How to Shallow Your Hands During Transition

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Do your hands go straight out toward the golf ball and don't shallow out during the transition in your golf swing? Here's why and how to fix it!


Yes, can you hear me?

I can hear you great.

All right.

So what's going on?

The angle, which angle are you referring to?

So like on my lead hip, it was coming out toward the ball almost as if I was standing up and this right hip was stationary.

So when we worked on getting this right hip back, Okay.

Gotcha.

So you see, as far as the angle goes, what you're trying to do is more or less maintain the belt line that you have it addressed.

So, you know, if, if I'm hinged forward here, if this is roughly my hip angle, because of how much I'm hinged forward, as I go back, that's going to stay roughly about the same.

What you're mentioning is a lot of people kind of do this.

And that's typically your arms kind of taking over a little bit and pulling you out of your posture.

And that's just indicative that your brain is saying, well, I got to really fire my arms hard.

And then your hips don't ever get a chance to work right in the first place.

So really, if your goal is to try and.

Use your big muscles to hit the ball and swing the club so that you're not just relying on your arms and hands.

Because it feels like a lot of work and it's harder to control.

You really got to make sure that this angle is roughly maintained.

And then as you start down and get ready to push that left hip back, this angle actually can increase a little bit.

And that'll really help you steepen your angle with your body, your spine angle, and helps bring the club back out on top of the plane.

What most people do with what you're talking about, if you get a little flat and your arms pull you out of your posture a little bit, you get a little flat, and then you're going to get a little bit stuck underneath or swing really over the top.

But to prevent that is more or less just keeping this angle, increasing it, I call it kind of tipping a little bit so that you kind of get your hips further back behind you.

And then as you're pushing back, then it's going to change.

But does that answer your question?

Yeah, it is.

Yeah, let's let's hit a couple I'd love to see where we're at Whenever you're ready Good, let's do one more.

Okay, can you do just like a swing face on?

Okay, perfect.

Swing looks really good.

It looks like you're losing the tush line just a little bit, which we'll talk about.

Let me pull it up here.

Back swing looked, you know, as far as your hips and stuff looked really good.

Okay.

Let me share my screen.

Okay.

And then you get.

A ton of depth in the backswing with the right hand, for sure.

Oh yeah, I mean, it's going back really deep, that's great, but what, what, what's going on here?

Watch, so if you use this, uh, like this, you know, the screen back here in the background and watch how your hips go back.

So you've moved like one, you know, you kind of move back like a, you know, inch or two, and you maintain that.

And then as you start down, you'll see that the club gets a little bit steep.

Ideally, your hands would not be this far out in front of your chest.

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna walk through all this stuff in a second.

But this what's happening is you're losing your posture a little bit, Because your arms are outrunning everything.

So then, you know, you stand up.

So, and this is where, you know, you look like you lose your posture just a little bit during this phase.

You can see, I'm going to put my mouse cursor right there.

So now you've lost it and your spine angle has gotten more upright, right?

So this starts leading it.

This can really 100 quickly lead into blocks and hooks really 101 quick.

102 And so I'm going to explain why there's, 103 I mean, otherwise did.

Your swing looks 104 beautiful, but this is going to lead to 105 some, some ball striking issues.

So let's 106 just take a quick look.

Face on.

Yeah, so 107 stance width is just a hair wide.

Not 108 that you can't play from there, but it's 109 going to.

Typically, you're either going 110 to not get enough weight over to the left 111 side in the downswing, or you're going to 112 have to have a pretty big slide.

113 You make a really good move there.

That's 114 pretty solid.

115 But the biggest issue, really, so many 116 great things going on here, is just the 117 arms firing too soon.

118 And Chuck, 119 like I said, I don't know if you remember 120 or not, but I've been in Craig's group 121 now for a year in July.

122 Okay.

123 Okay, okay.

Nothing I can do.

I just 124 can't seem to figure out what in the 125 world is causing me to not let those arms 126 just drop and allow the legs to work, you 127 know?

128 Yep.

129 Have you filmed your swing working on 130 this stuff with like a driver or a three 131 -wood?

Oh, yes.

132 And you still find the same thing 133 happening?

Yes.

Okay.

All right, cool.

134 Let's talk about what's causing that.

135 So in your swing, you rotate really well.

136 You get your hips really well.

Everything 137 looks really great.

And then your arms 138 start to go up, right?

And so as you 139 start to elevate your arms quite a bit, 140 totally normal.

It looks great.

There's 141 nothing wrong with it.

But as your arms 142 start getting up on a steeper plane, then 143 you need shallowing moves in order for 144 that club.

to get back down to the ball 145 from up here, right?

Now, if you were 146 down here, you wouldn't need any 147 shallowing moves, right?

Your swing's 148 already really shallow.

Here your swing's 149 really steep.

You're somewhere in 150 between.

And that's the trick of figuring 151 out where your hands need to be and what 152 moves you need to put in your swing to 153 get the swing to all gel.

So what you're 154 doing is you go to the top.

You know, 155 this is really nice.

And then the arms 156 start to fire a little bit soon.

And 157 that's impossible for them to shallow out 158 because you've started moving them this 159 way, right?

So what your body does, once 160 you get this way a little bit, where your 161 hands are moving back out here, 162 obviously, one, that's going to pull you 163 out of your posture a little bit.

But 164 then also because that's a steeping move, 165 right?

You're, you know, hacking down 166 with your arms a little bit.

And that's a 167 big exaggeration.

Your swing's not nearly 168 that bad.

But as you do that, you're 169 going to start to stand up to keep the 170 club.

From digging into the turf because 171 your arms are steep.

They're going down 172 on a much steeper path than what they 173 went back on, right?

So it's really more 174 of a.

It's a timing thing and a 175 sequencing thing that's causing you to 176 not be able to shallow out.

So in order 177 for your club to your hands to do this, 178 instead of this, you have to kind of look 179 at it holistically.

Okay, so one if my 180 arms fire at all from the top, If I pull 181 down hard with my left arm or push with 182 my right shoulder, any of that stuff can 183 move the hands out toward the target 184 line, out toward the ball.

And both of 185 those are no bueno, especially if they 186 happen, which is what's typical, ahead of 187 your hips starting to get out of the way, 188 right?

If your hips start to get out of 189 the way first, then your hands naturally 190 kind of drop down in.

But if they don't 191 and your arms get just the tiny, you 192 know, a tenth of a second, a split second 193 head start, There's no shallowing out 194 that's going to happen.

In fact, what 195 your body's going to do, you know, from 196 there to there is only two tenths of a 197 second anyway, right?

So there's just not 198 a lot of time for a lot of stuff to 199 happen.

So once you start this little 200 tiny tug from the top, then your body, 201 your proprioception, your subconscious 202 starts saying, okay, well, what do we 203 need to do to hit the ball?

Because 204 that's my top priority.

205 So shallowing out doesn't, it's not even 206 on the radar anymore, right?

207 So really what it comes down to is two 208 things working synergistically.

One, 209 getting your hands to not fire from the 210 top will automatically help them shallow 211 out with number two, which is getting 212 your hips to go a little bit sooner, 213 right?

And so one of the things I've been 214 doing, I've been talking about a little 215 bit here and there, I've been researching 216 for the past seven months is having your 217 hands high versus having your hands low 218 in the backswing, okay?

I don't know if 219 you've followed any of that stuff.

Oh, 220 yeah.

Okay, so one of the things that 221 when you think about it as a big, do you 222 do?

You have time this morning?

Because I 223 can, absolutely okay.

So I want to 224 explain some stuff to you.

That may be a 225 little bit outside of the scope of the 226 lesson, but it'll kind of help you think 227 of it a big picture thing, right?

So, if 228 you think of your golf swing entirely as 229 as shallowing moves and steepening moves, 230 okay, then the golf swing starts to make 231 a lot of sense.

Because we've seen, you 232 know, there's 40 million golfers in the U 233 .

s with 40 million different golf swings 234 with you know 100 different variables 235 each, right?

So how do you get everybody 236 to kind of make their swing work?

Well, 237 it's pretty hard, right?

That's why 238 golfers haven't really gotten any better.

239 So when you think about it, most golfers 240 don't really understand what's going on 241 in their swing.

Your swing, as you start 242 elevating your arms, you've added a 243 steepening move.

Totally fine.

It gives 244 you a lot of leverage, but then you need 245 to get those commensurate compensatory 246 sallowing moves to get the club to not 247 come down steep, right?

In my opinion, 248 after the seven months of research and 50 249 ,000 swings that I've made in that time, I 250 believe that it's much easier to simplify 251 your arm movement in the swing.

So that 252 the club does what it needs to do without 253 having to try and compensate for it, 254 right?

So having high hands, in my 255 personal experience, gave me about three 256 miles an hour average club head speed 257 more with my driver.

I've got more time 258 to accelerate the club.

259 I'm making bigger movements, right?

My 260 arms are moving more.

They can move 261 faster.

The swing arc is bigger.

And so 262 it's about a couple percent of extra club 263 head speed, right?

But there's so much 264 more complication to all of those moves.

265 It's not natural for most people.

to 266 shallow out the club from a higher hands 267 position.

You really have to kind of 268 think about your swing, like what do I 269 really need to do to get the desired ball 270 flight and all of those things that I'm 271 trying to do from this position.

272 I believe that it's going to be much 273 easier if you shallow out your arms a 274 little bit at the top by removing 275 elevation.

276 Not that you're not going to remove all 277 of it, but you're going to feel like 278 there's no elevation, okay?

And when you 279 think of it that way, when you lift your 280 arms up, And then want to push them out 281 toward the target, like you do a little 282 bit, it's you.

You now have to kind of 283 revamp the entire way that you think 284 about the swing, right?

You've.

You've 285 got to get your hands to go do the exact 286 opposite of what they're doing now, and 287 that's a huge change.

It's a lot easier, 288 in my opinion, to think about getting 289 your hands here and this right arm 290 shallower at the top without elevating it 291 so much.

