Simple Fix to Make a Full Shoulder Turn

Struggle with making a full turn, even though your fit and flexible? Lacking the distance you know you deserve? Learn how to fix both in this live lesson!

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Malcolm
I am a right hander with a dominant right eye. If, in turning so much, the right eye is blocked in terms of seeing the ball during the backswing, then the downswing leads to the dominant right eye having to reacquire the ball. For me, with that big a turn, the left eye sees the ball in a different location than it actually is. Does this affect the outcome?
May 5, 2020
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hi Malcolm, great question here. If you are nailing down your transition perfectly, this should not affect the outcome at all. This has a lot to do with your proprioception and also partly due to vestibular processing. Proprioception informs us of our body position in space. The vestibular system, also known as our balance center, is responsible for receiving information regarding our bodies movement in space, as well as, acceleration and deceleration of movement.
May 7, 2020
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Robert
Is turning and loading onto the right hip consistent with the "5 minutes to Master Rotation" video?
May 5, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes. That video focuses on teaching people to rotate their upper body because the vast majority if our students over rotate their hips - at least it has always been that way. In these last couple live lessons you are seeing the opposite issue where they dont rotate enough. In the videos I tend to focus on the most common issues we see when speaking to a broad audience
May 5, 2020
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Harry
As Steve has his trail arm/elbow so far behind him, and you do mention him being deep, will this not lead to the arms firing first and hence losing lag? So even when he gets his lower body working correctly he still won’t get full power as his arms will be giving it away? I appreciate you can only work on one thing at a time but is my logic correct please?
May 4, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Yes but cant fix everything at once as you said. Once he has the big picture body work down first then the arms are an easy fix
May 4, 2020
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Bill
I love to watch these sessions! Just like the Roadshow...Bravo! We want more! Thank-you, Bill Georgen
May 4, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Cool, I'll post some more soon!
May 4, 2020
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Robert
Chuck, I continue to marvel at these on-line, one on one evaluation videos as they fully evaluate the most common ingrained bad habits. I only wish you were around 60 years ago when I first took up the game of golf. Getting non-members to watch these videos is an absolute key to gaining memberships
May 4, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks Bob, I wish I could've helped you back then too!
May 4, 2020
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Alan
Hi Chuck. I get that you want to energise Steve’s lower body, but in doing so there is a lot of head movement away from centre that he has to correct on the downswing. I see similarities with my head moving off centre due to lack of spine mobility. Is head movement not a concern for you?
May 4, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
I prescribed the wall drill to him in this lesson
May 4, 2020
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Tony
Just finished Bootcamp. Really struggling with weight shift still. Feeling really stiff and unathletic. All arms. I had been keeping my lead leg knee ahead and just bending it straight ahead over the foot. Having it come in toward my back leg makes a big difference in whole back swing and loading up and shoulder turn and feeling athletic. I feel like I can throw by lower body at the ball. Will work on this. FYI- I am actually a left handed golfer but am right handed thrower. I am a longtime former higher level tennis player with a one handed backhand (right arm leads just like golf).. You would think golf would be easy transition with core movement. It's not. LOL. Allowing this knee to turn in feels like my one handed backhand movement where I load up on back (left) leg and then rip through. I never had weight shift problems in tennis. Have always had weight shift issues in golf. Thanks for good video. Here is what I mean in tennis. Load up weight on blackleg and turn shoulders back- and then unload to front on swing through. You actually stall out the hips just like DEAD drill and the arm whips through. I never have that feeling in golf yet.
May 4, 2020
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Tony
Want to add one more picture. Here is Dmitrov when he then shifts his weight. This is just like the post up in DEAD drill. He shifts weight to fornt foot before the arm whips through. Notice the lag in racquet head. Look familiar??? LOL I do this in tennis without thinking. Have to get there in golf.
May 4, 2020
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Phil
Seems like the common denominator in all these lessons is that it s really hard to lose the "hit instinct" and just trust the biomechanics of the the rotation. I've been on RS for 2 years and I often walk my home course in the evening when its empty so I can not worry about hitting bad shots on the course. Every shot that I pure has one thing in common. I don't think about anything other than WEIGHT SHIFT. Only 1 swing thought allowed and it can't be about anything above the waist. Even a bad backswing or bad turn usually ends up ok if you can just let the upper body and arms relax and get the weight back to the left side. The club usually manages to fall to into the "slot" unless you think about putting it there. Any thoughts? Phil
May 3, 2020
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
The issue is that most people dont take thr time or effort to train the body to move correctly before jumping into hitting balls - thats what leads to the hit instinct overtaking your body movements - hitting a ball. If you take the time to prioritize training the body then this is no longer an issue.
May 3, 2020
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Phil
Chuck, Obviously, you're right about that, I think it's just human nature to give yourself verbal instructions when you're standing over the ball. Your body learns what to naturally do but when you tell it what to do, the fear of not executing the instruction is a ''death sentence"-tense muscles, death grip, short turn etc. Back in the 80's, the "inner game" books explained this perfectly. I think its true for any type of athletic movement.
May 3, 2020
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Tom
Steve - You did a good job of listening to Chuck and incorporating his insights. Good luck as you continue down this wonderful path of learning the RST method. Thank you for agreeing to share this video with the rest of us.
May 3, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Tom. Many thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video.
May 4, 2020
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James
I have the same concern (Problem) .. I don't usually call it a Problem but it is what it is Lol. Thanks guys smart work should help
May 3, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks James.
May 4, 2020
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Roger
OMG, Great drill. I feel with body and mind!!!
May 3, 2020
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Roger. Thanks for the post!
May 4, 2020

