the toe of the club face and I think it's because the club face is closed during impact. In order for me to hit the ball straight and not hook it, the "feeling" I have going through the ball, whether it is happening or not, is to hold that club face open/square through impact. What am I not understanding or doing wrong? I want to freely release properly through the ball, but I don't want to hook/pull it. Any suggestions.
August 8, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jesus. Sounds like you are flipping the entire arm. Check your alignments. Left Elbow Impact Alignments, LADD Video, and the Curing Elbow Pain Video.
August 8, 2016
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Jesus
Thanks Craig, I'll check out the videos!
August 8, 2016
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james
General question: What exactly is meant by "Slow and low" in the golf swing? Kind regards James Koch
August 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Slow and low usually refers to the takeaway. The club gliding along the ground as close as possible and keeping the tempo smooth to not jerk the club.
August 8, 2016
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Matthew
I seem to not get the timing down as I either get a pull hook or if I look on video my hands are very ahead of the ball at impact and the full extension and forearms over each other happen after impact. I know Chuck mentions that arms stay soft and passive and when you extend your lead leg at impact that is the release point I seem to still get those hooks. Any ideas or suggestions or if you see other students have to work through.
August 5, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Matt. Make sure it is a good constant rotation and you don't lose your lead elbow alignment. Take a look at Left Elbow Impact Alignments and the Curing Elbow Pain Video.
August 5, 2016
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Earl
What would like to understand is why a full shoulder turn is needed if most of speed is coming from the arms and wrist.
August 5, 2016
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
The full turn helps create the swing plane and path, as well as load up the muscles in the core. Using the core muscles allows the arms and hands to remain more relaxed.
August 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Earl. 60% or more of power comes from lag and release. You need weight shift, rotation and leverage from the ground to help you maximize your full potential.
August 5, 2016
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gordon
This is a very enlightening video. Are there, however, circumstances when a body release is appropriate. Perhaps when precision is more important than distance, e.g. for pitch and Penetrating Wedge Shot approaches? I will continue to work on improving my release by making it more arms and less body, as recommended in my video reviews, and would therefore appreciate clarification on the above circumstances. Thankyou in advance, much appreciate your competent advice, Gordon.
August 5, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. The penetrating wedge or some pitch shots will be more of a body rotational release with quieter hands. But, there still will be face rotation and crossover. Just to a lesser extent.
August 5, 2016
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kevin
Chuck: I buy all you say, but God had another plan for me. He gave me a flawed swing that track man shows almost always coming from the inside, sometimes too much so and an early release usually with severe over-rotation of the club face. When I try to release the club at the bottom, too often the result is a chunk or a severe left-to-left low diving hook. Worst shot in golf. I've been hitting it for a decade. Only thing I've found to combat it is trying to hold the club face off while continuing to turn through with my body. So what's to do? What's to do?
August 5, 2016
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
You've got to fix the path first. What is causing your in to out path is the first thing to fix, not the release. You can't release properly without having a proper plane and path first which is primarily dictated by simple core body movements and spine angle.
August 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. If your path is too shallow you need to zero it out. Therefore, you won't have to spin to release the club. Take a look at the Trace the Plane Line Video and the Level Shoulders Drill.
August 5, 2016
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Warren
Got it, I think but old habits die hard. So what 2-3 key points should I look for in the follow thru that tells me the release was proper? Best instruction on the web, period.
August 5, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Warren. Take a look at the Long Arms Drill and the Fix Your Release Video. Both will help with the proper exit position after impact and making sure the trail side or body didn't push through. Much appreciative of the compliments.
August 5, 2016
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David
In the drill for downswing sequencing with the medicine ball, it appears that the whole body is turning through versus releasing as per your video. If one releases the hands and arms, as i can do, do you not find a hook happening? I have lower back issues so going with whichever is best for the back, is for me.