And then as you feel that 292 instead of getting your body pulling, 293 kind of, you know, pulling your body out 294 of posture and out of position, as your 295 arms go back in there here and you start 296 to shift back in, which you do really 297 well, the hands are naturally going to 298 start to shallow out because they don't 299 have nearly as far to go in the first 300 place.

301 The biggest trade-off, like I said, is 302 consistency versus overall distance.

You 303 know, you have plenty of club head speed.

304 So if you gave up, potentially gave up.

305 You know, a mile an hour, two miles an 306 hour average speed with the driver, but 307 you hit it on the screws way more often.

308 That, to me, is the, you know, a good 309 trade-off.

And so what I'd like to do, if 310 you're willing to experiment with me a 311 little bit, is let me kind of walk you 312 through.

How to remove some of the 313 elevation, some of the complications, 314 some of the, you know, steepness in the 315 swing.

So that you don't have to try and 316 go from this high hands position to this, 317 you know, this big shallowing out move 318 and see how it feels for you.

Does that 319 make sense?

320 Absolutely, but you said that I had 321 plenty of club head speed.

My driver 322 speed, I just got fitted a couple months 323 ago.

It was only around 105 miles an 324 hour.

Okay.

325 So, look, 326 I'll do anything to get better, you know, 327 to get this shallow out, because I know 328 that's what I've got to do to play golf.

329 I can't keep firing from the top.

330 They're getting out ahead of the lower 331 body, and I know that.

332 But, yeah, 333 can you lower it and give me more club 334 head speed, too?

335 Yeah, so my kind of standard cutoff for 336 club head speed is about 110.

337 With low hands, high hands, or whatever, 338 you should be at least at 110, especially 339 with all the good stuff that you have 340 going on in your swing and your 341 athleticism and your.

you know, the way 342 you got your body moving, you should be 343 much faster than 105 for sure.

So, so 344 what I'm saying, like you might lose, 345 like my club head speed with low hands 346 average is 119 and it's 122 with high 347 hands.

So it's on a percentage basis is 348 relatively small, right?

But you should 349 still be swinging much faster.

Now the 350 catch is there's always tricks in golf 351 when it comes to producing speed.

352 One of the biggest ones is that when 353 people are kind of stuck at that level 354 that you're at, the way that they try to 355 produce more speed is by firing their 356 arms sooner and harder from the top.

357 Right.

And so it's counterproductive, 358 even though you're working harder, but 359 you actually end up just you end up 360 swinging slower than you will when you 361 start letting the swing sequence 362 properly.

And that's kind of the key.

At 363 the end of the day, you know, all this 364 force plate stuff studying that I've been 365 doing.

It's really just about refining 366 the sequence so that it's as effortless 367 and as efficient and safe and fast as 368 humanly possible, right?

And easy to 369 learn because that's really the end of 370 the day.

371 If you have to work on your swing for six 372 years to get a reasonable swing, that's 373 kind of crazy.

374 I want to spend some time working on it, 375 get it to where I can go out and play 376 really consistent golf for the rest of my 377 life with the same swing without ever 378 having to change it again.

And that's 379 really what I've been trying to boil it 380 down because 381 With high hands, there's things that you 382 have to do.

With low hands, there's 383 things you have to do.

There's 384 compromises on both.

But I believe at the 385 end of the day, everybody just wants to 386 be able to swing at least 110.

387 Especially your ability, you should 388 easily be able to swing 110.

389 And be able to.

And we will get you 390 there.

391 And just go out and have a simple golf 392 swing and not have to work on this thing 393 all the time.

And the things that.

394 people do to, you know, when they're 395 working with higher hands, it's just more 396 complexity.

It's not that it's bad or 397 good.

It's just more complexity because 398 you're now trying to blend a rotational 399 movement of your thorax, of your hips 400 with, and your, you know, and your 401 shoulders with a vertical movement of the 402 arms.

Right.

And it's not tons of great 403 players do it.

Right.

I mean, obviously 404 you can play phenomenal golf doing that.

405 From Bubba Watson to Davis Love and 406 everybody, Colin Montgomery.

You got 407 these guys with mega high hands and they, 408 you know, Colin Montgomery is a great 409 example.

Super high hands, big lateral 410 slide to the right going back and on the 411 way down a big lateral slide.

That's how 412 he chooses to shallow out that club.

413 That's pretty complex.

He's not a long 414 hitter.

And if you look at the trend, I 415 like to look at stuff like a macro scale.

416 I always look at like 20 year increments 417 in golf.

418 So if you look at the last 20 years of 419 golf at the highest levels, 420 one, the swings have become much more 421 compact, much more rotational.

You don't 422 have like the big lateral drive, the 423 massive high hands, the Nicholas 424 Weisskopf, Watson Montgomery stuff.

You 425 don't see that as much, right?

426 And part of that, I think, is an 427 understanding of just how to.

428 Biomechanically leverage the body and the 429 ground more efficiently, with tools that 430 didn't exist in the 70s, right?

We 431 didn't, we didn't know how to measure 432 this stuff.

But also, I think there's a 433 there's a trend to be as consistent as 434 humanly possible.

The guys on the PGA 435 Tour now, it's crazy how consistent 436 everybody is.

You know, everybody 437 relatively has a chance to win every 438 week, to some degree or another.

Because 439 they all hit the ball so freaking well, 440 You know, it's not like you have somebody 441 just out there slapping it around anymore 442 and then just making every putt.

Golf is 443 just, it's too high of a level now.

So 444 you look at the Tony Finau's of the world 445 and the John Rahms and Tiger and Rory, 446 and these guys have all gone to much 447 shallower arm positions.

Tiger used to 448 have really high hands and he's gone 449 lower and lower and lower, and then kind 450 of brought it back and he's kind of 451 somewhere in the middle.

I like where his 452 swing is now in terms of taking the 453 stress off his body, right?

Because you 454 look at, again, 455 Steepening and shallowing moves.

You got 456 really high hands and like Colin 457 Montgomery and you have a big lateral 458 drive.

Well, you start creating side bend 459 and then you add rotation to that, which 460 is another shallowing move, and then 461 you've got this torque and side bend.

And 462 so, you know, you look at how Tigers had 463 to adapt his swing to his back to 464 preserve and reduce as much stress as 465 possible.

I think you can look at his 466 swing now and say, man, it's relatively, 467 you know, pretty easy on his back 468 compared to things he's done in the past.

469 So, long story short, 470 I believe that you're seeing more and 471 more consolidation in terms of what 472 people are doing with their arms and why.

473 And I've been trying to figure out for 474 years, which is better, which is more 475 ideal, both from how do you get somebody 476 to hit the ball well enough to shoot in 477 the low 70s consistently?

478 Do it as fast as humanly possible, right?

479 I don't want to spend 10 years teaching a 480 golfer how to start shooting in the 70s.

481 It shouldn't be that hard.

482 you know, it's, it's a mechanics, it's a 483 technique thing.

What's the fastest way 484 to do that?

You know, and to me, when I 485 was like, the more I think about it and 486 the more I study the forces that I'm 487 generating on the force plate, going with 488 shallower hands, the biggest compromise 489 is a tiny bit of top end average speed.

490 But again, 491 you know, you know, again, my speed's 492 much higher than average, but if the 493 average guy is swinging at 112 and 494 hitting it solid every time, he's going 495 to be stoked.

Right.

Right.

So.

496 So, and that's really kind of how I 497 started thinking about things.

And it 498 really, it's a longevity thing, right?

499 You know, if you're firing your arms from 500 the top, there's two issues that are 501 going to come from that.

One, 502 timing becomes more important aspect of 503 your swing, right?

Because you got to go 504 to the range and you got to get this 505 timing of your arms going up and your 506 body going around and all of this stuff 507 working together.

It just takes more 508 maintenance, right?

It's just more work 509 to glue all the stuff together.

510 And if you do it enough, you'll be able 511 to do it and not think about it, but 512 you'll still be always subject to timing 513 in your swing because the more stuff you 514 have moving in different planes and 515 different directions, the harder it is to 516 glue all this stuff together, right?

517 So if you think about reducing elevation 518 and you reduce the dependency on firing 519 your arm from the top, you'll start to 520 feel how your body.

Can do stuff just 521 the tiniest bit sooner, right?

You?

522 You're able to transition to the left a 523 little bit sooner, you're you're able to 524 finish posting up a little bit sooner, 525 and we're talking milliseconds.

But that 526 makes a huge difference in terms of 527 transferring energy, you know, into the 528 club from the ball or from the ground, 529 from your feet.

And also not relying on 530 your hands and arms for speed.

So it 531 starts to get shift.

You from, you know, 532 putting a lot of effort into it from your 533 arms and hands, to feeling effortless and 534 swinging the pendulum the other way.

And 535 I think that, you know, in the end, 536 you'll find that you'll, you'll get the 537 big payoff without having to work so hard 538 at it.

So long story short, what I want 539 you to feel at first is a couple things.

540 We're going to do a couple things to 541 exaggerate some movements so that you can 542 see a big change in terms of 543 shallowing out the club.

Getting your 544 body to work, because you know your body, 545 your brain's got to adapt to these things 546 and start getting.

It's like, Oh wow, if 547 my arms are here and now they're here, 548 that's a big change, okay, right?

So 549 we're going to do a couple things to 550 experiment and help you feel some of 551 these things.

And then as you start to 552 get comfortable with it, we'll start 553 stacking some stuff in there.

So what I 554 want you to, what's that?

I said, 555 Absolutely, yep, okay.

So what I want you 556 to do first to get this feeling is I'm 557 going to have you 558 kind of keep your right upper bicep and 559 your right peC kind of touching each 560 other throughout the whole backswing, 561 okay?

So you'll feel how your arm's going 562 to want to slide up a lot.

This is 563 elevation, and we're going to reduce that 564 to make this swing simpler.

So you're 565 going to feel that this stuff is kind of 566 connected.

567 You're going to go right arm only, and 568 you're going to go up to the top, just 569 like your normal move with your hips, 570 because that stuff's all great.

And now, 571 because you don't have the left arm on 572 the club for a second, To pull it out 573 this way, you'll feel how the right arm 574 naturally wants to do this and that's 575 going to get you that hand drop.

Now.