Speaker 1:
All right. So tell me a little bit about your game. What's going on. How can I help you guys shut golf courses? Open lucky dog guys do have golf courses open. We're still locked down here in Colorado.

Speaker 2:
I know, I know you're going to head out west. Once you can go out to the west coast, west coast swing, you're going to go up towards Seattle and stuff, but yeah, I've been doing the rotary swing on three or four years and I feel like I'm getting it down still. And did the bootcamp, when you did anchor session, when Chris I think was Chris was supposed to get married, I believe. And did that store come at? I just, I have a struggle when I go out to the course. I think I watched your training session with Jose, I believe from Dubai today. And I think I have some of the same issues where when I get loaded up a lot of times I feel like I wanna be the dragster fire from up here. So it's really transition issue of getting the weight back. And when you demoed it, where everything was coming here and you're here where you basically didn't release it is where I slow from going from the practice session over to the, you know, taking it to the course

Speaker 1:
That's super common. And nine times probably 9.9 times out of 10. The reasoning for that is just not loading up the lower body correctly in the backseat. And when we get over the ball, it's so easy to kind of grip down on that club, kind of lock the lower body in place. Cause we feel like we're going to have a better chance of making a good strike. We kind of minimize movement and then we have nothing, but our arms and hands and they kind of take over and that's what typically happens. So the cool thing is fixing. This is actually fun because then you start to feel a lot more athletic and powerful and relaxed and dynamic over the ball. So if you have the same stuff going on, as what Jose did, I actually just did another lesson with just before you do the same thing. It's really common that people kind of overdo keeping their hips quiet, and then they all of a sudden, there's nothing else to move the club. So this would be a really easy one to get you going on the right track and feel a million times better. So if you want, why don't I I'll have you maybe a couple of swings. I'll video them real quick and then we'll just take a quick look at them and I'll walk you through it and show you exactly what's going on.

Speaker 2:
Do you want to do a few front on and then down the line there's video

Speaker 1:
One face on and one down the line and that'd be perfect. That'd be all we need. Yeah. Okay. I'm to go ahead. Yeah. As exactly what's going on. All right. Do one down the line for me. Perfect. Yeah, just like that. Yeah. A hundred percent. All right. So let me walk you through this. Give me one second. I'll share my screen with, you know, okay. Let's see this. Okay. Yes. All right. So first little things that I'm going to notice. One, the stance is a little bit wide when the stance is why I tend to believe that somebody is going to be pretty upper body dominant because they need that wide stance to keep them balanced. So as you start to go back, I see this, left-hand start to tighten up the left arm and shoulder start to kind of move, right? You see that little tiny little tense intention move that you can watch your left wrist actually tweak and tighten and rotate on the club there.

Speaker 1:
So now we know right away where that tension is already before you've even moved the club. This one little frame of the shoulder hiking up in the left wrist. Rotating is letting me know that instantly you're putting a lot of tension into that left arm. And so now when we go back, the left knee never really moves. So your lower body I'll step over here for just a second. So what you're doing is, is exactly what I was saying. Like the lower body can't rotate, can't look can't load. You're not one. The stance with makes it a little bit difficult, but then you're also just kind of forcing it to stay locked in place and just moving the club more with the left arm and shoulder. So what we're going to do is get you to free up and allow those hips to turn. And it's going to be a complete game changer. So, but I just wanted you to see this because your left knee, and I'm going to show you with my swing and just a second, actually. You can see my screen in the background there.

