Problems Caused by Poor Ball Position

Having the ball in the wrong position will not only cost you accuracy, but as this video teaches you, distance as well.

  • Most golfers tend to make the mistake of moving the ball too far back in their stance
  • This causes you to stop shifting your weight, which is one of the number one problems for amateur golfers
  • Typically, most students need to move the ball UP in their stance to correct numerous swing faults.

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Eric
I think I have the opposite issue, I have been playing the ball too far forward. Divot behind the ball. One thing is I realize it has made it more difficult to get my right hand on the club at address without hiking up my right shoulder into a right side dominant position - leads to a bad elbow plane, flying elbow. Pulling ball to the logo makes it easy to put the right hand on in an in-box posture with some slight axis tilt. Make sense? With the specialty club driver when I want a more forward stance, how do I avoid hiking up the shoulder: closed stance or adding more axis tilt?
November 20, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Take a look at Proper Tee Height for driver adjustments. Yes, you will need to add more tilt for forward ball position. As to the earlier problem playing the ball too far forward may make you feel like you can't get into the proper setup and need to use more trail side to reach the ball.
November 20, 2019
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Chris
Hello, I am new here. This may have already been discussed, but could you please help me understand the ball position issue? You say that for all stock shots, (except for the driver) that the ball should be placed under your lead ear, or logo on the shirt. Is this accounted for before, or after the axis tilt?
December 4, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Chris. Ball position will be placed before axis tilt. The change is so slight there wouldn't be that much of a difference. Common Setup Faults and Fixes Video.
December 5, 2018
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Harold
I looking for this video I o help me with my ball position it’s to far forward I think
April 15, 2019
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Harold. Try Common Golf Setup Faults and Fixes. Type that exactly in the search bar.
April 15, 2019
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Dave
This video addressed chunking caused by moving the ball back in the stance. I have the problem of topping my fairway wood. Could somebody point me to any videos that address topping.
August 15, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. Typically, lack of weight shift and trying to swing up excessively. Take a look at Hit Your Fairway Woods Solid Video.
August 15, 2018
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Ron A. Sr.
If the ball is to far up in your stand what will you experience when you hit the ball?
July 21, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ron. When the ball is too far up players will tend to excessively move laterally to reach the ball leading to overly in to out swing path. Also, catching it too far beyond the bottom of the swing arc.
July 22, 2018
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Ron A. Sr.
What you think about the Power Package for the wrists?
July 22, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ron. I haven't used that item before. I wouldn't recommend something I haven't tried and/or researched intensively.
July 22, 2018
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Ron A. Sr.
Thanks, good response
July 22, 2018
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Ron A. Sr.
What direction the ball will probably go?
July 22, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ron. Different factors may play into this depending on what you do with your hands at the moment of truth. But, usually a big push right followed by a quick hook if your hands are quick enough.
July 22, 2018
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Ron A. Sr.
Thanks for the reply, troubleshooting why my ball keep going left of the target and my line up is good after I check. Straight left not hooking.
July 22, 2018
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Ron. Sounds like you are releasing the club, but the shoulders are spinning. Take a look at Keeping the Rear Shoulder Back and Arms vs Body Release. On a side note, the 9 Days to Amazing Ball Striking Section to understand how different curvatures of the ball takes place.
July 22, 2018
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john
Would the lie angle of the club be affected by placing the club further away from you?
November 26, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Placing the club too far out in front can affect the lie angle.
November 27, 2017
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john
How is it affected? I would think that the lie angle would be flatter... would this be a correct assumption?
November 28, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. If the club is placed too far in front depending on how you rest your hands. The toe usually sits a little to high off the ground.
November 28, 2017
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Eric
Thanks for this video. I guess I am in the minority, I have been playing with the ball too far forward. When I put it under my left ear/shirt logo, I started hitting it very solid. Through RS I have realized most of my issues related to a flying right elbow. I have tried perfect posture, making sure my shoulders don't round and axis tilt. Taking the initial grip with my left hand and moving the right hand on with axis tilt, I always felt my right hand pronate and protract my right shoulder, which leads to an elbow into a flying elbow. I always felt that the protraction happens in the last couple of inches of the grip union between the left and right hand. Anyway, not sure if this makes sense, but the proper ball position has corrected my flying elbow.
September 24, 2017
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Eric. Glad to see the setup has helped to make a difference. Technically, you could have be presetting a more protracted trail shoulder position to reach the further forward ball. Leading to some flying elbow.