June 2, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. This one is definitely easier on the back. You shouldn't find snap hook issues. Use the Perfecting Impact Video Part 1 and Fix Your Release Video. Master impact then start allowing for the face to freely rotate. You will find it is straighter once you stop steering the club and freely releasing.
June 2, 2016
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Loran
To keep from rotating, when should I release yet halt my upper torso to a stop? Actually, is there deliberate force of rotation at all? Or the release does the majority of the work?
March 22, 2016
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Your hips are doing all the work to rotate your torso. When you post up, that's what stops your hips from turning which, in turn, stops your torso.
August 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. The release will do the majority of the work and momentum will carry you to a full follow through. A good drill or visual is in the Release for Speed - RST Student Success.
March 23, 2016
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Loran
Then, the main driving force on the downswing is the lower body, mostly the legs? Or the heels of the feet?
March 20, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. Mostly the legs and torso.
March 21, 2016
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Gary
Hello I find myself pulling the grip through thd hitting zone attempting to square the face up as described in most of the release videos. I cant seem to time the release and square of the club face at impact. My shot pattern in this scenario typically is a cut open faced push depending on my athletic ability for that day. From the top of the backswing I feel the club head lag and the shaft on plane but as I come down into the impact zone I feel as if the club is too far behind and eithe the cast begins or I drop the shaft down forcing the hips to slide forward while trying to stay back behind the ball. What I cant seem to feel or sense is the feeling of trapping the ball with the feeling of being on top of the impact zone. Any tips on how to get the body in a position to feel on top of the ball and not hanging back?
February 14, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gary. Take a look at the Level Shoulders Drill and the Knuckles Down Drill. The level shoulders will help you get stacked and on top at impact. The knuckles will give you a good sense of covering the ball with some forward shaft lean.
February 15, 2016
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Gary
I have tried the knuckles down drill and the club head face seems to always be too closed at impact. Any tips? THANKS
February 15, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gary. Have you had a swing review for this specific issue? Take a look at the Fix Your Release Video. You are probably flipping the face to square it instead of a more constant rotation from the lead wrist.
February 15, 2016
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Andrew
I never hear PGA players talk about stalling the body coming through impact. However if you watch them on video, almost all of them do stop the hips for some amount of time. Do the players not realize they are doing it? Is there an organic way that we should be stalling the body, or is it a conscious thought to slow the rotation at impact?
February 9, 2016
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
trust me, you know more about the golf swing than 99% of the tour pros just by watching these videos.
August 7, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Andrew. You would be surprised how many tour players don't realize the mechanics going on in their swing. Its something that has come natural to them to create power and accuracy. Lots of tour players don't want to be overly knowing of their move. Just help along the way when it gets off kilter. Take a look at the Increase Swing Speed by Hip Deceleration to help with the stall. The better you release the club (5 Minutes to the Perfect Release). The more the body will learn not to get in the way of controlling the face.
February 9, 2016
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Dave
I'm kind of late to this party, but Nicklaus in his book "The Full Swing" talks about exactly this idea, that you can't keep pulling through, but have to let the body and arms slow down to allow the club to release. This was all after Jack Grout was finished revamping his swing in the early 80s, so not sure if this was something Grout imparted to him, or if he realized it himself. It's quite good physics, basically an application of conservation of angular momentum.
December 14, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. Yes. I think it was a little combined effort trying to compare the feel versus real of what actually happens. Glad you enjoyed the video.
December 14, 2017
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Loran
Then, the lower body facilitates the power movements versus the release of the lag? Which is responsible for clubhead distance? The downswing is mostly lower body over the use of arms and hands?
January 24, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. Lag and release will be responsible for over 60% of the power. You will use the lower body to help pull leverage from the ground and create stability for the upper half's rotation. The lower body does help with speed, but not the sole generator of power.
