Worst Golf Advice from Instructors
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I've picked 10 of the worst golf advice topics you've probably seen on youtube or other social media platforms. Learn if what you’ve heard may be good or bad advice. I will cover the simplest of drills to more advanced advice. We will study the most common drills to avoid that not only hurt your score, but your body as well. Start to understand what you should be doing and why these quick fixes simply don’t work.
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Master instructor Tyler, How we doing tonight?
All right?
Hello Mitchell and Bill, Gary Bernie.
How's everybody doing tonight?
Everybody excited, talking about some of the bad advice out there in the golf instruction world.
And I think it's pretty much everything that I was taught before I got the rotary.
So I tell my students a lot.
I went through all the painstaking processes of doing it wrong, so that This to have this going the head to get this percent of your power in the golf swing just shifting weight alone if you keep your head still you can't shift weight all you're going to do is try to pivot off this axis create a reverse pivot and then as you start to come down you're probably going to try to create a bunch of secondary tilt end up blowing out your back and a couple other little problems so when we tell you to keep your head still it's just a notion to not push and have over movement of the head it's okay if it has a little bit of motion if you look at my swing you look at chuck swing you look at chris's swing you're going to see that our head moves a little bit chuck's head moves a lot he's fused between c one two and three and you're going to see his head actually rotate a little bit more so keep the head still but it doesn't stay like this you're not in this box this window where it never moves because you're going to create more faults than good so if we have a proper stance to it and we're allowing our head to have a little bit of freedom with shifting weight not keeping it locked down in a box what happens next well the next thing that i see is the old low and slow in the takeaway and i saw a big note pop up i just want to make sure it's not my camera all right i'll come back to you on that one tom don't worry so as the old low and slow on the takeaway i mean i'm sure you've heard that all right and you get set up right here and you start to make your takeaway try to keep it low and slow against the ground the whole time because what that's going to do is it's going to force rotation it's going to force you to get wide high well for anybody who took the takeaway webinar we know how we get width i can take my golf club right here and start keeping it low and slow against the ground what's happening am i just rotating or am i just pushing my arms am i just disconnecting from my core if you want to get armsy in the golf swing not have a whole lot of power start the swing with your arms low and slow can somewhat be a good thought if you're just somebody just picked up the hands but if your objective is to take this back and keep it low and slow down here all you're going to do is get arms you're going to start to reach for this you're creating false width you don't create more width than the swing you're born with all the width you're ever going to have can't do anything about that you're trying to maintain that width from setup by rotating you don't extend your arms out because as soon as i start trying to keep it low and slow look at what's happening i'm not rotating which is the primary thing that you need to do is you need to rotate i can't stress that enough so when you go low and slow all you start doing is activating your arms and when you start to get the momentum of your arm swinging it's impossible to stop or you have to somehow figure out how to time it and get your arms back reconnected before you start working down into the strike and hit the golf ball so low and slow is an old adage but all it does is it forces you to work your arms i don't care about the club and my arms and my takeaway i literally get to this position and i rotate and it takes care of itself so don't try to put the club anywhere when you start trying to put the club somewhere or let the tail wag the dog well the low and slow is going to create my motion for me that's the tail wagging the dog you move the club not the other way around okay so when we go from this kind of low and slow one of the big adages has been okay well let's take the low and slow and when we get to the end of our takeaway we want this club face matching our spine angle well what's the problem with the club face matching our spine angle what's this thing designed to do i don't ask a bunch of brain busting questions up here this club's designed to rotate all right so if you start to take the club back and you get this matching your spine angle you're fighting the design of the club and the club's designed to rotate and we want it to rotate if we wanted to have good club head speed okay so when you start to match your spine angle in the takeaway right here i kind of have one or two options well i can either start because this club's going to want to rotate at some point i can either start here and start to get out of posture and start to round out my shoulder plane to try to feel this club get in a good position or i'm going to get into this position and i'm going to start hinging back on my trail wrist and what happens when i start hinging back on my trail wrist what's that doing to my club face as i go towards the top it's shutting down my club face even more what it's also doing is it's also adding a ton of tension in my right wrist well when my club face is shut and i'm hinging back with my right wrist and getting towards the top unless i'm dustin johnson when i get all this tension all i'm going to want to do is fire it it's going to be very hard to generate good lag it's going to be very hard to generate consistency because now you are telling sir isaac newton that you are smarter