Of 576 course, there's all kinds of variables 577 with this stuff, so I'm telling you stuff 578 that's specific to you.

A lot of guys who 579 if they go right arm only, they just push 580 this way.

I'm going to help you feel how 581 this is a little bit more of a little 582 sidearm kind of flick 583 instead of pushing out over the top.

But 584 I believe most of your problem comes 585 from, you know, starting to try and pull 586 the club down with both hands from the 587 top too soon.

So we're going to take one 588 out and we're going to see how your swing 589 shallows out with just this arm.

And then 590 we'll see how, if we need to, shallows 591 out with just the left arm.

They both 592 have to kind of learn to work together 593 for this to happen.

But it's a lot easier 594 for this to happen from here.

595 than it is from here.

Because as soon as 596 you elevate a lot, not that you elevate a 597 lot, but you have a fair bit, you've 598 activated this right front delt, your 599 shoulder muscle and the medial delt.

Both 600 of these things, once they're tight or 601 activated, they don't just all of a 602 sudden relax.

603 How would they do that?

604 You've worked to lift your arms up.

605 And so, of course, all of a sudden, these 606 muscles don't just deactivate.

And that's 607 why it's difficult.

So when you have high 608 hands, you know there's a lot of little.

609 There's shallowing moves that you have to 610 kind of do to work with that again.

If we 611 don't, activate this delt and lift this 612 arm up and it stays more relaxed because 613 it's moving in sync with your body.

Turn 614 instead of trying to move on two 615 different planes as much as the AR in 616 your case, then this shoulder stays more 617 relaxed.

And as soon as you make that 618 nice transition move that you guys have 619 been working on, 620 my hand is going to drop straight down in 621 front of my chest with zero, you know, 622 effort in trying to do that.

Does that 623 make sense?

624 Yeah.

625 Okay.

So let's try that right arm only 626 for a moment.

627 Okay.

I just want you to make some 628 practice swings and just feel that those 629 two are connected.

You can choke up on 630 the club as much as you like.

631 Good.

And now just come down from there.

632 Okay.

So once you've got your arm there, 633 just relax it.

Go to the top.

634 Now feel your right shoulder should be 635 relatively relaxed at the moment.

636 Yeah.

And then just forget about it and 637 just focus on your transition with your 638 lower body and see what happens.

639 Okay, still a little bit steep.

640 Close there.

641 All right, so still a little steep, and 642 that's good.

Let's take a look.

643 Okay, so this is where I was telling you 644 to feel relaxed.

645 So you can see now that your bicep is 646 just a little bit, or excuse me, your 647 elbow a little bit beneath your pec right 648 there.

That's very shallow.

It's a big 649 difference.

It's felt very low.

650 Yeah, it's going to feel insanely low.

It 651 probably feels like it's down around your 652 waist.

But when you get the left arm up 653 there, you'll see that your left arm 654 would be just above your shoulder plane 655 and it would all be just about perfect.

656 So while this feels very different for 657 you.

It's going to be much more compact 658 and much simpler, it's just fewer moving 659 parts, right?

But then as we came down, 660 you still started to kind of get the the 661 arm to go and the shoulders to go.

And 662 the hips didn't see how your hips are 663 dead square.

Basically, yes, okay, so 664 this is normal.

But this is important for 665 you to start to understand the steepening 666 and shallowing moves that you need to get 667 all of this stuff to gel.

So in your 668 case, when you go right arm only, you 669 basically got to just forget about your 670 arm for a moment.

And just get your hips 671 to go.

Because your hips work way better 672 when you're swinging at full speed, 673 right?

Okay, so, and that will help.

The 674 club shot, but now your hand's a little 675 bit far in front, so what happened there 676 is, you're in this position, but then you 677 start moving the club, forget about the 678 club and start using your hips to get out 679 of the way.

And you'll feel, as your arms 680 start to stay more relaxed, that you're 681 not trying to push the club through.

This 682 is where you're losing speed in your 683 swing, even though you've got reasonable 684 speed.

But as you start trying to move 685 the club, there's not enough speed and 686 muscle mass in your arms and opposition 687 to really be able to generate any speed.

688 So you can't rely on that.

So you just 689 got to keep it kind of chilled out here 690 and then use your body.

And once you do 691 that, you'll see.

692 my hand drops down because as it's moving 693 back this way while my body is beginning 694 to transition back to the left, that 695 creates this little bit of separation.

696 So my right bicep, that's why I'm telling 697 you in the backswing, these two are 698 connected.

But during the transition, 699 there can be a little bit of separation 700 where my body gets a little bit afraid of 701 these hands.

Again, it's a shallowing 702 move, right?

If you keep this connected 703 and you start turning right away, your 704 hands start moving out toward the ball.

705 You go back and you start to transition 706 while the club's still going back a 707 little bit, create just the tiniest bit 708 of separation between these two, and 709 you'll feel that little dynamic drop of 710 your hand to get here.

711 Yeah, there you go.

712 Relax the arm even a little bit more.

713 Yeah, I can feel it's really tight.

It's 714 wanting to do something.

715 Yep.

716 That might have been a better one.

717 All right, let's take a quick look.

718 So this was just like your first little 719 practice kind of drill.

720 But you can see how your hands are 721 staying back behind, your hand is staying 722 back behind your chest now, right?

723 Yes.

724 And then as you started to do a couple, 725 you said, you know, I started to feel 726 your shoulder or your, you know, your pec 727 start to kind of tighten up.

728 And there I can see it.

And then you're 729 starting to kind of turn that right 730 shoulder.

It's better.

731 The club obviously shallows out there.

732 And then you get a much better to good 733 hip turn there and a good release.

And 734 then as you started to kind of feel a 735 little bit more dynamic there, you can 736 see it there.

And again, you won't, you 737 won't be able to get that, you know, big 738 of a separation when your left hand's on 739 there too, right?

Okay, yep, but as you 740 you can see, it buys you that little bit 741 of time.

So your hips are already back to 742 square.

743 You're still trying to get it out there a 744 little bit, but it's closer.

745 But you can start to see now like, okay, 746 gosh, when I feel super shallow, I feel 747 like my hands are really dropping and I 748 feel like my arms are staying way back 749 during the transition.

They are, but then 750 you can see like, oh gosh, right here, I 751 start to really turn my right shoulder to 752 try and get it, get the club back out 753 there.

And then it kind of puts the club 754 out in front of you a little bit more.

755 And so you can exaggerate that now and 756 get a little bit even more shallow with 757 it.

758 But that's not bad right there.

759 It's pretty darn close.

760 So now we're going to go ahead.

761 I didn't say anything.

Oh, sorry.

I keep 762 getting an echo in here, I think.

763 Let's check the last one.

764 That was pretty good there.

765 There you got pretty dynamic with it.

766 Yeah, it looked like I had maybe a little 767 more speed in that one.

768 Yeah.

769 But you can see now that separation I was 770 talking about between your upper bicep 771 and your pec.

772 Yes.

773 And again, this is exaggerated because 774 your left hand's not on there, right?

You 775 won't be able to do that.

But you get the 776 idea now, instead of your hands normally 777 moving immediately out toward the ball 778 from the top, they're just kind of 779 floating.

Right now, it's kind of hanging 780 out.

It's buying you that tenth of a 781 second or those milliseconds.

To get that 782 body a little bit out in front, to get 783 the hips a chance to clear out of the 784 way.

And then, you know, now your arms 785 are still way back.

Normally your hands 786 would be already, you know, close to 787 impact at this point, right?

Yes, so now 788 you're just staying back, staying back, 789 staying back.

And then you get that 790 little flick of the wrist, that little 791 release, that little boost to speed right 792 at the bottom, 793 instead of doing it so hard, so soon from 794 the top.

795 So as you start to kind of think about 796 your swing and those perspectives, my 797 goal for you, I wanna help people 798 understand their swings, right?

So that 799 you don't need me, you don't need 800 anything else.

You just, you know what 801 you kind of gotta do.

You get some really 802 basic stuff that's really easy to 803 understand and follow.

And then that's 804 it.

For the rest of your life, you just 805 work on the same crap and you shouldn't 806 take that long, right?

You just kind of 807 get it dialed in and then you're done.

808 And in your case, You can see now by just 809 removing some little extra variables in 810 your swing and getting a little bit more 811 time in the downswing for your hands to 812 just wait, to give your body time to get 813 out of the way, that now the club and 814 your hands are back here.

And so you 815 start to understand, okay, well, that 816 feeling of this.

817 is what I need to feel when now I have 818 both hands on the club.

So now as I come 819 back, instead of you normally going this 820 way, you're going to feel the same thing, 821 that little right arm separation at the 822 top during the transition.

And you can 823 see my hands as I'm halfway down are 824 still back here.

825 And then there's that little effortless 826 boost at the bottom.

And that's where 827 your speed really comes from instead of 828 you trying to get your speed so soon from 829 the top.

Does that make sense?

830 Yes, it does.

831 So let's go ahead.

Do you have a 832 question?

833 Yeah.

834 I was thinking about something with those 835 arms.

I've lost my thought now on it.

836 Oh, I know.

So in my swing, typically 837 what I'll see is that it looks like a 838 tiny bit of a closed hip shift.

839 And it's probably from.

840 I'm here, and I've made this big old 841 turn, and I have started.

And so that's 842 why they look close, and I never get the 843 left hip open.

So I kind of need to be 844 the opposite of a hip spinner, and I need 845 to feel that going a lot quicker, right?

846 Not necessarily.

847 I understand what you're saying, but not 848 necessarily.

849 Because it looked like that's what I did 850 in that video right there.

851 When I got to here, I just really, I 852 really started my engine down here and 853 this just hung back and it's blown out, 854 right?

855 Yes.

So yes and no.

You're correct and 856 not necessarily 100% correct in the same 857 sentence.

Okay.

So as far as what you're 858 saying, there is a little bit of a closed 859 hip slide during that transition because 860 as your hip is turning and going back, 861 this right hip, It's starting to move 862 because you're rotating around the base 863 of your spine back here.

So as you're 864 starting to do this, it's starting to 865 help you shift back to the left.

But this 866 is happening super fast.