September 25, 2017
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Mary
I am having problems hitting my 16 deg 3 wood, off the fairway don't know why, am using the correct ball position under the logo of my shirt, axis tilt etc .Have been told that if you are not a big hitter which I am not even though have been following RST for many months I should change this club to an 18 deg which is easier to hit appreciate some guidance!
October 24, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mary. What kind of shots are you hitting? Low, fat, top, etc.?
October 24, 2016
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Mary
Most of the time the ball scuttles along the fairway.
October 24, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mary. You might be trying to hit too much up on the shot adding excessive secondary tilt. Try to still hit down on the shot.
October 25, 2016
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John
It does not appear that your right hand at address is under your chin. Is that correct?
October 24, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Take a look at How Far to Stand from the Ball Video.
October 24, 2016
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Benjamin
I know Chuck covered the issues when you put the ball too far back, but I tend to struggle putting it too far forward. What are the common issues when having the ball too far forward and what's an easy checkpoint to help prevent that in setting up?
July 11, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Benjamin. Players with the ball too far forward will tend to have a ascending angle of attack or will start sliding(swaying) to try a reach the ball. It may also lead to topping the ball when combined with excessive secondary tilt. Use an alignment rod or club. Hang it directly down from the logo or off the lead ear. Make sure it is inline with the ball on the ground.
July 11, 2016
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T David
Hi Craig... Would the technique you mentioned to get the correct ball position be the same for all clubs? Chuck alluded to a video that talks about determining the correct ball position. Can you point that out, please?
October 6, 2016
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Dave. Yes, you can use that for all clubs. But, you might want to move it a little ahead for the driver to get a better launch angle. The only video I know of is the Proper Ball Position Video.
October 6, 2016
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T David
Thanks, Craig!
October 6, 2016
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PJ
I find that moving the ball further away from the body causes me to hook rt to left. I can always fix this by moving the ball closer and hit straight shots. Can you suggest a drill to prevent hooking?
November 11, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello PJ. When the ball gets further away you probably start swinging a little more from the inside and then the trail hand comes in to help rotate the face leading to the hook. First, check the ball position. Off of the lead ear or logo of golf shirt and distance from ball (arms hanging properly underneath shoulder joints). Then, take a look at the Step by Step Right Arm Drills and the Golf Swing Release Drill. Make sure the the trail hand isn't controlling face over rotation.
November 11, 2015
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Djamil
Hello i am french i hope my english will not be too bad... I have started golf one year ago so i ask me a lot of question. One of this is my distance from the ball. I am a tall man : 6ft8 my clubs are +2 inches +2 degre upright. I am sure When you are so tall you have too adjust your set up position. When i look my swing it seems i have no space for my arm in the impact zone, so my question is : is it a good deal to Put my ball more far and Get more spine angle? Thank you
October 30, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Meran. Ideally, you would tend to be a little further and have more space (changing of spine angle). Than, try to overly bend at the knees to create space or comfort.
October 30, 2015
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Craig
I cannot find the video that was talked about that helps you determine how far to stand away from the ball. Is there any keys for a person to determine that?
August 15, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Craig. Ball position (distance from body) is determined by your arms at setup. When the arms are hanging neutrally underneath the shoulder joint as described in the Proper Hinging from the Hips Video (Setup Section) you want to maintain that relationship. That will determine how far you need to get to and from the ball.
August 17, 2015
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Virgil
Hello. When I have the ball off the lead ear, forward in my stance, I tend to have my shoulders open at address because the club head sits behind the ball. I believe this is one of the things that contributes to pulled shots. So, should my shoulders be open at address because of the ball position? I found the only way to fix the open shoulders and my pulled shots are the either to put more weight on my lead foot or set up my club head 2-3 inches behind the ball on the ground at address. What should I do to better set up at address?
August 8, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Virgil. Do you have the proper amount of axis tilt? Importance of Axis Tilt in the Setup Section. You also could have the tendency to always have your shoulders open with the ball back. I know when I changed my RST Ball Position and Swing. Chuck had to yell at me for years to practice being more square. It was just a natural tendency to feel more open and comfortable, but affected my swing too much.
August 10, 2015
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Virgil
Should there be slightly more axis tilt as the club becomes longer? So a 3 wood would have more axis tilt than an 7 iron?
August 13, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Virgil. Axis tilt with the irons and woods will remain relatively the same. However, with the Driver you can add a little more to control launch conditions.