than he is and you're going to control this face rotation the whole time so when we start to make our takeaway combining it with this error number one it's not low and slow we're focusing on rotating and we want the club toe up now depending on your grip you can have a little variance it can be a little bit towed down just a little bit like this if you got a really strong grip it can be a little bit towed down but you don't want this matching your spine angle because you're fighting the physics of the golf club and it's going to create more numerous errors throughout the swing i see the right wrist hinge or the trail wrist hinge all the time shuts it down gets it towards the top and they can't figure out why they're throwing so much well what we should be in is this shaking hands position because from this position we can continue to rotate and work up without any problems we don't have any interference from our crazy brother this trail arm okay so as we go from this setup and we make our takeaway and we allow this to start working up the next most common thing well let's get it low and slow and then push your left shoulder under your chin we do not push the left shoulder under the chin the left shoulder is moved under the chin because of how we are rotating with our core and pulling back of our right scapula through all the research that chuck's done and through everything that we've done here at rotary swing the number one golf injury is lead shoulder impingement that's just within this lead arm starts to crush the subacromial space right here and we see it all the time because everybody says well get your left shoulder under your chin well i can get my left shoulder under my chin but did i have to rotate or did i just push my arms back and this feels this doesn't feel good i can promise you the left shoulder is moved under the chin you don't move it under the chin well craig i you got it you said that i have to maintain shoulder plane in the swing yeah you do have to maintain shoulder plane in the swing if i'm setting up right here and i'm rotating i'm rotating around my spine well if i maintain my shoulder plane right here rotating around my spine where's my left shoulder right now perfectly under my chin the left shoulder gets moved to that position you don't move the left shoulder to that position okay so if we have a good setup and we under we know how to rotate in the takeaway nothing crazy with the face and we're not going to push with our left shoulder because not only is this going to have a safety issue it goes back to the head moving too much off the golf ball we all and i didn't think i needed to say this but i'm going to say it anyway we all know that push causes you to move that head off the golf ball so if we arrive at this position one of my old favorites anybody know what i'm going to do with this thing the old towel drill now i'm sure people out there you can go find nine million videos on this one take the towel and put it under your armpits and swing from there now i apologize if we have any mic pops it's because this tower right here i'll get rid of it pretty fast all right craig well you you're not swinging with your core you you need to get the towel what happens if i put the towel underneath my armpits and let's say i do everything properly up to the takeaway let's say i follow craig's advice my stance is good i know how to make a good takeaway what happens as he continues to go towards the top what is this doing to it's killing two things one it's killing elevation you want free speed have a little bit more elevation you can have a little bit more leverage now i'm not saying stick your hands to the sky we have a metric trail arm base of pectorals but allowing for elevation is going to allow you to have a little bit more free speed but what also does the towel drill do if it kills elevation and keeps your hands really low which it's fine to have low hands this next point's non -negotiable what else does it do to my arms and hands where does it make them go it makes them go flat and deep when the arms and hands get flat and deep i'm going to have to recover from that position if i take the towel drill and just imagine i'm going to try to do it this one actually kind of hurts a little bit so if i got the towel right here and i go like this and now my arms and hands are way back to do in the downswing well if i make my normal move which is shift weight where are my arms right now where's my right elbow it's trapped behind me this to me is screaming power block or flip hook so if i use the towel it's going to tend to get my arms and hands too flat and too deep and if i make a proper weight shift i can't recover from it well if i don't make a proper weight shift what's the only thing i can do from here which is the next advice that i saw literally after this video when you get to the top all you want to do is cover the ball with your chest that's the way to recover from that motion now why when i get to the top of my backswing do i want to take my shoulders and chest and try to cover the ball why would i want to do that well that's what i hear on tv that's what everybody does the chest covers the ball at impact do you arrive at that position as a byproduct or is it something that you force if you go up here to the top of the backswing and your arms and hands are deep and your first move is to take your chest and shoulders because you keep hearing cover the golf ball what's that club going to do there's the old over the top there's the old casty because that club can only go one direction now as i start spinning my shoulders or taking my chest and rotating them from the top to get my arms in front to cover the ball i'm creating a lot of centripetal force when this centripetal force that i'm creating with my upper half is throwing this golf club out and away from me so if you want to get steep you want to cast it go to the top spin your chest have a blast if you want to go through one two well now i'm on my third shoulder correction you want to go through two of them do that from