867 If you're going really slow, it would 868 look like this.

869 But that's happening in the blink of an 870 eye.

So yes, you do need this tiny little 871 bit as this right hip is getting depth 872 and moving around and starting to.

you 873 know, shift your weight back to the lead 874 leg.

There's this, you know, 875 milliseconds of a closed hip slide and 876 then you go.

Gotcha.

What's really 877 important is the muscles that are loaded 878 during that phase of the swing and when 879 they're firing, right?

That's really your 880 issue.

881 As you elevate your arms, like most 882 golfers, obviously you're going to use 883 your shoulders to do this.

This is what 884 raises your arms up and down.

right?

885 That's the only muscles we got.

That and 886 our traps, right?

So we see a lot of 887 really high handicaps, you know, do this 888 kind of stuff.

They really shrug their 889 shoulders up.

That's really high handicap 890 stuff.

You're obviously not doing that, 891 but you're still elevating your arms and 892 activating these shoulders.

The trick is 893 then figuring out how do I get that club 894 to shallow out?

A lot of golfers like 895 Colin Montgomery who have really high 896 hands will add a lot of lateral move to 897 do that, right?

All of this stuff is 898 buying time.

That's really what it is.

899 the most precious commodity you have in 900 the downswing is time.

901 It's, it's invaluable because there's 902 just not a whole heck of a lot of it.

903 Okay.

So you're, you're doing everything 904 in a quarter of a second, which means if 905 you're fast twitch muscle fibers, the 906 hands and arms, the stuff that can move 907 really quick, get the slightest bit head 908 start.

There's just not enough physical 909 time to get all the other crap done.

And 910 that's what you're really experiencing in 911 your swing.

And that's what you saw 912 different there.

You're like, Oh, well 913 now, Because my hand's not doing this, 914 moving out toward the target, it looks 915 like my hips are just getting way out in 916 front, right?

We don't want that either.

917 And we don't want you spinning your hips 918 out.

919 What you're finding is because, you know, 920 the arms aren't connected.

So when the 921 arms are connected, if you start turning 922 your shoulders at all, the hands are 923 going out this way.

There's no way around 924 it, right?

But when it's just right arm 925 only, and even if you make a mistake and 926 turn your shoulders really fast, well, 927 your arm is just still going to stay 928 back.

And that's what I'm trying to get 929 you to feel is what I really did is just 930 buy you time.

I bought you a tenth of a 931 second at the top to get that little 932 shallowing move, but it's much smaller 933 from here than it is from here.

Because 934 then you need more than the time I just 935 bought you.

We need more lateral or more 936 rotational or whatever it may be.

And I'm 937 just trying to make it simple, man.

I 938 just want it to be as tight and compact 939 and boring as humanly possible.

I love 940 that.

941 Okay.

942 So let's put, yeah, do a couple right 943 hand only again, just to get the feeling.

944 Use those hips.

945 And then as you get the feeling of your 946 arm, your hand kind of staying back a 947 little bit behind your turn to buy that 948 time, go left hand.

949 Wow, this feels like my nine to three 950 swing.

951 All right.

So your hands are still going 952 out there.

So I want you to exaggerate 953 that.

Yeah, there you go.

954 Good.

955 You're still kind of hanging back on your 956 right foot there.

So get your hips going 957 out of the way and let the arms stay 958 back.

959 All right.

So let's take a look at that.

960 So you're still firing the arms, but I 961 want you to see it so that you can start 962 to recognize what's going on here.

963 So first couple, right hand only.

964 Pretty good transition there.

The club's 965 starting to shallow out.

But you can see 966 that you're still wanting to move those 967 hands out toward the ball, right?

And 968 this is normal to you.

So this is why 969 this is the trick here, is that if you're 970 still trying to move that golf club with 971 your hands out toward the ball, you're 972 going to kind of keep running into this 973 same circumstance.

And now.

you won't 974 have as much time to get your body out of 975 the way, your hips out of the way, and 976 you're a little flat-footed here.

So 977 you're kind of hanging back on the right 978 side there a little bit.

That ankle 979 should be rolled in slightly.

Yeah, you 980 should be shifted more to the left side 981 at that point, but you just didn't really 982 have enough time to get everything all 983 the way over, so you're hanging back.

984 Now, as we put the left hand back on 985 there, this is where you said you felt 986 like you were making a 9-to-3 swing.

987 Yeah, that felt so.

That felt just like 988 my nine to three.

I promise if I send you 989 a nine to three, it's probably like it's 990 on my bike.

991 That's normal, man.

That happens for 992 everybody, right?

And that's kind of the 993 beauty of this is when you start really 994 understanding how, because you use your 995 lower body really well, it just doesn't 996 have enough time and your arms are kind 997 of taking over a little bit.

998 Your swing should feel like a nine to 999 three swing.

That's my favorite feeling 1000 in the world personally is that I feel 1001 like I took the club back to parallel and 1002 I still hit it full distance, right?

1003 That's kind of the goal, because that's 1004 how we're going to boost consistency is 1005 we're making a swing that just doesn't 1006 have that many moving parts.

So your 1007 hands are still a little bit, they're 1008 pretty close there and you had a good 1009 separation there, but the hands are still 1010 moving out.

But you shallowed out right 1011 at the bottom, which was totally fine.

1012 Right here you're in a good spot, but you 1013 can see now that your hips are dead 1014 square.

Yes, right.

So now if you're 1015 hitting a dead square, by the time we get 1016 to impact, there's just no chance.

1017 There's no chance of them getting out of 1018 the way at that point.

And they don't.

1019 Okay.

So let me pull up something.

1020 Show you kind of a pretty big example of 1021 taking this to the extremes.

1022 All right, so we'll pull up Tiger here.

1023 Now watch during the transition.

1024 So his, from down the line anyway, 1025 you know, he's starting to shift back to 1026 the left right here.

But his hands, and 1027 obviously I don't have the face on view 1028 of this swing, but I can see that his, 1029 you know, his belt buckle and his hips 1030 are starting to move deeper, his left leg 1031 starting to move.

So that's kind of the 1032 beginning.

1033 Of the transition from this view, he 1034 technically probably started a little bit 1035 sooner, but anyway, so let's watch how 1036 far his hands keep going while he's 1037 transitioning to the left.

So they went 1038 in, the club, went up another couple 1039 inches, yes, but he's already 1040 transitioned to the left.

And now his 1041 hands really haven't moved much.

They 1042 have, but they haven't moved much.

In 1043 relationship to his body.

This.

This 1044 right arm angle is starting to widen a 1045 little bit, the distance of his hands 1046 from his shoulders are starting to widen 1047 a little bit.

But it's not.

But in your 1048 case, you're widening a lot at this phase 1049 of the swing.

Your hands are firing soon, 1050 and as we keep walking Tiger down, you'll 1051 see that.

That is something that he does 1052 as well as anybody, if not better than 1053 anybody in the business, is.

His hands 1054 are still 1055 really high up.

I can start to see his 1056 left butt cheek already.

1057 His left arm is barely below parallel.

1058 Now you can see obviously the other side 1059 of his belt line here.

1060 You can see how much his hips are open at 1061 that point and how much his hands are 1062 behind his belt buckle at that point.

1063 That's a much bigger hip turn, but 1064 The trick is that move can't happen if 1065 your arms get a head start.

There's just 1066 not enough time.

You can't move your 1067 pelvis that much that far.

And that's why 1068 it's happening in your swing that if your 1069 hands get the slightest bit too antsy 1070 from the top, or your shoulders start to 1071 go from the top, your hands go this way.

1072 And as you saw in Tiger's case, You know, 1073 he has much lower, shallower hands on top 1074 of his swing now.

Now, in order to 1075 compensate for that, he's got to have a 1076 steeper posture, steeper shoulder plane, 1077 steeper spine angle, because that's 1078 steepening moves in his swing, right?

So 1079 once you start, if you swing really 1080 upright with your hands, again, call him 1081 Montgomery.

Well, your posture is going 1082 to tend to be, I'm going to exaggerate 1083 this, you know, flatter shoulders, more 1084 upright arms, right?

1085 What you'll see in Tiger's case is that 1086 he's got.

steeper shoulders, shallower 1087 arms.

1088 Those two balance each other out.

Your 1089 hands still got to get up here somewhere.

1090 You got to have some leverage, right?

But 1091 as your hands are here, then you've got 1092 to be steeper with your spine, which 1093 makes it easier to get your hips out of 1094 the way.

And so from here, now, if I do 1095 any of this, I'm screwed, right?

If my 1096 hands, arms and shoulders are going 1097 because my hips will just never get out 1098 of the way in time.

So what he's doing, 1099 hands and arms are chilling out, buying 1100 time.

1101 For those hips to get out of the way, and 1102 that's why his hands look like they're 1103 way back behind where his hips are 1104 pointing.

And then, at the very last 1105 second, he's letting the club release.

1106 That's what you have to feel.

And again, 1107 as you remove all the extra arm load and 1108 tension from your swing.

Where they want 1109 to go and fire hard from the top, and you 1110 start prioritizing getting your hips out 1111 of the way.

and getting your hands a 1112 little bit shallow in relationship to 1113 your shoulders, then all of this stuff 1114 starts to kind of blend together a little 1115 bit easier so that you're not just 1116 standing straight up and firing your 1117 arms.

1118 Your posture, if you were a little bit 1119 steeper, that would help a little bit.

As 1120 you get a little bit flatter with 1121 everything, your hands kind of tend to 1122 want to go out this way.

Because as 1123 you're a little bit flatter with your 1124 shoulders, 1125 then this move to shallow it out, Starts 1126 to really get you coming way too far from 1127 the inside, feels unnatural and so you 1128 just kind of start goofing around with 1129 it.

So anyway, long story short, a little 1130 bit steeper with the shoulders will help 1131 a little bit the spine angle.

But the 1132 biggest thing is just again getting your 1133 hips to get out of the way while your 1134 hands stay back.

Okay, so set up a little 1135 steeper.

Yep, a little bit, Yeah, a 1136 little steeper at setup, tiny bit.