January 25, 2016
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Mark
Another great video Chris, thank you. This continues to be a problem for me. I grew up watching Johnny Miller and the reverse C... 30 years of compliments on my swing but now I lack the distance. So with Rotary Swings instructional help (Thx James Rayson), I think I am getting there (repetition). Question though, I watched this amazing swing from Si Woo Kim! He looks VERY efficient and he is playing great golf. I do not see a squat move in his swing. I wonder if I might be better served by his controlled rotation? Can you elaborate the pros and cons? I hope you might do an analysis on him soon. Mark
January 18, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. I'm glad the swing is progressing forward with help from James. Si Woo doesn't have a big squat, but he does shift his weight well and leverages the ground as a power source. I wouldn't recommend trying to use more of a controlled rotation because it can limit speed and also on days off become a little bit of a timing issue. It doesn't maximize the performance of the club and efficient dynamics of the body.
January 19, 2016
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stephen
keeping your chest closed it seems that it would be difficult to clear your hips. this is confusing based on what is generally taught. Steve
January 9, 2016
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Steven (Certified RST Instructor)
Steve- We can still get the hips open at impact with the torso being square, not closed. You have to pull with the left obliques down into impact to clear the hips about 40* open. Only by pulling can we achieve these impact positions where the torso is square and the hips are open the correct amount. Check out impact position FO and DTL
January 10, 2016
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Dan
Where would I find the LAAD video?
January 2, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dan. Use the search tool at the top right of your screen. Or, the Downswing Section. Make sure spelling is correct. LADD .
January 3, 2016
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Dan
I used to lead my downswing with my body too far beyond impact, so stalling the hips is very new for me. I have trouble shifting and stopping, and then throwing the club at the ball, losing momentum, and pulling shots because the club face becomes shut. Now I'm shifting and using my glutes,but still stop to release. Rotating is difficult, so I either flip, block, or can't rotate. Also, should my shoulders be closed until my hands drop to a certain position before beginning to rotate? Danny
January 2, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dan. Your shoulders don't need to be closed to a certain position. You are looking to shy away from them spinning too much too soon to allow the arms to fall a little bit. Take a look at the LADD Video. Work on shifting and lead arm control without pushing or spinning the body. It will also help with the shut club.
January 2, 2016
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robert
Seems like these videos are getting redundant. Chuck did a video almost totally overlapping all this. Is this the end of novel concepts?
December 31, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Robert. Not the end of novel concepts. We had a lot of request from members recently asking for another video or explanation of the Rotation Vs Release. So, we did one to particularly deal with that topic and make it easier to find.
December 31, 2015
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Prashant
Frankly These Video's are priceless, I learn something new every time I watch a video even if i repeat them. especially considering I only started the game 9 months ago. keep up the brilliant work.
January 1, 2016
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robert
Okay, that's fair
December 31, 2015
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Loran
My arms and hands stay comparatively passive compared to planting my heels firmly to the ground? My wrists are more forceful during lag and release than arms and hands?
December 24, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. The wrist aren't necessarily more forceful, but they should feel like they are in control and fast. The stomp is more active (pressing of the heels) than rush with arms/hands.
December 26, 2015
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Duncan
Ok I understand why that will promote club head speed but I have a problem with a low duck hook off the tee and one possible solution I've go from other sites is to rotate my body and hold off the club head. I'd rather hit straight with a little less power than drill one low into the bushes left! Advice?
December 23, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Duncan. That is one method of doing it. However, that will teach you to steer the ball. How much hold off is enough? You will have to gauge the tension and tendency to hold to a much greater degree, than freely releasing the club. From a former (body releaser), I can tell you straight is much easier with a true release. Take a look at the Fix Your Release Video and own impact to help with the left shot. Also, the Left Elbow Impact Alignments Video.
December 23, 2015
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Lance
What happened to the Jamie Donaldson downswing sequence video?
December 15, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lance. Thanks for letting us know. I will contact customer support.
December 15, 2015
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Loran
Then...I take it a golf player must still hover over the ball with his left side or upper torso through the finished product? There is really very little effort once a player releases lag? Because it is just the momentum of speed? I don't consciously have to work through the release? Hope I am getting my point across...