the top and hit a couple hundred thousand golf balls you'll have anchors all up and down like me because that's what i was taught i was taught well craig you get your arms and hands up here to the top take your chest and cover the golf ball let's look at that if i get up here to the top and i go like this does this look like a very safe comfortable position to be swinging at 100 miles an hour into the ground so my trail shoulder took all the brute force of the ground for years and years and years then eventually said i can't do this anymore so what we want to do is we want to allow the arms to work up it's okay to have a little elevation if you want your hands down here no problem either the key is is the depth is non -negotiable you can't take your left shoulder push it under your chin because when you push it under your chin and you connect your arms with the towel where do your arms and hands up you're literally telling your brain okay go to that position that forces me to spin my chest and come over the top and cast the club because my shoulder really doesn't like that you don't have a choice okay so when we get up there as you know the first move is going to be weight shift it's not going to be taking this chest and cover the ball you arrive to that position as a byproduct of sequencing when i get up here towards the top my first move is shifting the weight and as i start to pull this left hip behind me that pulling motion of that left hip behind me is what's keeping me in posture it's what's keeping my tush line it's what's keeping my chest down it's not a position you technically create it's a position you move through and it's created by sequencing properly so if we're not going to go up towards the top and spin our chest and we're going to shift our weight what do we do about lag do we hold it yeah credit that what we do is we get our wrist set and we get up here towards the top and then when you have this wrist just maxed out as much as you can i just want you to hold it for dear life into impact go try it that's one nobody can achieve maintaining lag because the amount of tension you create in your hands the amount of time it takes for you to go from there down towards the golf ball that club's going to start going away because your brain tells your hands you got a lot of tension i don't like it release it you can't hold lag lag lag is a byproduct just like my chest covering the golf ball lag is a byproduct of me shifting in this direction and starting to work in the other direction you hold the old adage that if you actually do the exact opposite of what you think you should do you're probably going to be closer to right if people followed that when it came to lag i wouldn't have to teach it all the time because having good lag and having that in the downswing isn't a byproduct of trying to hold my hands for dear life it's a byproduct of me sequencing my body correctly and actually doing less with my arms and hands the softer my arms and hands and i'm not saying dead but the softer my arms and hands the more that they're like jello the more that i trust in my sequencing you can ask chris in the form you can ask chuck how many people have come to us for a lesson and been like oh i need more lag and we're like all right yeah well let's let's work on this piece well i i came down here because i wanted to work on lag okay yeah great but how every single one of the players walked away with lag like that and we never even usually talked about it because they were so focused on that component they didn't understand what their real issue was getting rid of it but who cares if you move correctly you're going to have lag if you try to hold it you're never going to have it this leads into my next point which i i said if you did the polar opposite you'd be closer to right most players you're playing with your buddies and your buddy's hitting it fat you're like hey bob you're you know you're taking those big old beaver pelts today superintendent's going to be pissed just move that ball back right now so you can start catching the ball first it's kind of the same thing with lag if i move my ball back because i'm hitting it fat what am i doing essentially i'm making my problem worse because now my ball was here and now i'm moving it back to here well what does this club have to do coming down now well the club's got to get wider sooner if it's going to bottom out and when i start getting wider sooner and i try to generate a little bit of speed what's this club going to typically do i'm going to cast and i'm going to get even steeper because i've got to catch this ball first it's all the way back here now off of my trail foot versus off of my lead foot if you do the opposite you're going to be more likely to be right if you're hitting it fat and i'm not a big fan of band-aid fixes move the ball up here put it off your front foot well craig i'm hitting it fat why am i going to put it off my front foot what am i going to have to do to now get to that golf ball well now i'm going to have to maintain angle much deeper into impact but i'm also going to have to be shallow to get all the way out there towards that golf ball because if i get up here and i start casting and i start getting steep and that ball's way out there i'm going to miss the darn thing put the ball back to fix fat you're actually going to exacerbate the swing problem do the exact opposite of what you should think you think that moving it back is going to fix it move it forward if you think that you're shifting weight enough and that's creating enough you probably aren't shifting though all right especially if it feels good now to my final point on this as players start to come down and they start to work into impact one of chris's and my biggest pet thieves is getting that chest to the target that when you start to work into impact you should take that chest and drive it as hard as you can towards that target when you start driving your chest hard towards the target other than the fact that you end up in the booth like nick faldo um sorry