1137 Okay.

1138 How's that?

1139 That's fine there.

Let's work with that.

1140 All right.

1141 Good.

1142 There you go.

Better.

Again.

1143 Yeah, the hips are a lot better.

1144 All right, let's take a quick look at 1145 those.

1146 I can really feel my core a little more 1147 engaged than I typically do.

1148 Good.

1149 That will definitely be a big change.

1150 If you can start to feel that, that's 1151 very helpful.

1152 All right.

So I know you probably feel 1153 really bent over here, but you can see 1154 your posture looks totally fine.

1155 So now normally your hands would already 1156 be working out.

you know, immediately 1157 toward the ball, right?

1158 Yep.

1159 So there is much better in terms of the 1160 path that your hands are traveling on and 1161 the club is traveling on.

You can see now 1162 your hips are much more open.

1163 Yeah, exactly, so you can feel now how 1164 that starts to happen.

Naturally, as 1165 you're not trying to move your hands out 1166 toward the ball, your right arm.

The way 1167 that it's going to work in the swing, let 1168 me just get you down to impact here.

1169 Yeah, way better, all right.

So what 1170 you're doing is kind of immediately 1171 straightening and throwing the club ad 1172 out from the top, right?

And that's why 1173 your arm, right arm gets out like this at 1174 impact and is fully stretched out.

And 1175 you saw in Tiger's case, now he was 1176 hitting a pretty big cut there.

So it's a 1177 little bit different, trying to come down 1178 pretty steep and come across the ball a 1179 little bit and get the handle working 1180 left.

But you'll see that that right arm, 1181 the strangest way that I've ever been 1182 able to feel this in my own swing.

And 1183 the only way that I've really been able 1184 to kind of feel it and help other 1185 students understand it is basically.

1186 I'll show, I'll give you a kind of a 1187 simple drill to exaggerate this.

It's 1188 going to feel pretty strange.

Okay.

But 1189 it's going to help you understand when 1190 you have high hands, like you did at the 1191 top, not, not very high hands, right?

But 1192 like, you know, a little bit higher than 1193 this move to straighten this arm out and 1194 get your body away and turn a little bit 1195 flatter with your shoulders works.

Or 1196 even doing this kind of like the old 1197 sidearm throw where you get this elbow 1198 way, you know, doing this, that's a 1199 shallowing move.

Wouldn't necessarily 1200 recommend doing it quite that extreme, 1201 but it works because it's shallowing out 1202 the club, right?

1203 When you get steeper with your shoulders 1204 and you have shallower hands, the 1205 movement, you need steepening moves in 1206 your swing, which seems kind of 1207 counterintuitive, right?

Most golfers 1208 have way too much steepness in their 1209 swing in general.

1210 You're on the other side of it, okay?

So 1211 to steepen.

The hand, the path, like if 1212 you notice when I showed you the last 1213 video, your left arm at this point was 1214 vertical.

And a lot of times your left 1215 hand is out like this.

Always.

Your left 1216 arm, excuse me, right?

Yes.

So again, 1217 that's a shallowing move, okay?

1218 But in order to feel this correctly, the 1219 steepening move is, the way that I 1220 describe it, is I take the club.

1221 What's that?

Trace the plank.

1222 Yeah, it's like tracing the plane line, 1223 but this is a little bit different 1224 because it's kind of focusing on what my 1225 hands and arms are doing to change the 1226 pitch and attitude of the shaft.

So I 1227 actually feel like I'm stabbing myself in 1228 the leg with my shaft.

Okay.

1229 These are big exaggerations, and I'll 1230 show you how to tone this down, but I 1231 want you to think about this again as 1232 steepening and shallowing moves, right?

1233 So if I do this, my hips aren't going to 1234 get out of the way.

It's a shallowing 1235 move, right?

It works.

There's guys that 1236 play on the tour that do it, right?

1237 And then this is a steepening.

This looks 1238 just as crazy as this, but that's what 1239 they have to feel like because there's so 1240 much force acting on the shaft, on your 1241 body.

It's happening so quickly.

So this 1242 is one of those cases where it kind of 1243 helps to really exaggerate something to 1244 the extreme.

And then slowly start toning 1245 it down and watching what happens on 1246 video, because it feels bizarre, as can 1247 be.

And then you see it on video, and 1248 you're like, oh, wow, this actually 1249 starts to, it doesn't look anything like 1250 it feels, okay?

This is one of those 1251 things.

So here, your right arm, you're 1252 normally doing this.

It needs to do this.

1253 Again, exaggeration.

Yes.

1254 Right, so it's going to straighten out a 1255 little bit, but you can't go this way.

1256 This will cause you to stand up, okay?

1257 Yes.

1258 So now, as I'm doing this, 1259 with my arm, you can see that that pulls 1260 my left arm in to my body instead of 1261 going out this way.

1262 Huge exaggeration.

So I go here and then 1263 it helps me as I'm doing this, helps me 1264 get my left hip out of the way.

And you 1265 can see my arm, My right arm is more into 1266 my body and then it's more connected.

And 1267 then releases here, where I can get rid 1268 of that final last little bit of elbow 1269 bend for speed at the bottom.

Okay.

1270 As I start to tone this down, so I'm not 1271 like stabbing myself in the thigh, that's 1272 a big steepening move.

Then I start to 1273 kind of feel like it goes to the front of 1274 my thigh and then it goes to the middle 1275 and then it goes to my left thigh.

And 1276 then I start thinking about, oh, that's 1277 getting my left thigh out of the way, my, 1278 you know, my left leg.

So now as I keep 1279 this back, it brings the club out on top, 1280 as you mentioned, like tracing the plane 1281 line this way.

Again, these are 1282 exaggerations, but you get the idea of 1283 this is very different than that.

1284 That's the huge exaggeration.

1285 Bingo.

Yep.

1286 Exactly like that.

Yep.

1287 Do it a couple more times.

1288 It starts to work naturally.

1289 Yeah.

1290 Now do that again.

Keep doing that, but 1291 just let the club kind of swing through, 1292 through the hitting area while trying to 1293 maintain that feeling.

1294 All right, cool.

Let's take a quick look.

1295 Okay.

1296 So that feel pretty extreme, I'm 1297 assuming, right?

Yes.

1298 Okay.

So you'll be shocked when you see 1299 what happens with that.

1300 So naturally, you can see your hands are 1301 shallower at the top, right?

You're 1302 starting to kind of put this stuff 1303 together.

I love that top position right 1304 there, like just the way it looks.

I 1305 would love to say that.

1306 Well, what's cool about this is when you 1307 start thinking of the swing holistically, 1308 you start thinking about the whole thing 1309 of what you're trying to do.

1310 Part of me, let me pause this for just a 1311 second.

1312 So I think for a lot of golfers, the 1313 swing gets really disjointed because they 1314 look at the swing in components, right?

1315 And certain components work really well 1316 with certain things and certain 1317 components don't work at all.

Okay.

And 1318 again, I think the simplest way to think 1319 about it and how all of my research 1320 started with high hands versus low hands 1321 is understanding the swing of like, okay, 1322 if you have this, you need a lot of 1323 shallowing moves.

You have this, you need 1324 a lot of steepening moves.

Okay.

But when 1325 you think about the swing in terms of 1326 like, okay, well, what's the purpose of, 1327 you know, mastering a takeaway like this?

1328 Well, honestly, there's not really much 1329 purpose in that.

Because what really 1330 matters is the downswing.

It doesn't 1331 really matter.

You can see guys like Ray 1332 Floyd do this crap.

1333 That's a hard position to recover from, 1334 but you can do it.

My bigger point is 1335 that everything that you're doing in the 1336 downswing is the top priority.

And so 1337 when you start thinking about how your 1338 downswing needs to really work, based on 1339 the elevation of your hands and what 1340 you're trying to do with your swing, then 1341 the backswing starts to happen in a way 1342 that automatically allows you and it sets 1343 itself up for the priority, which is the 1344 downswing, right?

So if you think to 1345 yourself, 1346 okay, Chuck's telling me I got to steep 1347 in and my left hand, my left arm is going 1348 to be much steeper and vertical instead 1349 of swinging out away from me.

And so now, 1350 you know, as you're taking the club back 1351 during the takeaway, you start to set 1352 yourself up so that this becomes possible 1353 because this steepening move is not 1354 possible from here.

1355 You know, or taking the way outside that 1356 doesn't make sense, right?

So what I?

My 1357 goal is again trying to simplify this 1358 stuff for everybody to be able to learn 1359 faster.

Is that?

As you start thinking 1360 about, Okay, if I'm gonna be, you know, 1361 have a shallower arm plane at the top and 1362 I start wanting to do.

Add these 1363 steepening moves.

Well, then everything 1364 I'm doing from the moment I start that 1365 club back is all about setting that up.

1366 So the takeaway and the position of the 1367 backswing all starts to become 1368 instinctual.

Because all you're trying to 1369 do is make these priority moves happen 1370 naturally, and so that's what you'll see.

1371 You'll start naturally getting to a 1372 shallower position at the top.

Without me 1373 trying to tell you to do it.

Because it 1374 makes sense with how you're trying to 1375 bring the club down to downswing.

And so 1376 now your swing isn't a big bucket of 1377 parts.

It's one cohesive unit with all of 1378 these steepening and shallowing moves 1379 that work together.

So you can see there, 1380 like, I didn't tell you to, like, 1381 lay the club off, or, you know, shallow 1382 it out right here, you're doing this.

1383 Because in order for your right arm to 1384 work in the way that I told you in the 1385 downswing, you have to, yeah, wow, so you 1386 can see now the club shaft, your arm are 1387 all basically on the same plane.

I didn't 1388 tell you to do that, I didn't teach you 1389 that, but I knew it would happen as you 1390 start thinking about this stuff in terms 1391 of what is it going to do to my 1392 downswing.

And so now you can see that 1393 the club is going to, it needs, because 1394 your hands are much deeper than they 1395 normally are, you need steepening moves.

1396 And that's where stabbing yourself in the 1397 thigh.

But look where your hands are.

Oh, 1398 they finally dropped straight down.

I 1399 honestly didn't think I was capable of 1400 there.

