Widen the Lead Wrist

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Loren
I have been practicing this, inconsistently if I am honest, for a while now. I finally put it together and shot the best round I ever have. With that said, I used a 4i off the tee and played the entire round with irons only. Will I use the same "cast" at the top for woods and driver and change ball position? If you cover it in a video, let me know and I'll check it out just didn't see it. Thanks.
June 3, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
The swing is always the same for all clubs. Congrats on the great round!
June 3, 2024
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Remington
Hi Chuck, watching Tiger's iron swing in slow motion, he certainly does not cast the club from the top. The lag angle is maintained well into the downswing. A good video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTKW_UbusM. 1.39 into the video is the start of the downswing. Confused!
April 14, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
As i stated in these videos your hands need to move fast and that’s what minimizes the appearance of the cast. I also pointed out in a recent video that the hackmotion data shows about 5 degrees of cast in olesens data. You cant see 5 degrees of change unless you were looking from more overhead
April 14, 2024
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Remington
Hi Chuck, thank you for your reply. On your recommendation, I looked at this video of Tiger's iron swing from overhead. As you will hear from the commentary , at the start of the downswing 'he maintains a tremendous amount of lag'. No way is this consonant with casting the club. Relevant comment is 3.04 minutes into the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JScN25Fkqq8
April 14, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Commentary from who? A tv pundit like peter kostis lol? The data doesn’t lie. Not sure what else to tell you. You sre throwing it from the top that doesn’t mean you’re losing a huge amount of lag. As i said you cant see 5 degrees it will still look like you have a ton of lag which is exactly what i said in these videos so i suggest watch them again
April 14, 2024
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Remington
Thanks Chuck, I checked before posting. The wrist angles remain the same well into the downswing, so I cannot see how Tiger can possibly be casting. This shows it even more clearly: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3pmi0DuKiP/
April 14, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
The data doesn’t lie https://youtu.be/2ImwLmojFiM?si=CrdwsQIFb3taHl1c
April 14, 2024
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Remington
Thanks Chuck, I have looked at several videos in slow motion. On all of them, the wrist cock - little as you rightly point out - it is, remains unaltered well into the downswing. I simply cannot see the slightest evidence of releasing this early in the d/s. A prime example is the Tiger iron video cited earlier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTKW_UbusM. Here the L shoulder and a sink into the L side starts the downswing. The arms appear to remain passive. Have I missed something? This is obviously an important factor in the downswing and ultimately, the release of the club, so it would be good to have a clear understanding of what should happen. Thanks again for your input.
April 14, 2024
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bryan
Remington, If you go the video you first posted, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTKW_UbusM Set the playback speed to .25 and you can absolutely see his wrists begin making a motion like Chuck is saying as his hands get about head/face high on the way down. At full speed, even though the video is in slow motion, you can't see it. I couldn't either. But if you slow the slow motion way down, it's there and it's very minimal. I'd say the 5% he's talking about it pretty much right because it's not much.
April 14, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Remington, not sure how many different ways to say it - YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON CAMERA except in extreme cases. Get on 3d motion capture or the hackmotion, the data is all right there
April 14, 2024
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Mark
Sorry what I meant is that right forward has a tendency to want to roll over and shut face at impact close to ball even through I have always had lots of lag and held angle on way down till late
April 2, 2024
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Mark
I love the whole idea of releasing it early and letting wrists go but my main issue for years has been shutting the face at impact and my plane has always been good albeit a little flat and deep . Your follow through turn the left wrist right over to shut it but I am petrified of allowing that as mine is happening at impact often . I never flip upwards but looking at allowing the release with right hand the left hand looks so cupped past the ball . So how on earth do you hold it to bow at impact and then let it go without turning it over ? When I have tried to bow at impact in past I hook it wildly with even more shut face
April 2, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Mark, if you're flat and deep then there's your problem. You can't release the club correctly from there as that completely changes everything.
April 2, 2024
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Mark
This video focuses on grip pressure of 3 out of 10 only so you let club go and release from the top and on another video it shows the feeling with 3 fingers of right hand and middle 2 of left being the dominant ones. Then I hear you say in another video that one should grip it tightly like tiger did. These 2 comments are obviously opposites ? So what is it please , grip tight or soft?
April 1, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Mark, both work. Tiger grips the club very tightly, Sam Snead very soft. Experiment with both to see which works best for you.
April 1, 2024
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Steven
Hi Chuck, Could you please clarify what seems to be a difference in widening angle of club and forearm in throwing from the top and the GOAT delivery position where their angle looks to be at or remain at 90 degrees at that point. Thanks!