December 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. From what I gather in your post. Once, the player releases the lag and gets the proper arm rotation through impact. The finish will be the deceleration of momentum and not a lot of effort to be stacked on the lead side to completion.
December 14, 2015
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Loran
On the downswing, the lower body initiates the downswing correct? Which lower part of the body starts the downswing or is moving the downswing the fastest?
December 14, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Loan. Yes, the lower body will initiate the downswing. The lead knee will externally rotate to get stacked over the ankle joint. Then, you will pull with left hip adduction to shift the weight and plant in the heel/glute. The forearm and wrist release will be the fastest moving part.
December 15, 2015
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adrian
Please show me how to rotate forearm/wrist as I step on my left foot. Do I throw my right arm out as in the throw-the- ball drill? Or do I rotate my left/right forearm towards the target? Thanks.
December 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Adrian. The step with the lead foot allows you to shift the weight properly and start the sequence from the ground up. Even though the club is always rotating you probably won't feel a whole bunch until you start getting into your right thigh. I would worry less about your right arm right now and focus on letting the left forearm and wrist rotate (as in the Vijay Release Drill). If you take a look at the Golf Swing Release Drill and the Winter Program Downswing Video you can see the release better and one with a stomp.
December 14, 2015
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rick
This video explains it about as simply as possible. This has been the hardest change for me stalling out my body and keeping that left shoulder in. It sure requires a lot of repetition and when I've released the club properly, my club head speed has gone up about 5-6 mph. It works for sure. Good stuff.
December 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks Rick. Keep that speed increasing.
December 12, 2015
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Tom
Great video, Chris. We worked on this a bit during a lesson a few months back. This one move has been key to both speed and consistency in my swing. It took a lot of work to erase old habits, but doing the drills very slowly at first and then building is paying off. I'm easily 30 yards longer on my drives after finally "getting it". Thank you!
December 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Fantastic. Appreciate the post and love hearing about the improvement.
December 12, 2015
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Lance
Thanks for more discussion on this topic. It is really helping me!!!
December 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Lance. Great to hear you are using the forums to help improve your game.
December 12, 2015
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James
Hi Chris, 57 year old Jim again. I have been golfing for over 30 years. I have been trying to swing as the rotary suggests for nearly 2 years now! My tendency has always been to slide past my left hip socket & I am starting to experience some outside my left hip pain. Even though I have put in the reps to reverse that tendency I still slide past my hip. I get back to that old dog new trick theory! I have tried everything you have mentioned to try to correct, unsuccessfully! Can you recommend any drills or videos that can break this down for me slowly & stack the reps on top of each other? I'm afraid if I don't fix in a hurry I'm going to need a hip replacement, may need it anyway, but help please?
December 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jim. The key would be understanding why you slide past NJA. Push from the trail side? Over shifting? Hip spinning? Trail side dropping? Two things I would check. Adding secondary tilt due to trail side push will effect the lead hip (Level Shoulders Drill). Take a look at How the Lower Body Works and Perfecting Lower Body Stability. Make sure you are shifting into the lead heel and using the post up properly.
December 12, 2015
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David
Not to be too picky but I believe it's actually your forearms that rotate not your wrists.
December 10, 2015
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Lance
Thanks for pointing this out David. For the longest time I struggled with wrist movements that were independent - your insight just brought the proper release thought clearer for me in that the wrists are dependent on the forearms. Thanks
December 11, 2015
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Paul
Good advise Chris. It is also, a great saver for your back. It took a bit of time to learn, but it is well worth the practise and gain a lot better club speed. Thanks again.
December 10, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Paul. Thanks for the post. Much easier on the back!
December 12, 2015
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claudio
Great topic Chris. If you review slowmo videos of many long hitters like Dustin Johnson they have their hips very open at impact almost facing the target. The swing shown by you is a pure arm release with hips shut at impact. I agree that rotating your forehand agresively leads to high speed. However, it is very difficult to square the face and play consistent golf this way.