1401 Well, from your position at the top 1402 before with your high hands, it's more 1403 challenging.

You need to do, you know, 1404 honestly, one of the best shallowing 1405 moves for high hands is losing your tush 1406 line.

That's a big shallowing move.

As 1407 you move your pelvis into the ball, it 1408 drops the shaft because your spine gets 1409 more upright.

It's not ideal, but it 1410 works, right?

So as I got your hands 1411 shallower at the top, but your shoulders 1412 steeper.

1413 Now your hands need to work in a steeper 1414 fashion naturally.

And so by giving you 1415 that little, my little goofy stab 1416 yourself in the thigh drill, you can see 1417 the club gets steep on playing through 1418 your forearm, but your hands are way 1419 back.

And again, this is an exaggeration, 1420 right?

1421 We want your arm to be about vertical, 1422 not quite inside, but normally it was way 1423 out here, right?

1424 So you can see that even though this move 1425 feels insane, as you start to do this 1426 with a little bit of pace, it all starts 1427 to gel together as you start fighting the 1428 forces that are acting on the club.

You 1429 can see now there is no chance of you 1430 swinging your hands out toward the ball.

1431 Nope.

1432 Right?

1433 Yeah.

1434 So then I said, okay, let's try to do it 1435 with a little bit of pace.

1436 Let the club kind of keep coming through.

1437 You can see the club keeps shallowing.

1438 And as you notice, which is great, your 1439 hips start to naturally do what they need 1440 to do because they need to get out of the 1441 way because your hands are coming down 1442 steeper.

That's a steepening move, right?

1443 So you'll see that this all starts to gel 1444 together.

And so now instead of thinking 1445 about, okay, I got to make sure I shift 1446 to the left and push my left hip out of 1447 the way and all that stuff.

1448 It happens automatically, right?

1449 Because of the way that your hands and 1450 arms are coming down with these 1451 steepening moves.

You can see now, like, 1452 look how shallow your left arm is now, 1453 right?

Again, you're doing this 1454 naturally.

And this is why I personally 1455 believe that this will be a faster way 1456 for people to learn the really important 1457 complexities of the swing, the stuff that 1458 has to happen to have a good golf swing.

1459 Naturally, you're a perfect example of 1460 the clubs now totally shallowed out.

It's 1461 coming down on plane.

And then as you 1462 started to come through, even there, 1463 like, your hands are going straight down, 1464 staying back, hips getting out of the 1465 way, that's it.

Make sense, 1466 Yeah.

So, I mean, on those last, you 1467 know, you said first to the thigh, then 1468 the leg, then to the middle, then left 1469 leg.

1470 When I was going through, is that kind of 1471 the last stage of that drill?

1472 Say that.

I didn't catch the last part.

1473 Your volume was a little – I'm having a 1474 hard time doing some of these.

1475 So, 1476 you said when I started this drill, I 1477 needed to focus on the right thigh and 1478 then gradually work it through the – 1479 Yeah, so as you saw, when you really 1480 tried to stab yourself in the thigh, your 1481 hand stayed way back, right?

Yeah.

You 1482 may still feel that, but as you start 1483 adding speed, 1484 you're not going to be able to, right?

1485 You're not going to be able to stab 1486 yourself in the thigh because your body 1487 turn, hip turn, all that stuff's 1488 happening so much quicker that you may 1489 still feel this.

But it's actually going 1490 to be way out here because everything is 1491 turning right, so that's part of the 1492 dynamics of the swing.

When you're doing 1493 stuff slow, sometimes you have to really 1494 exaggerate these things because when you 1495 add pace to them, you've got centrifugal 1496 force.

Trying to fling your arms out, you 1497 got your hips ripping, you got all kinds 1498 of stuff going on, right?

And that's why 1499 when I was working on this drill, I'm 1500 like, I have to feel personally so 1501 extreme with it.

Because of the forces 1502 that are acting on the club, right?

Like, 1503 As I'm going back, especially as you 1504 start really adding pace to your 1505 backswing, right?

Now that you're 1506 swinging more around.

As you're going 1507 this way, gravity is pulling the club 1508 this way.

1509 The force of the club, inertia is pulling 1510 the club this way.

You need to steepen it 1511 now, 1512 right?

1513 Whereas before, if your hands are up 1514 here, 1515 steepening is the last thing you need to 1516 do, right?

You start steepening it, 1517 you're going to miss it.

You're going to 1518 whiff it, right?

So again, that's why, as 1519 you start swinging shallower to simplify 1520 things, you now have to think about it.

1521 In terms of what forces am I fighting 1522 now?

And that's why I have to feel such 1523 an exaggerated move, because I've got all 1524 this momentum going this way.

I need to 1525 overcome that and get that club to be 1526 steep.

Because if I let this happen and 1527 then go the old school way of shallowing 1528 it right, I'm coming a mile from the 1529 inside and blocking it off the freaking 1530 planet.

Okay, yep, That's where I think a 1531 lot of players, especially low handicap 1532 players, good players with good movements 1533 like you have, they kind of get in this 1534 no man's land in terms of the steepening 1535 and shallowing moves, right?

It's not 1536 that somebody telling you to feel like 1537 this is a bad thing per se, but if your 1538 hands are up here, if your hands are 1539 already down here, 1540 first of all, there's not much else for 1541 them to go, but you're already shallow.

1542 Because your arms are already shallow in 1543 relationship to your shoulders.

So if 1544 you're already shallow and you try to add 1545 more shallowing moves, well, now all of a 1546 sudden, you went from being a good golfer 1547 to a shitty golfer because you're 1548 blocking it and hooking it off the 1549 planet.

It's not that that information is 1550 wrong.

It's wrong for that set of 1551 steepening and shallowing moves.

Does 1552 that make sense?

Absolutely.

1553 So you may feel, to get back to that, 1554 you may feel like this on the way down.

1555 as your body starts moving fast.

Or you 1556 may start to get to the point like, oh, I 1557 feel it's pretty natural.

I feel like I'm 1558 doing it more into my left thigh.

But my 1559 point is the feeling of that will be 1560 dependent on just kind of how all the 1561 forces that you're fighting, how fast 1562 you're moving and all of that stuff.

So 1563 don't give yourself a hard and set rule 1564 with it.

Don't say, okay, I need to start 1565 working it forward.

1566 Look at what your swing is doing 1567 dynamically.

1568 Are your hands still shallow?

If you 1569 start trying to go to your left thigh, 1570 like some people may feel, 1571 you know, are you now getting steep again 1572 because you're trying to move the hands 1573 or what have you?

So think of it more 1574 holistically is the kind of the end story 1575 there.

1576 Gotcha.

1577 Yeah.

So I'm going to work on that.

1578 I mean, 1579 that kind of took.

1580 You know, that separation that we were 1581 working on, that girl takes care of it.

I 1582 mean, that really is all I need to be 1583 focused on.

1584 As you do this, again, exaggerating, this 1585 automatically separates this stuff, 1586 right?

Gotcha.

At first, I was just 1587 trying to get you to feel a little bit 1588 more dynamic and the natural shallowing 1589 of it and your body and all that stuff.

1590 And then as you start doing this, you'll 1591 feel how this starts to happen naturally.

1592 But again, it's going to feel really 1593 goofy at first, but you saw it on video.

1594 Even with the big exaggeration.

it's not 1595 nearly as big as you think, right?

1596 Yeah.

1597 Cool.

All right.

That's great.

1598 So I would just work on that for a little 1599 bit, watch it on video, see what's 1600 happening, do some drills, exaggerate it, 1601 and then add some pace to it and be like, 1602 holy crap, I can do this a lot more than 1603 I thought, or maybe I'm doing it too 1604 much.

And then you've got to find that 1605 happy little medium.

1606 Gotcha.

1607 Man, thank you so much for your time 1608 today.

1609 Awesome, man.

I hope it helps.

And do you 1610 mind if I share this?

I know this is a 1611 lot of new stuff that I've been working 1612 on and I'm putting out on videos.

Do you 1613 mind if I share this lesson?

Yeah, that's 1614 fine.

1615 Cool.

All right, dude.

Well, let me know 1616 how it works out.

1617 I will.

Thank you.

1618 All right.

Talk to you soon.

Bye.