Speaker 1:
So at the top of my swing, I notice the difference in my left knee and your left knee. Can you see that? Okay, I can make this bigger just a second, but see, I kind of bowed out and it's out over your foot. And my left knee is moved in well inside of my foot. And I'm going to show you how to do this properly in just a second. But this is something where, when, when you do this, your lower body has got no chance of really loaded correctly, the backswing. So then we've got a little head dive coming here because you're trying to shift your way back over to the left side, but you can only do it with kind of an upper body lunge at it. And so, you know, your lower body working the way we want it to. And so it's all upper body sweet and stuff. And this is what you know, because you're very obviously super fit athletic. We're going to change your swing completely. Just like getting your lower body to wake up here. Okay. As you went back, let's see.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. Just kind of locked in place the arms get deep. The arms are going to get deep because you're moving them a lot. Right. And then you get a little steep here because the little upper body dies. Yeah. All right. So now the fun part, let's make you an athlete again, let you be athletic with your swing. So throw the club down for a second. Go ahead and step back there on your mat. And I want you to forget golf. I want you to narrow your stance just a little bit. Just not crazy. Yeah. You can go a little bit wider than that. Perfect. Right there. So now as you're going, I'm going to have you do this. I've been doing this with a lot of these online lessons lately, just because it's a really easy way for me to get you to feel something without me being able to touch it and have my hands on it.

Speaker 1:
So now I want you to just go and move all your weight to your right foot and rotate like a baseball pitcher. Just let your left leg come all the way back. See, did you shifted laterally there? Yeah. Let her come around. Like, you're going to look at the second basement. Turn, turn on that hip turn even more. Let your hip turn. There you go. That feels crazy to you in terms of how much you're letting your hip turn, but do you feel how much more you're loaded up and coiling on that? Right. Hip socket compared to where you're just kind of like forcing yourself and you feel all this tension from here up now, you're going to feel this tension really just from here down and this exaggeration then gives you the momentum and the feeling to shift back to the left net. There you go.

Speaker 1:
So now I'm not having to tell you to shift your weight or turn your hips or any of that stuff. It just becomes more natural. And obviously this is a big exaggeration, right? But this is what you need to feel. At first, when you're practicing at home, you just kind of make these big moves to feel okay. As I turn and I have a hundred percent of my weight on my right leg. And then I have this coil that move, it moves and moving back over becomes very fluid and very athletic right now. We're just going to make those moves a little bit smaller. So as you come into your golf stance, you're not going to pick your foot up, but you're still gonna feel that same coiling and rotation move on the right hip. There you go. Now, look at your left knee. Remember why I showed you?

Speaker 1:
My left knee was at the top of there and my back swing open. Maybe you can sit here. So in your swing just a minute ago, your left knee was like six inches further this way out over your foot. It's got to get pulled in. If I'm turning my hips, if I'm letting myself turn, there you go. Turn and pivot on that right. Hip socket. Then the knee comes in. It's not that I'm buckling it in or, or pushing off of it. It's just naturally turning in. There you go. Now, once you've got that, use that to help you get back around to the left. So you coil up back and you uncoil coming now better again, load on that right leg. Good.

Speaker 1:
One more time for me. Good. Now, even there as you're doing this, you're kind of wanting to get a little bow legged. So you're letting the right knee kind of buckle out a little too much. And again, when you get lost on this, just think about how you would do it on the baseball player. You would just get all of this stuff pretty much. Yeah. You wouldn't bow your foot out or your knee out. Right? You just get it all on the line. And the same thing is your left knee. You want it to kind of hold this out. So it's not that your leg bows out this way, going back is that you're pivoting on this hip socket. And this is pretty much, it's going to turn a little bit, but it's staying more in place.

Speaker 1:
There you go. But let your hip turn, get all that weight over there. Let your left knee come in and just relax it. There you go. There you go. So now think of the swing in terms of wine, unwind, winding and unwinding, you're coiling something and uncoiling, and that's, that's somewhat of an over-simplistic view of it, but it's a good way of thinking about it because what you did there, you know that the downswing transition starts with this whole left side, right? The left being, getting over the ankle, the weight coming back over here and what you did earlier five minutes ago, you were trying to kind of fabricate that you would kind of turn back and then you would try to sit and make this kind of like these disjointed moves and what you did there as you let this need naturally come in. It naturally wants to go back to where it started because you're using these muscles in such a way that they're stretching and then they naturally want to go. The other way. That's what I want you to feel is that this natural rotation and unwinding is way more fluid dynamic. When you allow it to move freely, let your left knee come in. Relaxed.