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Claudio. Some players definitely over use the hips. It is not that they don't work. Just being efficient with keeping the body safe. The hips in the full swing will be roughly open 35-45 degrees at impact. Letting the club release actually makes squaring of the face easier versus steering the face to a square position. If you are struggling with that we would be happy to help or take a look at the swing for you.
December 12, 2015
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Thomas
I love the information. As a long time scientist and engineer this all makes great sense. That is why I'm a member of this site. You can rotate your forearms much faster than your body. Doing all this in a matter of fractions of a second when you have been doing something else isn't so easy. But that is why all my buddies can't hit it 300yrds either. Just takes the work and dedication to make it happen. Thanks Chris.
December 10, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Glad you liked the video!
December 12, 2015
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Dave
Nicklaus in his 1984 book on his revised swing talks explicitly about how his body has to slow down through impact in order to allow for a proper forearm release. Conservation of angular momentum, in a nutshell--the club speeds up as the body slows down. As a physicist, I appreciate that notion. That said, I think that many of the younger players, taking their lead from Woods in his prime, rotate as fast as possible, and their hips are wide open at impact. And they still manage to release their forearms as well (McDowell doesn't so much, maybe Dustin Johnson doesn't so much, maybe Zach Johnson doesn't at all, until well after impact). But they are not body friendly swings.
December 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Dave. Yes, younger players definitely followed the lead with the spinning hips. Not body friendly though. I found out the hard way (former hip spinner). I am glad you like the presentation.
December 12, 2015
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Kip
Hi guys, one question and one comment: The question first ... this is a great video and I'm finally beginning to understand what this means. One misconception I've had, though, is that in trying to keep my chest closed as I shifted my weight, I also kept my hips closed. I ended up kind of squatting by reaching straight back with my butt and bending my left knee, which would stick out in front of my right knee. Then I'd release and rotate, and I think I'd release too soon (or worse). I found I need to think about the initial weight shift as being part of a rotation ... my first thought in the downswing is to ROTATE onto my left foot while squatting. But I can still keep my chest closed and begin to straighten my right arm, after which I finally release. That to me combines "squat to square" and "throw the ball". Does that make sense? The comment is that I took lessons here in Las Vegas in 1998 from Claude Harmon III at the same time both Tiger and Faldo worked with Butch. Claude said that Faldo, at 6' 4", couldn't hit it out of his shadow. This might be why.
December 10, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kip. Thanks for the compliments of the video. It makes sense. I don't want you to think about turning the left foot too much though. When you initiate the weight shift the left knee will externally rotate to help you get properly stacked. If that is what you are referring too. All sounds well then. Yes, this and early loading of the wrist in the backswing hurt Faldo's distance.
December 12, 2015
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joseph
Why does early loading of the wrists hurt distance? This assumes I maintain the wrist set in the downswing until release. Thanks.
January 4, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Joseph. Take a look at Part 5 Using Your Wrist For Speed. Also, when you load the wrist early it doesn't engage any big muscles. It takes 32 pounds of muscle to create 100 mph club head speed. You need to start early loading your bigger muscles.
January 4, 2016

Learn how to properly release the golf club rather than releasing with your body. There is sooo much bad golf instruction out there surrounding this topic and I'm here to put it to rest once and for all. You should NOT spin your shoulders through the hitting area, period, end of story. If you want to hit the ball really short and risk injuring your spine, by all means keep doing it! But if you want an efficient and powerful golf swing that limits the chance of injury, then you better heed my advice in this golf instruction video.

Many golf instructors have jumped on this band wagon of releasing the body in the downswing rather than the golf club. It's horrible advice and will cause you to hit the ball shorter, especially as you get older and lose rotational speed in your torso. In the Rotary Swing release, your hands are actually quite passive and releasing the golf club, not holding onto it or manipulating it. This type of release adds tremendous speed to the golf club while taking stress off the spine and hip.

So, if you like hitting it further with less effort, you might want to work on the proper golf club release!

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