March 8, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Go back and watch the videos again as i discuss how this allows the hands to move faster and it wont actually look like you’re losing a ton of angle
March 8, 2024
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Steven
I’m sure I’m misunderstanding something obvious. I understand that in real time it won’t look like there is any significant loss of angle however it seems you are advocating for widening the angle as part of the throwing motion as also depicted in the lead photo of the video yet in the GOAT delivery position the angle is at or remains at 90 degrees which seems to indicate no change in angle at all from the top.
March 8, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
The movement of the cast is subtle as i discuss in the videos. If you look at the hackmotion data you can see the cast and just how subtle it is.
March 8, 2024
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Loren
This feels like a stupid question and perhaps I am just too stiff of a person but what do you mean by "guiding" the club on the way down? For me, it seems like when I try to bow my wrist, my grip tightens and when I "guide" I reduce the natural inertia.
February 22, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Loren, not a stupid question at all! This all happens extremely quickly so it's really a difficult thing to try and feel your way through the whole thing. Your goal is to feel like your hands aren't inhibited by the weight of the club. If you initiate with a slight cast a the top the hands should begin to feel like they can move down quickly with the clubhead rather than trying to forcibly pull the club head down. That's what you are trying to feel when I say "guided". It's more like them walking down the pathway together with the clubhead hanging behind slightly.
February 22, 2024
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Bernard
Chuck - Maybe just me needing clarity, or picking up different pieces of the videos to focus on, so hopefully this does not sound like a stupid question. I watched the YouTube video you released overnight and how you kept talking about not turning the shoulders, core, hips, etc. purely focusing on hand speed. I think I was going wrong as I was using my shoulder turn to swing the left hand to the top, whereas what I took from today's video is that you just swing the hand to the top and the body - shoulders, hips, etc. follow. Obviously I know you need to add in the lateral move too, but moving the left hand without focusing on the body really simplifies it in my mind, so is my new understanding correct?
February 22, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
HI Bernard, you are correct actually that the shoulders still have to turn to help move the arms like I discuss in the refining the backswing video. If you just swung the lead arm it would tend to end up deep and too long. If you turn well, you may only have to focus on the lead hand.
February 22, 2024
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Tassos
Chuck – Yesterday was my third day practicing this concept at the range and, although I have more work to do, it started to click. I was hitting my 7-iron 165 yards (which for me is a lot!) with minimal effort. A few questions: 1). Have you noticed that it is more difficult to maintain face control using this method? 2). I find it easier to bow my left wrist when I get to the top of my backswing (instead of doing it while coming down because everything is happening so fast). Is this OK? 3). For me, it works better when I try not to move laterally (i.e., when I stay over the ball), am I losing speed by doing this, and finally 4) can you use this method for chipping?
February 13, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
It should be easier to control the face as you are more aware of what your hands are doing. Flattening or bowing at the top yes is what you want to do. There is only a slight amount happening in the downswing but you can certainly do it earlier. You have to have lateral movement but you probably already have it. That’s why you feel like you’re staying more centered over the ball when you hit it better. As for short game, certainly the basic concepts are much the same.
February 13, 2024
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David Stephensen
A lot of the things you say really resonates with me, but I still can't get over the fact that it's quite contradictory to a lot of other videos on the site – maintaining lag, whipping the club (the wet towel), mostly using the lead arm and the trail arm being there for "support". Everything in this video is quite the opposite. How come?
February 8, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
As I said in the video, both ways of swinging the club work. You can look at someone like Sergio Garcia who has a lot of angle and Tiger as someone who has little. More than one way to skin a cat. This is specific to how Tiger and other greats swung the club
February 8, 2024
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Ron
So, the body responds correctly by proper use of the arms, wrists and hands?
February 7, 2024
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Ron
Chuck, I think I understand the correct way to do this because of how you explained it. Being an excellent communicator might be your best asset as a teacher. You have obviously put a ton of effort into this Goat program and the way you lay it out couldn’t be better, IMHO
February 7, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
If you understand how things are supposed to work, yes.
February 7, 2024
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Asle
When there's talk of increasing the W- angle quickly (from the top) - is that the same as widening the angle - which is a way of describing the throw which also is (a correct form of) casting? How about the RH release - is that also increasing the W-angle quickly? But if this happens from the top is there any thing more to throw in the hitting area/ any more W-angle to increase? Or is there something more in the release than this (already?) increased W-angle - maybe some additional rotational force? Or are these just more dumb questions?