Speaker 1:
There you go. And now this let it online. There you go. So then you don't have to think about like sitting into it and squatting into it so much because you already know how to do these moves. It's just making it natural and athletic now. So you're doing this. You can feel how your hips are moving your upper body through from the backswing and downswing. They're initiating that move. There you go. Good way better. All right. Do that one more time. Then a video wants, so you can take a look. Go ahead. Way better. Alright, so now let's take a quick look at that.

Speaker 1:
All right. So making a little bit of an exaggerated lateral move to the right side of your hips, kind of sliding a little bit too much to the right. Okay. So that's just a little exaggeration. So instead of thinking so much lateral there, it's more just, you're going to feel more rotational, but now notice how your left knee has come in a little bit more. Had you not slid to the right so much. This would be spot on. Perfect. We see how your knee is now inside of your foot. Kind of back toward where the ball would be earlier. It was way out here over your foot and you would kind of bow legged. As soon as we don't have this lateral slide to the right and you just feel a little bit more rotational. It's going to be perfect. Now you have a nice big turn and now watch the left knee, see how it moves.

Speaker 1:
Pretty freely athletically over to the left and you post up and we're golden. So now by just freeing everything up a little bit, your legs are able to initiate the downswing and your shoulders are chilling out there. Just kind of following along for the ride. And if you compare that to what we are doing a moment ago, now, you may hear you're making 20 degrees less turn, right? So now we've, we've cut off a lot of power. You making your lower body. You can see that you're kind of bow legged here, left knees way out over the foot, and we can make very big turn. Now you can make a huge turn effortlessly, and now that's going to allow you to unwind, correcting the downswing. So now you can see the big difference from that.

Speaker 1:
Nice freed up turn. I look at the difference in your shoulder term, right? And then coming down, it just looks nice and fluid and athletic. So I wonder if we remove that little lateral bump or the little lateral slide. So I know you're just trying to kind of exaggerate stuff to feel it, but we don't want to make this big move to the right. It's more, you're just going to feel like your, your, your stance a little bit narrow or, and you're just rotating on that hip socket. You do more weight loading into that right side. There you go. Better. There you go. Good. Do it again.

Speaker 1:
Get in there. Make sure that you load. So there's a balance point between staying too centered and moving off that right hip line and moving too far laterally and sliding past that right hip line. So we'll go back and practice later, just put a chair or a countertop or something up against that right here and just feel loading into it. And then you'll instantly know you'll have that feedback is a little tough to do when you're just of watching yourself live here. Yeah. That'd be the piece to get it all dialed in. So just try and feel that you're loading into that right side, but you're not sliding laterally.

Speaker 1:
There you go. Good. There you go. Good. Yeah. Let the left knee come in his load and let it turn, relax this side. Let it get moved in. There you go. Good. And now use those hips to unwind you coming down. Good. Good. One thing. So two things I'd like for you to work on, and these are both back screen related, but also this second one will help you in the downswing. So the first thing that right hip line, having a chair or some, anything that you can put up against your right hip will help you feel powerfully loading up and coiling into that right side. But at the same point, I want you to do the wall drill. So you can put your head up against the wall. This this'll be more for helping you in the downswing, but it'll help you in the backswing.

Speaker 1:
See your head's moving wants to move a little bit off, but as you're going down, you have a tendency to kind of want to do this, to kind of move over on the left. Once you get the feeling of this thing, sending your head steam back, instead of doing this, when you've got the whole, the whole core of everything linked. Okay, good on the back. So there you go. Good. Is that even there now? You, you did perfect. Your head stayed perfectly centered. You came down really nice from here. Just stay back and let the club release. Don't try to let your head and everything moved toward the target. It's your hips moving everything. And you're just letting the club release. Okay, good. There you go. Good. Much better. You feeling it more in your lower body now. So that's going to be your focus for the entire golf swing is, is focusing on loading properly in the backswing, feeling that right hip that right.