so when you start driving your chest towards the target what are you effectively doing there's a couple things that are going on if i start working into impact and i start driving my chest aggressively towards the target i'm now tying that club head speed to my rotation because this club isn't going to work independently of my body so this is only going to move as fast as i rotate through you want to end up with a back like tigers rotate your chest as hard through the target as you want you don't want the club head speed tied to your chest rotation look at my club face if i start working down into the strike and i'm spinning my chest hard towards the target what's my club right now the club face is wide open so what's the fix spin even harder which now if i spin even harder that goes back to point number five well if i spin my chest from the top craig i'm going to cast and come over the top exactly do the opposite of trying to get your chest towards the target allow the club to release and the momentum of the club is what pulls you through you don't want this club head speed tied to your chest it needs to work independently that's the big thing and especially a rotary lead side releaser is the fact that this club moves independent of your body that's going to be how you get the speed remember that kid that irish kid i can't think of his name right now uh rory pound for pound mcclory used to be one of the longest guys on thorny still one of the longest out there but he also made a move at impact that nobody ever made as he started to shift and work down into impact his hips actually worked backwards which created a ridiculous snap the towel effect so if you want to have good club head speed and you want to have good consistency you allow the club to release you never try to get to a follow-through the follow-through is a byproduct and that's like a lot of these other positions in the swing it's byproducts of how you move it's byproducts of how you're sequencing if i go up towards the top and i load up here and my arms and hands are relatively relaxed and i focus solely on just shifting my weight and clearing my hips the club is going to shallow out it's going to have lag and you're going to get into an easy position to release it so the long and the short of it all these tips out there are tips they're being told because that's either what worked for them or that's what they think is happening that's what they see they're like oh yeah his chest is going towards the golf ball we like to deal in facts the reason i tell you to set up the stance to a certain way the reason i tell you to sequence the downswing a certain way the reason i tell you to do a takeaway a certain way is because it is fact so be careful what you see out there out in golf land because a lot of this stuff is just minutiae and it's half the reason why my body's shot if i didn't find rotary swing i wouldn't be able to swing a club today i can say that with a thousand percent honesty because my body couldn't do it anymore it probably wouldn't be able to do it now with all my other injuries so without further ado questions did i miss anything is there anything you want more explanation of is there advice that you've heard that you're like hey craig does this work well for rotary should i do this let me know hit a shot like baldo chris i don't want to end up in traction and i also don't want to hit my forearm 180 yards not that there's anything wrong with that for people out there we'll get you the distance don't worry about that but he's an oaf of a guy if anybody's ever met faldo he's about this much taller than me and about this much bigger there's no reason why i'm three clubs longer than any thoughts on the rope drill which one's the rope drill joel i didn't i didn't see that one i'm i'm thinking i'm thinking it's rope with like a little heavy ball at the end and you're sitting here trying or because i i'm i'm picturing two different versions of it right now the one where the guy gets here and lays it on his shoulder like this and then slings his body maybe chris knows what the almost got in a wrestling match with nick and newport so the let's see swinging the club like a rope trying to lead with the body joel when you think about the rope drill because i i think i know what you're speaking of now you remember and we still i think we still have them on the site you remember the orange whip you know where you have like the real flexible club and you have the ball that's great for helping you feel sequencing the problem is is you can take any drill too far what i typically see sometimes with either the orange whip or even the rope drill when people have that they get like this to where they get this kind of justin thomas position where their hips are 90 degrees to the target and their chest is wide open so it does kind of help them sequence you know the body wise but it leaves the arms and hands and club behind and the problem is is when i get up here towards the golf towards the top of the backswing the last thing i want to do is get stuck so as i start to shift what i want to happen is for my arms to start to work in front and now as i start to post up i'm going to have the gusto of speed the rope drill can kind of help players that don't have any kind of kinesthetic awareness or you know they've never kind of done any kind of hitting and throwing sport where they've had to kind of shift and go like this but you can really kind of you know bastardize it because it can be way overdone too much all right no other questions i can't do a jig so don't ask me to do that questions about anything what have you heard what should you not do and just for you know just to make everybody feel better at home this tv is this far away from the club like i can i can literally touch it right now so for anybody that's fearing that i'm going to hit the tv if i'm not worried about trying to steer this thing around and i'm just moving me and i have to worry about it i get the same spot every time i used to fun little story you want to get yourself really