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Asle
The little flick of the wrist thru impact - is that with the LW alone or with both wrists? Is this the release as well? Is this for a R side dominant player only, for in other videos we hear that the release should happen naturally without any active use of the wrists?
December 31, 2022
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Asle. The release will happen naturally as the posting up will start to trigger the throwing/squaring of the club. Lead side players will tend to have a more gradual release. Trail side can add a little more trail side force and stability but a brief moment in time. They won't look all that different. Take a look at Overview of Push Release and Tape Drill.
January 1, 2023
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Mark
You have a really good swing
June 28, 2022
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. Which one? I see lots of good swings on this lesson
June 28, 2022
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roberto
I seem to be having trouble with decelerationo of swing . my follow through is not consistent...roberto
December 22, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roberto. Try the drill in How Swing Speed Affects Compression (for deceleration) and You Throw the Club Head at the Golf Ball Videos.
December 22, 2020
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Mark
I tried this (stabbing thigh) at the range today. Hit the ball great! However will this encourage me to get my hands and arms too active again? This is one area I have improved lately amongst others (thanks Craig) by keeping my hands and arms quiet. So if I continue to start the downswing with my lower body when do I initiate the stabbing the thigh move? Great work Chuck!
December 8, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. You're welcome. But, you do all the hard work. It can get them a little active, but that is why it is imperative that you get the shift and shallow first before deploying the move. After the sq to sq/shallow arms you would implement.
December 9, 2020
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Eric
Had a couple of good rounds after this. I kind of noticed i hit it well but lost a little distance. I had been getting into a good top of backswing by putting weight into my trail foot (weight shift) and rotating from my trail side keeping some connection with trail pec and bicep. Today I focused on keeping my left arm straight to get extension to recoup distance. I think it put some tension into my trail shoulder and I hit a few awful shots mixed in with a lot of good ones. Is that an issue? Do you want to keep a relaxed straight right arm, but relaxed? I was working in front of a mirror. I think when I get lazy and round my shoulders, coupled with the pec-bicep my swing gets very narrow. Getting good shoulder posture helps maintain width and extension?
November 7, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Good posture and rotation will help with extension when the trail arm stays straight. Nothing in the swing should be excessively glued/locked. Good setup and rotate while keeping the trail arm straight. Don't overly tense up.
November 9, 2020
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francis
As I watched and absorbed the insights from this video I was reminded of the “throw the ball drill” lesson which I then reviewed. This drill explains the correct role of the right arm, and if done properly , results in a perfect lower body action almost effortlessly. I am left wondering about the value of adding in the “squat move”, which in the “throw the ball drill” isn’t mentioned ? Frank McManus Liverpool England
October 30, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Francis. The squat move is a must when performing the drills. Not mentioned in the throw the ball drill, but weight shift/squat still occur in that move.
October 30, 2020
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H.J.
Great VDO. Regarding the timing of the ‘stab the thigh move’, does that coincide with max pressure of the lead foot?
October 30, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello H.J. It will be around the time of that peak force.
October 30, 2020
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David
How low should the hands be at the peak of the backswing? Should line created by the lead arm be above, at, or below the right shoulder when looking at the swing head on from the right side? Thanks.
October 29, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello David. We will have new content describing exact positioning. Looking at it from the right side could mean a few different angles. So, not sure where exactly is the reference point. However, right now the goal is the trail arm at the bas of the pectorals.
October 30, 2020
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Kevin
This swing thought really has helped my under plane and allowed me to finally pick some fairway woods out of deep rough. I didn’t block any shots right when I played today - miss was a pull hook but once I stopped my shoulders square at impact that went away. Still under plane and coming off the tush line but I’ll get there
October 28, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Kevin. Glad the video helped. Some of that isn't tush line, but camera angle.
October 29, 2020
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Richard
Yes what did you discover that caused you to go to this effortless swing and what drills did you use to transition from your original swing and how much speed did you gain along the path if any and how lond did it take to gain that sped.
October 28, 2020
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Chuck
I think you're looking at this from the wrong perspective and a bit out of context, and that's because I haven't given the context to you yet! I'm still writing and working through some things on the force plate and need some more time to finalize these details, but trust me they're coming! I'm on page 61 writing so far!
October 28, 2020
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Gareth
Great video Chuck, the "stab the thigh" steeping move really helped on hitting the long iron & fairway wood. However I think I over did the steepening move? Toward end of my round yesterday, I chunked a few short irons & ones I manage to hit were at least 10 yards short. Am I right?
October 28, 2020
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Chuck
Gareth, my quick guess is that you probably tend to pick the club up with the arms more with the shorter clubs and not make as good of a turn as that's a common problem and result pairing.
October 28, 2020
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Richard
When Chuck says his swing feels without effort is that just between his hands and the grip.I would like to ask him about the old swing or swings on video with his old s wing prior to rotary did heuse to move the club w as it hands and arms like us and how many mph was he able to generate and how does he dicover adding more speed while changing his s wing. exactly how what was he woring on when he noticed an increas e in speed or did he a wsy have speed even w ith hands and arms,
October 27, 2020
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Chuck
When I'm talking about feeling effortless, I'm generally feeling to how much work my entire body, including my arms and hands felt like they had to put into the swing. I'm not sure I understand the rest of the question,c an you rephrase?
October 28, 2020
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Geir
Could you please clarify one point that confuses me. One of the RST mantras (?) and also a focus at the beginning of this lesson is to leave your arms quiet from the top of the backswing. During the steepening move shown here, however, the lower right arm is actively moving downwards and away from the upper arm, losing the angle of the right elbow. This is also clearly necessary to get the hands close to the body. At what point should the lower arm start to move away from the upper arm?
October 27, 2020
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Chuck
Geir, this should not be an active motion, it's actually quite subtle and more a guiding motion than an active motion.
October 28, 2020
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Rayan
Chuck, after watching this video a couple of days ago, a light went off in my head. The stab yourself in the leg routine has worked for me. I’ve practice this move a few thousand times and can report that I am hitting my irons flush, i.e., dead center and a baby draw. Love it. This coming from a guy who had to fight a slice every time. If nay of you suffer from slicing, or even hooks, you must try the stab your self in the leg move. It works. Thank you so much. Now I don’t have to consciously think to bow my lead wrist and turning my left. It just happens. As I said earlier the contact is flush and that sound is contagious. I had to work my way from stabbing my trail leg to moving the stab to my lead leg. Once I did this the magic began to happen. I now have to make my full turn to move out of the way of the stabbing motion, and solid contact occurs. I LOVE IT!!! Thank you so much Chuck. You’re the best. Keep teaching us the right way. So happy I’m a member.
October 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Rayan. Awesome. Thanks for the report and good news. Keep striking that ball flush.
October 28, 2020
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Eric
Wow, what a great video. I just referred a friend to your website. I told him to spend a coupe of weeks watching the 5 minute series and the winter exercises, and then watch this video once he understands the concepts. I have been a member for three years and have improved, but I was alsways missing something. I have fought to get to a good elbow down position at the top of the backswing and when I miss it is mostly left. I have been working on A alignment posture and good right side pull. I am a notorious left side pusher. If I get a flying right elbow Iam toast, over the top. This video made me realize I was putting muscle tension into my right shoulder which leads to a flying elbow and firing from my right shoulder and hands/arms. Now I do try to connect my pec and bicep anf let the weight transfer initial rotation take me to the top in a relaxed position (learned from the right arm only swing). My right shoulder is relaxed and elbow down, I the shift to the left side and I can feel that separation between the right pec and bicep. I have been doing this as a drill going to the top, feeling the left weight shift separation and then hit the ball. The ball flies straight and long. I had been hitting a high ball, but now it is much lower trajectory. It feels amazing, I feel like I go under the ball with a beautiful finish. When I go to a full speed swing (trying to keep pec/bicep connection) I hit about one out of five off to the right. Sometimes I fee the separation and sometimes not, but sometime when i don’t feel it, it still goes well. If I try stabbing the right leg on practice I end up pull hooking it a bit. How should I build this into my regular swing, a swing rehearsal practice swing. I am tempted to do the stop at the top, but my buddies would make fun of me : ). Thanks, this was an amazing video teaching me top of backswing and downswing!
October 27, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Stopping at the top and rehearsal swings before hitting the ball both will be a good way to go about it. Make sure you film your reps so you can have some feedback. If you start hooking we should check to make sure that you aren't getting too active with the hands, or adding shoulders with the release.
October 28, 2020
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James
This seems to explain the Justin Rose pre-shot routine. Thoughts?
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello James. Justin may be working on the same type of principle, but I unsure without asking him .
October 27, 2020
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Jim
A lot of my own faults have become clearer after watching this entire online lesson. I finally understand why my shaft tends to shallow too much from a high hands positions and how to correct it with lower hands and and the critical steepening move discussed toward the end of the lesson. I have had other professionals tell me this, but I never really had a good mental image and understanding of all the components necessary to accomplish it. Also, for someone who struggles with lag and release, I can see how it sets you up to be able to more easily release the club as well. Thanks again for a great lesson.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jim. Glad you enjoyed the lesson.
October 27, 2020
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Matt
In my practice swings I tend to always get the high hands as I felt that 'looked' better on video but then when I added pace I always ended up with lower hands but still would be trying that same shallowing move so I would get some pretty big hooks or at times shanks when trying to force have ahead. So I understand the premise that low hands need to add some steepening movement but in regards to people who have done the dead drill boot camp and still working through those drills, how does this fit? Is it good to work on the dead drill without a club so you keep getting the sequencing down but then when you add in the chub and look at video see if you are low hands add this drill to supplement? Or is there a whole different thought of dead drill moving forward with this stuff?
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
DEAD Drill is focusing primarily on the lower body and the arms are added in but left as a variable as to how you want to elevate and use them. I'm wanting to be able to choose one over the other based on the results of my study. So the primary difference that will come of this is being explicit on how the arms work best and why to hit more consistent, effortless shots. Keep in mind that these feelings I gave Matthew in this lesson were very extreme exaggerations and not something that you're going to try and achieve literally.
October 26, 2020
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Matt
Are there going to be drills similar to this to help with this variable? I guess I sort of got confused in the beginning when you worked with him to shallow but then you finished by steepening so I wasn't sure where the blend there was.
October 26, 2020
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Manning
Can't help but feel like this is a bit of a reversion to Jim Hardy and his teaching swinging along the arc after tipping the shaft in the downswing - with lower hands at the top, and a more bent over set up. Perhaps with the only difference being the mechanism of speed through impact being generated from the legs with Rotary Swing vs. the torso with Jim Hardy.
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
Hardy’s teaching on how the arms work is something that i strongly disagree with. The only similarity is that i am suggesting lower hands which he advocates with what he calls a one plane swing
October 26, 2020
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Michael
Delighted to see that you and Mike Malaska are on the same page regards tipping the shaft on the downswing. This is probably the best lesson I have seen you give as I could have been this student. It is worth noting that ending up with the hips in much the same position as address at impact along with hands going out will result in frequent shanks and will destroy your love of the game.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Michael. Thanks for the compliments on the lesson and happy you had some good insights.