Speaker 1:
Glute, make sure that you don't feel it a ton in the quad. Do you have a tendency when you're first watching to kind of squat down, make sure that as you go back, you feel like, like you would as a pitcher, that the quad is not doing a ton of work. It's more into that glute that you're feeling. Yeah. So then as you're doing that, it's just coming, letting everything shift back down and release the lower body initiating it was, you didn't really want it. You don't have to tell you like, okay, shift back to the left. You're doing it naturally because you're loading up properly in the backswing. So if you put a wall drill in the right hip line real together, that's really what you need to focus on. And the only thing you have to do from there is just start turning in the backswing without moving your arms so much without trying to move the club.

Speaker 1:
Whereas what you're used to right now is because you couldn't use this, you had to kind of pick your club up and your arms up lower. Body's kind of stuck. Now. You're going to get the feeling of this much more why relaxed arm swing. Good. Yeah. Just letting them get moved and relaxing. And they're going to feel slow coming down. Whereas before you had to fire with some speed to get anything out of it, and that of course causes you to lose lag. It caused you to not get good contact. Now it's going to feel like, kind of like a more big, wide relaxed swing compared to what you're used to. Does that make sense? Let's cut for just a second. I want to watch you make a couple of practice ones by doing this with the club so that I can kind of see, I'll give you a couple little tweaks to help you focus on what you're going to need to feel when you're actually making swings later on with hitting balls and with the club.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. I want you to use the club. I don't care where the arms and hands go so much right now. My goal for you is to feel loading up in your hips and unwinding the downswing and feeling like you don't do anything right now with your arms and hands and club. So same focus. You're still thinking about the same stuff. Okay. So now immediately your left knee went back forward. Yeah. It's normal. It's what I want you to see this and I'll record a couple so you can see it, but I want your brain to be a hundred percent focused on just your lower body right now. Gloves just goes where it goes.

Speaker 1:
Okay. Okay. Get that weight over to the right side. You're kind of hanging on the left. Let your hips turn, but that's better. Keep turning. There you go. So you're moving your arms a lot in your hips. Not enough. Let me show you what that looks like real quick. And then we're gonna, I'm going to give you a plan to work through this. So notice this was your first swing, how your left may is still out over the foot and your weight's kind of hanging on the left side. This happens because you became focused on your arms and club normal, right? Yeah. So you lost that nice hip turn and that weight shift to the right. And you can see you're kind of hanging on the left side.

Speaker 1:
Same thing here. Let me barely move in. Oh, you tried to get it there. You see how the, let me move in more there. And then you got look at the difference in your shoulder turn, you picked up another 20 degrees of shoulder rotation because you allowed left knee to come in. This is where we get our speed and our powers from our, we have to let those hips turn at least, you know, 40, 45 degrees going back there. Now we've got to make a nice big turn, but you see your arms are still that right. Elbow is kind of flying back behind you because you're used to having to move your arms a lot, to get anything out of your swing, that when you get the feeling of this, it's going to be like, my arms aren't moving at all is exactly what you're going to feel.

Speaker 1:
So let me show you how to work on it, the best way to do this. We know that if you just have your, you don't have a club and you're just kind of focused on your lower body, you can do it just right, right. We've seen it on video. There's no question about, so at first, when you're practicing, you're going to do rep without your arms. Because as soon as you kind of get your arms into it, it's really easy to lose focus on your core and your, your hips. So first, you know, you're practicing every day and you're just kinda getting the feeling of loading this right leg. You can, if you need to exaggerate it, to get this feeling of coiling again, let that foot come up. Totally. Okay. And then you're just kinda starting to minimize it. Getting used to getting everything, turning without arms.

Speaker 1:
Then we can add that left arm and just kind of let it swing kind of floppy right now. You're not trying to move it. And you're just trying to move this so that this, if I move this, my arms got to go with, right? So they're going together. And then I'm going to start getting the feeling of how my arm gets swung by my body. Rather than you trying to kind of pick your arms up, then slowly add the right arm, same thing. Or you can do it. The normal sequence that we do everything else on the side, which is you're going to do your body rotation with no arms left our mowing club. And then at the end, the right arm. So what I would do next turn, focusing on my lower body and then slowly add that right arm in there. Go through the exact same sequence when you're practicing this so that you get out of the habit of your arms being tight. Remember I showed you right away when you grabbed the club and you right before you started it back, you cinched up on it. We want to get all of that tension out of your arms and hands and shoulders and put it all down here. But even tension is not the right word. You're just kind of getting a dynamic load on those on those legs. That makes sense.