February 4, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Again, having a hard time following what you're saying, but I'll do my best. Well, reading it for 3rd time now, still not sure what you're asking, but it sounds like you're trying to dramatically over complicate things. Try and keep it simple, widening the angle is casting the club which is accelerating the club and both hands do it. Doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
February 4, 2024
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Asle
Sorry that I can't ask questions in a better way. I think I understand the casting part. When that is done correctly, how does that effect what the RW does in the release thru the ball? My concern is that casting from the top is a kind of release(?)of the W's that perhaps makes the release at the bottom less effective or more difficult to do? Still not understandable? Maybe let Craig do the answering. He seems to get it.
February 4, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Ya, I don't think you are understanding the entire concept. The release is happening from the top which allows the hands to move faster which actually delays the full release to a degree.
February 4, 2024
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Asle
I must admit that I was hung up by all the talk about Tiger's strong RH release,. If the real release is from the top it makes more sense to me...and problem solved.
February 4, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
He talks about how he feels his right hand in all shots, but not specifically when he feels it. But as you have seen from the other videos most of the pros start this process immediately and since the entire downswing happens in less than a quarter of a second it's near impossible for our brains to really know exactly when it is happening.
February 4, 2024
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Asle
I have to get this right. When I compare this with skipping a stone on water, the real release is from the RW at the end/bottom. This is in my mind different than the throw/cast from the top  regarding how the RW works. I don't want to do all the releasing from the top. There has to be something left for the RW to do at the bottom releasewise. It's the active RW release thru the hitting area that stands for 2/3 of the speed, isn't it? So that's the important part. The throw from the top is more about getting there without making a mess out it - like OTT etc. My hope is to get this throw from the top ingrained as a feel and thereby get the real release going on at the bottom and that all of this happens by itself to perfection. But I must never compromise the active RW release at the bottom, for that's where it really happens, although it begins at the top and it can be seen as a whole. This is my thinking about about -  even though I'm the only who understands what I'm saying. I hope I am on the right track..
February 5, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
All of that is happening in barely more than the blink of an eye, so, try not to overthink it. You'll note that most pros have the right wrist still bent back at impact so there may be less release happening there than you think, but yes, it should be releasing through impact.
February 5, 2024
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David
Hi chuck - even though it sounds odd, I agree with the notion that this builds on rather than replaces/falsifies the more classic DEAD/AXIOM method. It’s hard to know for sure, but it seems like the body of experienced golfers knows what to do, in terms of getting in the right positions & getting out of the way. I feel like I was inching closer to this change of swing approach when trying to get rid of my long term under the plane, too in-to-out by focusing simply on getting my hands closer to my body during impact. The only way I found todo that was to feel like I moved the club’s pivot point (ie where the butt end moves from pointing over your left to your right shoulder) sooner, which I could only achieve by initiating what felt like more of a flip during impact - so am thinking that the flip is a kind of late cast… what do you think?
February 2, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
That might work, but seems like it would lead to an actual flip if taken too far. I simply think throwing it from the top gets the club right back out in front and everything else takes care of itself to a degree if you know what your hands should be doing at impact. As for how this all ties together, in my mind the DEAD Drill taught you the positions, the AXIOM was my first attempt to make those positions happen natural by feel and the GOAT Code was the missing link to how the greats actually did it in their swings.
February 3, 2024
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Diane
Chuck This is totally eye-opening! I'm not trying to incorporate it into my swing just yet as I need to focus on the earlier GOAT instructions first re shifting to lead side etc. But I tried this yesterday in the garden, and the club really swooshes through the grass! But with everything else I'm learning it would be too much for the brain just now. I think if I get the earlier steps working first, then it will be natural to add the wrist widening as the next part of the correct sequence. Over the years the DEAD Drill then the Axiom taught me the target shape of the swing and ironed out the absolute worst swing faults and all this was necessary in order for the GOAT theory (sequencing) to make sense. But it does make perfect sense and you can tell it does because it 'feels' right. You've broken it down perfectly from the very start of the swing until the end. I've even tried the swinging the club up the 'wall' at the end, and yes it does look good! Huge Thanks Chuck for all your efforts on our behalf!
February 2, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
You’re welcome!
February 2, 2024
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Watching again and again. Now I finally understand and feel what is meant with "Let the club do the work!" Thanks! Marcel
February 1, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes! Work smarter, not harder!
February 1, 2024
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Francis
Chuck, I understand this all about feeling the way the swing feels. I've always said that if I could be in Tiger's body for 5 minutes and feel how he swings, I'd be able to swing like him. But, it seems like the answer is actually doing exactly what I've been trying to stop doing for the last 20 years, CASTING from the top! Is this correct? If this is what you're saying, then I guess my problem is holding the club way to tight! Like 10 out of 10 ????. Please let me know if this is correct. Let me know what you think ????.