good at stuff you put some high risk reward on it so when i was having some swing plane issues i used to swing against the car you want to stop ripping this inside you swing against the car it's a good way to not do it all right so mike like the left shoulder going under the chin as a result is the right shoulder under the chin a result also rather than a position you try to get into so right shoulder on the follow through under the chin so when you're moving and you're shifting and you're starting to post what's in a in a lead side releaser let me clarify in a lead side releaser what's my right shoulder doing from here like how much do you see my right shoulder moving right now if anything after i shift and i start to post my right shoulder is going to be extremely quiet because right now i'm getting into that throw the ball or i want the club to start extending i want the club to start accelerating to have speed so this position right here is a byproduct of the club releasing and extending down the line i'm not trying to get my shoulder under my chin it's because i've posted up i've let the club release we have to be in that necessary evil side bend position for a second but as i'm here staying in the shot and this club's releasing i have a little bit more side bend but i'm getting pulled into this position by the club i'm not trying to make myself get there now like i said i have to kind of clarify it a little bit with me being a lead side releaser if you're a trail side hitter or a trail side pusher as you start to work down into the strike right here you're going to have to have a little bit of the hip the arm and the shoulder work down into the shop but when we're teaching a trail side release we don't want you to get like this the tape drill you're just a little bit more extension down the line but you're still never really trying to make your shoulder get underneath it's not something you want to force to happen question for craig and everyone else what do you think golf would be like if we got rid of high energy solid core golf balls and got rid of the ballada ball i want to go back to all tour balladas like the ones that if you barely that's what i want i want the ballada in a heartbeat all day every day mike molaska recommends keeping the club square to the arc of the swing and hinging the wrist and releasing the wrist like waving bye-bye and not to rotate the forums over each other not to rotate the forums over each other but our timing issues worthless bang for the buck well i'm reading the question correctly you put a lot in there david if you go and look at the vast majority of tour players what position are they in right here are they like this are they like this shaking hands on this side with the release if i want to have speed and i want to have consistency one thing is i need this face rotate okay center of the face rotates six to eight miles an hour faster than the heel in the properly released club so one i need this face rotated because that's going to help me release a ton of speed the second thing is if i'm trying not to do something with this club now i'm getting back into fighting sir isaac newton i can consistently stay here if imagine this was like a pure kind of uh pendulum or trebuchet i'm just going back and forth i could sit here and bottom out the same spot every single time i'm not controlling i'm just feeling the way to the club rotate rotate rotate rotate rotate i can consistently do that all day long i can't consistently try to hold my face to a position i can't do it i'm going to trust physics to give me my consistency i'm not that talented to be able to hold every degree of the face as i start to work through here and i can tell you that in a properly released shot the more you allow this release to happen as a byproduct not only do you hit it further but you hit it straighter remember my remember what i said earlier about doing the exact opposite if you want to hit a straight shot stop trying to hit it straight craig why do you hit the ball so straight because i don't try to hit it straight i actually have to work to make the ball move now if you're trying to do something in the golf swing more often than not you're going to err on the side that you don't want to just like thinking on the tee box don't hit it in the water don't hook it left why aren't you thinking let's hit the right side of the fairway you always think about the consequence you're thinking about the negative do the opposite since doing boot camp my shot is more consistent when it goes astray the ball goes left of center is this caused by high right shoulder opening up on the release julius can be caused by a few different factors but typically what you're going to see if it's kind of starting off left to center and you're releasing the club more than likely you're just allowing for a little shoulder rotation through gets it a little bit steeper you get it a little bit steeper with some face rotation just going to hit that little pull so as you start to work down just as you know chris you know really hammer home that point you're really feeling this chest staying square and this club kind of passing the body and releasing okay so typically you're just getting a little bit of shoulders involved in that release until you're starting left all right is that it nothing else well that's it thank you everybody for stopping by if you have any ideas for webinars that you want put here post in the community i think we have another one this week uh thursday or friday talking about the top of the backswing you know the the unknown who knows what the hell's going up there i can't see it um so thanks i know that's a lot of the topics things that people know about or they've seen on the site what have you but it's still the same errors that i see on a day in and day out basis so let's not do it all right no problem julius thanks mike thanks joel all right well everybody have a good rest of your evening enjoy your week and for those of you that'll be here on thursday or friday i'll see you then
Mark
Chuck