Speaker 1:
As you start doing this, your swing is going to start feeling way more relaxed from here up your arms are just going to feel really chilled out and relaxed. And it's all going to be your brain's going to be down here. So if you go through that sequence, you do the wall drill, right hip line, just making sure that those movements are really good. Then as you start stacking pieces on you'll know when stuff falls apart. So you saw right away, we know that if you do it with, you know, even just your arms, just kind of being floating around your body, your hips turn really well. As soon as we pick the club up, you kind of back to this, right? It's just important to work through it in that sequence. And don't rush ahead. You can move to the point where you're going to get comfortable, you know, in a day of just starting to be able to move with the club, you just got to relax your arms more. If it takes a few more days of just doing body drill only, that's fine as long, just keep making sure that the body drill is right. That's the most important thing. If everything down here is moving right, then everything up here begins to be way easier to get dialed in because it's just doing way, way less. Any questions so far, anything

Speaker 2:
Else? I, I know, I think initially what I was trying to do, it was trying to eat chocolate, you know, where it was like push term, you know? And I think that's what I was getting and I don't know why I was leaving this. I think I was not letting it get your point, got the ear posts. And you know, so part of that is just, it's not, I think [inaudible] getting those hips or just the loading, the right move and rotation, you know, relaxing a little bit more here and then just let me, you know, get through. I just, like I said, I've been, I guess, a little lazy of this loading, the groups. I was always doing the dragster. So, you know, I just have to get back to, like you said, and yeah, even my house, when you showed me, it seemed like it was effortless. You know, it just seemed like it was more natural. I don't cook

Speaker 1:
A hundred percent. That is exactly the result that you're gonna find. And this what you just did or what we just kind of went through is the dead drill. It's just taking the positives out. Right. It's different when you're learning this stuff at first. I mean, if you've seen, like on our Facebook group, we see people posting videos, like people getting to get the backswing. Right. We see this stuff, we see all kinds of crazy stuff. So at first we were just like, all right, let's just do this and get this right. And then let's just do the transition to get this right. Cause then we see all kinds of crazy stuff, the transition. So we start out at, at the lowest common denominator, taking out all the extraneous, moving parts, but you're moving really well. Like, you know that you need to shift, you're not hanging back any of that stuff.

Speaker 1:
So what you need to do is learn how to make it all fluid in athletics so that when you start loading quickly and loading dynamically, you feel that that transition becomes pretty natural. But for a lot of golfers, trust me, it's anything but natural. So, but I could see, I knew right away once I saw what you were doing, I knew that I could get you to move pretty quickly just by moving fluidly, just by loading up correctly. So you don't need that. Pause. The pause for you is for like the transition or stopping the backswing. You you've got those moves. So we don't need to worry about that. I want you to do it with some pace and do it all together. As one motion. When you start adding the club, you may find that like, for instance, the transition might get a little bit off because you might go up here and then try and pull your arm down because it's kind of what you're used to doing or firing with the right arm, then unite on it going like, okay, I just got to feel like I'm just doing this transition and letting my arm kind of fall and stay more relaxed.

Speaker 1:
And that might be a pause. I do that sometimes, you know, I've every golfer. If they make a mistake, pretty much every golfer on the planet, that's, you know, not blank at a high level. They start taking the club over with their arms and hands and shoulders. And so that's where that pause really comes in. Like, oh gosh, I didn't realize that. I just kind of, my lower body got lazy and I just kind of started firing up my arms. And that's where you may go back and use a pause in the future to check a certain position or something like that. But for you, it's just loading or unloading and it would be very, very natural for you as we already saw. Makes sense.

Speaker 2:
No, I think that's a, that's all the questions I had as far as. So again, it's, it all makes sense. It's just doing it. You know, sometimes I practice swing, I'm a looser. And then like I said, I get deep or not, of course, with a scorecard, all of a sudden it's like, you get back to what I just got to get it instead of just letting everything be fluid.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. And the whole fluidity thing is going to come from here. Now you can't be fluid with just your arms and hands. Cause they're just going to fire like crazy. They can move the club into all kinds of horrible positions that are irrecoverable from. And then all of a sudden you're just chasing your tail, chasing tips and things, trying to fix something when really the answer is fixing the engine, the car is fine. Well, he's got to fix the engine of it. And once that's working at which we already saw, but it is, you just need a little bit of time to be able to, to stack those pieces back in, without start taking the club over, taking the swing over back with your arms and hands, and then you've got that's the whole thing. All right. Any questions? Any other questions I can answer for you before we wrap up?