October 27, 2020
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Richard
Chuck You give such detailed explanations yet I never seem to get clearer.I would like to know what does it feel like to go through the impact zone using the big big muscles as opposed to the arms After Chuck says people lose speed by trying to carry the club through rather than release it with the forearms, exacatly when does speed occur and for how long ,and what does it feel like.
October 26, 2020
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Chuck
Great question Richard! The trick to answering this question is that it could feel a lot of different ways for a lot of different people - and that's what I'm trying to resolve. Some golfers will feel very right arm dominant and you can play great golf this way, some may feel left, some may feel hips, some may feel XYZ. So it's impossible to say unless you have a different way of measuring the swing. What I mean by that is what is your end goal. For me, it's effortlessness. At the end of the day, that's what I really care about, feeling pure, effortless shots over and over again. To achieve that, the less I use my arms, the easier it is. So, from that perspective, the best speed feeling is when my hips and legs drive my torso through and my arms whip through at the end, feeling like they did nothing at all.
October 26, 2020
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gordon
This is a fascinating video lesson containing several gems on information. I would appreciate some help sorting them out! High hands (at the top of the backswing) due to excessive elevation tend to cause a steep downswing so need a shallowing move after transition, whereas the opposite statements are true for low hands, - is that correct? Having a more „bent over“ set up tends to keep the hands lower at the top of the backswing, so a steepener is needed in the downswing, which is the purpose of the stab-in-the-thigh exercise, is that correct. Incidentally the Tiger Woods video clip included in the lesson showing how open his hips are shortly after transition was a real eye-opener for me. Thanks for sharing this lesson, and for your guidance re the above questions, Regards, Gordon.
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Gordon. Sounds like you are on the proper track to me. We will have drills and further follow up information to help you work on the corrections. This lesson is a good way to start showing some of the newer concepts in real world application.
October 26, 2020
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Roger
FOR ME, I have to bow my wrist to get the club moving down and not out. If he would try to bow his wrist at the top, it will help as compared to being cupped. That should be your next project, cupped wrist as compared to flat/bowed wrist.
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roger. Thanks for the suggestion.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
Whoa. I went from clarity to confusion with the last 10-15 minutes of this one. Just for clarification, when does the "stab the leg" feel begin? It looked like he was in a great delivery position when you got him to stop firing the upper body at transition by using the lower body only and letting the hands fall straight down, and then it seemed to me from there (which is "post up and release"), you introduced the stab the leg feeling. Could that be why I sometimes feel I'm coming from too far inside? I know you're going to be doing videos of this with drills etc.., but I'm really intrigued and confused at the same time. I'll say this Chuck, you continue to amaze me with your insight and innovation, and your desire to make it easier to learn. PS: I am breaking 80 again, and at 62, I have more power now than I've ever had. Thanks!
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. Yes. It could be why you feel too far inside at times. Think about the Trace the Plane Line Video. We will have further drills, etc. This is just some introductory information.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
Hi Craig. Isn't this video only for someone who is coming down too flat and needs a quick fix to steepen at the last half second?
October 26, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. I was referring to your comment about being too far inside. That video isn't referring to a quick fix, but if you keep pulling and don't allow for the forearms to rotate down you will be under plane and not zero out the path into the strike.
October 26, 2020
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Alan
I don't think you ever answered my first question. At what point should "stab the leg" begin? From the top? From the delivery position? Thanks Craig.
October 28, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Alan. The move will be subtle and not too active. After the initial drop/shallow you being the motion.
October 28, 2020
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Tom
I am a low hands guy and after watching the video I decided to head to the driving range. I feared whiffing the ball and bouncing the clubhead off the ground in front of my buds. However, after a couple of dozen slow motion swings with mixed but improving results I decided to add a little pace to my swings focusing on clearing my hips while moving my right arm as demonstrated. The combination of momentum and the right arm movement resulted in what I am sure was the best golf shot I have ever hit. Even better, I felt no control over the club and it zipped through the hitting area before I knew it at a speed to which I am not accustomed. And then I did it again and again! Chuck, thank you for all the hard work you have put into bringing your insights to all of us. Kindest regards, Tom
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Awesome. Thanks for letting us know your results and keep up the good work!
October 26, 2020
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Ken
I mean, I guess I didn't need to hear what this guy had to say, but it would have been nice. Couldn't hear anything past the first word he would say. Nice lesson though.
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ken. Apologize about the audio. It is a little tough to hear what Matt is referring too.
October 26, 2020
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Carver
This lesson should be required viewing for all golf pundits, announcers etc. You took this opportunity of expanding a lesson into an enlightened, holistic understand of the golf swing. Describing the swing as a combination of steepening and shallowing moves made so much sense and rips the band aid off of quick fixes. You really lay out a path to swing improvement and offer the golfer a couple of options depending on whether they want to begin with a steepening or shallowing move, or in the case something in between. I thought the leg stabbing (you may need a new name) drill was fantastic and really helps get the feel of clearing the hips. Thanks Chuck.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Thanks for the kind words Carver! I'm really looking forward to releasing the new videos that are going to be done to align with the data to make the swing simpler and effortless!
October 25, 2020
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Lippen
I was a walking scorer at the ZoZo tournament and yesterday I was watching Patrick Reed warming up using a moon shaped pad under his right arm up at the chest in a position like Chuck was describing. He maintained the connection with pad all the way throughout the swing. My question is does this position reduce the width in the swing and does the right stay connected all the way through? Well done video and lesson!
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Width when viewed from face on in 2D sure, but a shallower arm swing creates more depth which is acting as width in that regard.
October 25, 2020
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Maya
Great lesson and explanation. I have a question. What is wrist doing at this point? Is it cocked while shallowing and continues that way until you release?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Ideally the trail wrist is very, very slightly adding a little hinge at this point. This helps shallow the club as well as allows the club to fall into the fingers more for subtle speed increase.
October 25, 2020
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Dale
I make these comments as a long time member and strong supporter. I joined at about the time when Chuck was switching from Rotary Swing to Rotary Swing Tour, or, from a low hands swing to a higher hands swing. The subject of this lesson has a pretty darn good high hands swing. He has almost classic position at the top of the backswing, where the left arm points at the ball. From here, a perfectly proper move is to swing the hands toward the ball, with the left arm being the plane arm until the release zone. It seems to me his problems are that he is doing things in the downswing that do not support his high hands swing. So, instead of tweaking these things, Chuck chose to change everything about his swing to a low hands swing: different spine angle, different shoulder turn, different transition where he has the right arm become the plane arm very early, etc. This requires a totally different release. I know Chuck has spent his recent months experimenting with ground forces and high vs low hands. From what he was doing in this lesson, it appears that he has concluded that the low hands swing is superior for most golfers, and he is moving from Rotary Swing Tour back to Rotary Swing. I have no problem with this, but I would appreciate Chuck’s comments on this. For myself, I am 84 year old with two bad knees and declining strength and flexibility. I feel I need a high hands swing to maximize the leverage I can get with my limited ability to get good rotation. Does that seem logical?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Hi Dale and thanks for your thoughts. I would say I didn't undue his entire swing as you put it, I made it simpler by simply reducing the amount of elevation he has, which made it easier to shallow the club - the main problem he was struggling with.
October 25, 2020
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Rayan
Chuck what an eye opening lesson. This was fantastic. I took a look at my swing on video and I saw how my arms were going out away from me. I then tried your “stab yourself in the leg” move and was amazed at the results. This “tipping” move works for me. thank you so much. Now I have to just consistently practice it, slowly, at first, then gradually speed it up. So happy I watched the entire video. Keep up the good work.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Thanks for the feedback! I was worried this might seem too complex to some.
October 25, 2020
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James
I think this is an excellent video from Chuck and have to agree with him that high hands, well certainly for me, make it more difficult to shallow the swing plane. I found this a very intuitive video that I can relate to in my own swing, well done Chuck. I have been really trying to focus on my hips more over the last few weeks, with the help of Craig's guidance to make this happen more. It is certainly a valid point for me shown at 43.10 where the pupils hips are square and I too am trying to get the left hip pulling back out of the way at this point. There is just one clarification I'd like to sort and that is at the 46.40 point where Chuck refers to making the spine steeper. I have taken this to mean, getting the upper body closer to the ground. Hope I have got this thinking correct. Well done Chuck and your student for clarifying a lot for me in this area.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
As you push your hips back away from the target your spine angle will steepen and move your head/upper torso closer to the ball.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Meant to say push hips away from target line/ball
October 25, 2020
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James
I worked on this today, trying to steepen my upper body but found it difficult to get my left hip back out away from the ball, plus I lose my tush line. Not really sure what I am doing wrong here. Have to say at 79 I am not so flexible to do what Tiger does! :((
October 26, 2020
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James
Thanks Chuck, yes this is how I read this. This actually helps my dodgy lead leg as well
October 25, 2020
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THOMAS
...continuing on my comment...when I refer to flexion I mean that combo of flexion and arm rotation that gives me the "set" feeling...hope I have those terms right
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Thomas. I think Chuck got you below. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
October 26, 2020
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Tony
Don't like the thought that swinging flatter will loose distance ! This method can go where the monkey stores his nuts.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
If you aren't near your potential, then this isn't a concern for you. I dropped from 122 to 119 but hit it more solid more consistently so overall distance has actually improved as my ball speed went UP 1 mph.
October 25, 2020
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
I am in process of watchin the video and hear Matthew saying he worries that lower hands might give him less clubhead speed. My guess is he might get even more speed by a little lower hands because that will take away the early firing of hands/arms wich will give his big muscles the chance to produce more power and give more effortless clubhead speed. I go on now watching rest of this interesting video!
October 25, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Marcel. This can be true. Matt will have the chance to be more efficient instead of deploying the speed too early.
October 26, 2020
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Kyaw Thet
I can relate this video with "square the club early" video. Are they similar concept?
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Yes, saying same thing in slightly different ways
October 25, 2020
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Cathy
Great lesson but I couldn't hear the gentleman you were working with at all! His sound went in and out but mostly out. But I could piece together what you were showing to him. I'm still amazed how simple the swing is when you think about it holistically as you mentioned. I usually just forget about my arms and concentrate more on making sure that after I've made the full shoulder turn to turn the hips and do the squat move and my arms magically fall into the slot. So cool.
October 25, 2020
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Chuck
Yes, unfortunately I couldn't hear him that well either.
October 25, 2020
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THOMAS
awesome lesson. Closer to the beginning of the lesson with the right-arm only swings starting with upper bicep connection to chest....I love the feel of keeping that bicep-to-chest connection with both hands on the club and gets me to a lower hands position at the top...everything feels better with the flexion at the top as well.....during the through swing it feels great all the way...and brushing the mat at the bottom the way I like to feel that as well....am I good with going full-time with that bicep-to-chest connection at address?
October 24, 2020
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Chuck
Yes it should be touching at setup as well. This helps the arms and body move more in sync to start the takeaway.
October 25, 2020

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