February 1, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Francis, yes, I'm going to do another video using some tour pros as an example of this for this weekend to help make it more clear. But the catch with casting "incorrectly" is often the hands don't move - often due to too much tension. The hands must move fast to "stay ahead" of the cast a bit, if you will. Often, golfers cast the club hard at the top and their hands stay there. The harder you throw, the faster the hands must move. And to move fast, muscles must be more relaxed.
February 1, 2024
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Francis
Cool. Relaxing my hands will be a challenge for me, but I'm looking forward to giving it a try! Too cold to hit balls here. But I will start working on the relaxed hands and arms. Well done my friend I will keep you posted on my progress !
February 1, 2024
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Brian
Thanks Chuck. This kind of reminds me of some of the teachings by Peter Croker. https://crokergolfsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/golfdigestarticle1.pdf Going to work on it Brian
January 31, 2024
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Jeff
that is what came to my mind. I was trying to find the book which I have yesterday, but can't seem to located it. Maybe in attic.
February 2, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
I think I had heard the name but never knew anything about him. We're on the same page with the throw I believe. His images show a super static body, but maybe just an illustration thing...
February 1, 2024
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Chuck, in terms of swinger or hitter would you say that this way you are trying to bring accros is the ultimate way to be a swinger and the more you use your body ( big muscles) you are moving towards being a hitter? Thanks for helping! Marcel
January 31, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Here is a reply I just posted in the WGW video re: the same question: Thanks Brian. I have thought a lot of swingers vs hitters. In my mind, while you certainly can divide them in half, I really think most of the GOATs were a combination of both. Throwing with the trail hand is what sped up the swinging of the lead arm. So, for me, I don't really differentiate between them anymore.
January 31, 2024
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M. (Certified RST Instructor)
Like your approach Chuck, that every golfers has element from both swinger and hitter. Some are more towards swingers others to the hitter group.
January 31, 2024
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Paul
Chuck, check out this video starting at the 5:46 mark. Rory is talking to Micah Morris (Golf youtube influencer) about feels to get the club unstuck. Micah earlier in the video says he struggles getting stuck. Rory prescribes the exact re-widing move from the top that you are teaching. Amazing stuff. Keep it up Chuck! https://youtu.be/H7o8j4Or_aI?si=jexhJzvvaF47wSmN
January 30, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Nice! Yep, that guy is powering it super aggressively with his body. Enjoy it while you're young buddy!
January 30, 2024
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Scott
If we're working on the C4 phases and DEAD drill and should we continue with that or switch to these feels? Seems like the DEAD is more related to having the body drive the movements and this is having more focus on the arms and having the body naturally react. Both make sense, but I like this GOAT stuff as it seems like it might be easier to execute.
January 30, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Scott, the GOAT Code is a culmination of all my word, DEAD, AXIOM, C4 (although C4 is more about ball striking mastery than mechanics, so they go hand in hand). So, this about tying them altogether in one simple feel so that all those other things happen naturally that I talked about before.
January 30, 2024
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Ken
Any chance to see the left-only and then this intro with the right hand in DTL view?
January 29, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
I can try and add that in some future videos. The positions etc from dtl are honestly not important. If you dont turn your body the club will go where it’s supposed to line you see in my swing. Trying to get the club to go where I wanted it to doing drills led me down many wrong paths as the swing is too dynamic and fast to do certain things in slow mo drills
January 30, 2024
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Ken
Chuck - thank you, and I got some good DTL views in the later series videos. I'll echo what the others are saying (all super positive) and tell you that a quick self-video after just a few practice swings and I actually look like a real golfer. Always knew that a nice-looking swing probably translates to better shots than an ugly one! Another old guy with back/body issues here, so excited to see what comes of this on the range/course (also, watching slow-motion videos of pros & talented friends completely backs up your "don't focus on lag" admonition and dispels a near-impossible task I've been overly focused on). You da man!
January 30, 2024
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David
Genius understanding and even better in the simplicity of the explanation! Can't wait to try to apply to my own swing. Thank you very much!!!
January 29, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Wow thank you!
January 29, 2024
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Francisco
This is so much better than I could have expected. I have a right hip injury from basketball and it hurts anytime I golf. This will be a game changer and life changer. Thank you do much Chuck!
January 29, 2024
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes brother! Changed my life too! My spine and hip are so wrecked from two wheel crashes and now I feel absolutely nothing!
January 29, 2024

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