Speaker 2:
No, no, I just right now I got new clubs. I finished with my strong sirens of six and then I used to play with a four and five hybrid and I just, there's a gap. And I know it's, I'm just kind of going out with no horse in front of the carpet. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the in-between glove when you go with more of a firefighter and we'd go with maybe a four.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. So what you were doing before, when you were firing your arms from the top and getting kind of a short swing, it's going to force you to tend to be a little bit steep. And so you'd find that those hybrids would help you get the ball up in the air a little bit more and be a little bit more forgiving. Once you start making more of a fluid sweeping swing, instead of a armsy hit, you'll find that you'll feel comfortable putting an iron back in the bag. You, you obviously being fit and flexible and athletic, excuse me, you can generate a ton of speed. You can generate enough speed to carry a three iron and get it up in the air once you start moving from here. So I think that you'll find that you start moving more naturally and athletically and quickly that those hybrids, unless they're fit really well for you are going to be most hybrids that are sold to amateurs that you buy off. The shelf are super spinning. They put a crap ton of spin on the ball to try and get it to stay in the air. And the more backspin it has, the more forgiving it tends to be as well. So, cause it's going to reduce some diversion off to the side, cause it's just going to keep climbing up in the air. But long story short, I think that you'll feel comfortable putting some irons back in the back here. Okay. Okay. 

Speaker 2:
Yeah, that was, yeah. I know, I know your, I know your feelings on training aids. I did, I had in my possession for a year or two, the seed sticks when the fundamentals are there, what's your thoughts on speed sticks for training.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. I'm going to, as long as the problem is with those things like that, that doesn't teach you anything, right? I mean, you've got to move. You can just fire your arms and not move your body at all. And it's still going to get the same result. So there's nothing wrong with it. If you're moving correctly, I would tell you not necessarily gonna give you any benefit either. If you want to use it, knock yourself out. As long as you're moving correctly, I couldn't care less. Really. I just don't want people to get, they get caught up in trying to hear a snap and they, everybody will start trying to use their arms and hands to try and get it to release at the same spot in the right spot. Yeah, exactly. And it just teaches you to focus. I, my release is completely passive.

Speaker 1:
I mean, I am literally, I mean, actually in this video you can see, which is the shot from the other day. If you don't know how well you can see the closeup of my hands, but if you watch my right hand, even at the top of my swing, my right finger, my forefinger is almost not even on the club. It's literally just barely touching. And then as I come down, I'm hitting this with my leg, actually my left leg. If you watch my left leg, it's posting up this whole time. My right hand is barely on the club right there. So I'm never trying to do anything with my hands. I'm literally trying to do as little as humanly possible with my hands. Okay. Eat, stick training aids, inevitably leads to you trying to snap it with your hands. And that's why I don't care for it. But if you get out of that, you know, you're just trying to move your body to do it. And you're feeling a post-doc, but I wouldn't say you don't need

Speaker 2:
Well, I noticed, you know, when you showed some of your videos through the years, like your seminar does 200 yards and it's like, and I know you're not a big training day person. So it just tells me or reinforces that it's fundamentals that are creating the club at speed. Like you said, with the proper loan and the release. When you get to the new postdoc and release for your, if you maintain your angles, your lag, then to release it out, then that's pretty much a seat you need to have.

Speaker 1:
Exactly. I mean, I don't do anything for speed. I don't try and dream my body to swing fast. The last time I ever tried to swing really fast and like do something to hit it further was like 2007. That was the last time I actually did any program. And it wasn't really a program. It was literally hitting drivers for like four hours a day for three months. That's literally all I did on a launch monitor. And I was just testing a bunch of equipment and shafts and seeing what I could get to hit the ball. As far as like, I mean, I was getting the ball at 340 yards. It was dumb, but, but I never have done anything. Like there's these, I think there's these things called speed chains and things like that. There's benefit obviously of teaching fast Twitch muscle fibers to move quickly.

Speaker 1:
You move fast already. You can move fast already. It's not like you're a slot. Just kind of going really slow. Your fast Twitch muscle fibers are going to fire. It's just, you're firing the wrong ones. And so once you learn how to move fluidly, my whole goal again with the swing is to move as slowly as humanly possible, what I feel and get the maximum amount of speed, the max amount of bang for the buck. And so for me, I don't try to do anything. I don't even try to get my students to. So if I have somebody who's, you know, their whole life, they've never done anything athletic and they've been super sedentary and they're just kind of, they're naturally very slow moving, getting them to learn, to get those neuropathways to fire and engage those fast Twitch muscle fibers. That's something, but that's a pretty rare circumstance. I don't see that super often. Somebody like you, who's been in athletic, you don't need that stuff. You just need to learn how to move correctly. And that's it. It makes guys on the tour and most of these guys on the tour, not exactly athletes, there's a lot of athletes out there now compared to what it was back in the day. But, but I'll thinking of these guys. One-On-One a basketball.

Speaker 2:
No I I'm with you on that. I agree. Now you're shooting and stuff to do it right now.

Speaker 1:
Just outside of Telluride. Yeah. We're Bridgeway, but yeah, about 45 minutes. Oh, your

Speaker 2:
Videos. I mean just the scenery I'm like, wow. Is that pretty? Cause I know you were doing a quarter lane for a while too. Where in that area? Yeah,

Speaker 1:
I was in Coeur d'Alene for gosh, five years or so in the summers. Loved it up there, but Colorado has always been home to me. So we finally decided to come back and live here. Full-Time and so that's our, those are our mountain views out there is in that.

Speaker 2:
Or do you get back to Orlando very much or do you just,

Speaker 1:
No, I hope to never go back to Florida.

Speaker 2:
She's an Orlando girl and I'm in Fort Lauderdale. So we enjoy the change seasons. I mean where you are. I, I think you tell us too, but I know tell you about our ski up here in summit county area and all that. And I do, I don't have quite what you've been through with your neck. I've done this surgery, but I broken my back. So I know a little bit as far as you know, when I do work a lot on drills. So that's, my neck gets a little tight and I can loosen it back up and stuff. But you all the videos you've been shooting, I mean, as she is learning from you, but looking at the scenery, it's like

Speaker 1:
I learned one of the most beautiful areas I've ever been at least in the United States for sure. And the town closest to me called your rate. It's O U R a Y. It's called the Switzerland of America. When you go there. It's just, it's crazy. It's just about 10 miles from here. So these are the mountains that are the backdrop for that town.

Speaker 2:
Now, do you have some, do you have a good amount of land that you sit on right now because Zoe a race track.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. Yeah. I've got about 30 acres out here. So the racetrack takes up about nine of that piles, like 19 turns. It's awesome.

Speaker 2:
Well, that video, it was great.

Speaker 1:
Thanks. Thanks about what we're talking about today. Right? Dynamically loading and letting it unloads.

Speaker 2:
I love it. I love when you said you're asking yourself what kind of a goal has a racetrack and I think you said an awesome one or something like that. It said, so appreciate your sense of humor too. Chuck, just a great teacher. I've learned a lot. And like you said, I'll get this nailed down. And are you going to in the future, you're going to do it in clinics out of line. Are you going to still keep buying Orlando?

Speaker 1:
We're probably going to be moving more stuff out west. We probably won't be doing any clinics anytime soon out on the east side, but that's still kind of up in the air right now. Obviously this coronavirus has had huge impact on in-person stuff. And so we're we're still kind of in flux, but we're spending more time relying on trying to figure out how to deliver stuff as, as effectively as humanly possible online. And that's the bootcamps have been great for that.

Speaker 2:
I, it was great. I like for a Delta airlines and I missed one of them. What will the schools I could come back that I did as many as I could participate in reels in between. And it's it's I just, like I said, I've got so many years of bad habits and even do the reps. I still want, like you said, man, what do I do? I go back to bootleg it. And I know, I know your, your philosophy on starting like this. And I don't have an issue at all the practice. I practice more in my garage here in front of her than I do. I don't really go to the range and get all malls. I just try to work on fundamentals. Like you said, start here at this at both men. So I'll just go back to square one with getting these hips to work a little better.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. You're going to make quick progress with this. And once you get the feeling of just now, you know exactly what to look for and you can go back and rewatch this this recording, you should receive an email of it. If not, let us know. And I'll send you a copy. Do you mind if I share this with the members online? Because there's a lot of people sharing the same stuff. If not, no problem.

Speaker 2:
I've seen maybe two or three. I'm not sure what I've seen so far online that you posted. Great. Thank them for doing that too, because

Speaker 1:
I've got that problem. Well, the good thing is common problems have easy solutions or common solutions. So if you just focus on the simple stuff, it's not going to taking longer to get you where you want to be. I promise. Sounds good. Alright, thanks so much.

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