August 13, 2015
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Trevor
Hello Chuck - once again a great video - I love RST and have been a member for some time now. My question is about ball set up when using the Driver. I tend to find that when I set up with the ball just inside my left heel the ball seems too far back in my stance and I have a conscious thought that I'll push the ball right as I won't have time to square the club head on the way down. When I set up with the ball on my left foot I tend to feel that I can then swing through to the ball with an ascending blow as required. Is my conscious thought of a tendency to push the ball unfounded? On the range I work hard to keep the ball in the right place and 75% of the time it works with a nice gentle draw, but when I get on the course I don't trust my ball position unless I move it left and then I tend to fade / slice it. Is it a case of just keep working on the fundamental or could there be other reasons for this problem?
July 18, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Trevor. I wouldn't say your conscious thought of a tendency to push the ball is unfounded. It's more likely you brain just feels comfortable that you will have plenty of time to square the face depending on your path and secondary tilt into the strike. If you move it on the course you are probably trying to create tilt for launch and delaying even further release of the club. Take a look at the Driver Launch Angle Video in the Bomb Your Driver Series. You can put it more up if you would like. Just understand what the tendency should be. And, if you would like to play it off the instep. Add more axis tilt at address and maintain it better into impact.
July 18, 2015
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Trevor
Thanks Craig. I'll gave a look at the video and try out your advice when I'm at the range next. Cheers. Trev
July 19, 2015
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John
Hello, I am new to Rotary Swing. Do you have a video that tells you if you are too close or too far way from the golf ball? Butch Harmon has the right hand dropping off the club drill. What do you guys use to measure the correct distance from the ball? Thanks, John
July 12, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello John. Distance from the ball is measured by where you hang the arms at address. When the arms are hanging properly from the shoulder joints that is the distance you want to keep when addressing the ball.
July 13, 2015
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Donald
Which video explains how to determine how far away or close to the ball you should be. I understand one ball position (left ear) but don't understand how close to stand to the ball. Thanks.
June 30, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Donald. Ball position (distance from body) is determined by your arms at setup. When the arms are hanging neutrally underneath the shoulder joint as described in the Proper Hinging from the Hips Video (Setup Section) you want to maintain that relationship. That will determine how far you need to get to and from the ball.
June 30, 2015
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Virgil
Hi, I have been with RST for a few weeks now and have learned a lot and feel like I am making good progress. I am working on mastering setup and the takeaway, and realize I have a long way to go before everything is on par. So, at the range, when hitting balls with the 7 iron and up, I pull the ball with the 7 iron and all clubs higher up. I tend to jump up and spin out at impact. I think this contributes to my pulled shots. How do I stop jumping and spinning my feet at impact? With my first video analysis, I was told my shoulders are too steep during the down swing and I have been working on this but I still jump.
June 16, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Virgil. The Belt Buckle Drill in the Advanced Downswing Section, Squat to Square in the Advanced Downswing Section, and Perfecting Lower Body Stability in the Weight Transfer Section.
June 16, 2015
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Virgil
Thanks
June 17, 2015
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Mark
Maybe you can clarify something for me? when i set up correctly; feet maximum 2" outside neutral, slight hip bump, correct grip(2 knuckles), arms hanging down, hands on top of ball, arms in front of my sternum., the ball will be not in the middle of my stance, but more towards my left heal? is this correct, coz our club pro told me ball has to be in the middle of my stance! i have to say i have been with rst over a year now, and i have made constant progress, i started with hc 18 and now i am a hc 10, and i havent even worked on my short game yet(average of 35 putts). so i know i shouldnt listen to the pro, but still he managed to confuse me a litlle! thx in advance
June 8, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. Yes, the ball should be off of the lead ear or logo of the golf shirt. Take a look at Proper Ball Position in the Setup Section. Happy to hear good news with your game and some RST improvement! Thanks for the post.
June 8, 2015
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Rick
I have a question about the position of the hands relative to the body and the ball. I have not seen a video on this. (maybe a suggestion). I have found that I play better with the butt end of all my clubs pointed at my left hip bone. Just for clarity, not the hip socket, but the bone that juts out. I have also noticed that it appears to me that Rory McIIroy also has his hands in the same position for all clubs. Is this correct? The reason that I ask is that I have seen many golfers including Pros and instruction books where the butt end of the club seems to be pointing at the centre of the body at the belt buckle. I have tried to play from this address position and I spray the ball all over the place. What is the RST official position on this? One more question on the hands. Is there a recommended height to hold them. I find if I have them too low, I tend to block shots, whereas if my hands are too high (sort of a straight line from my shoulder all the way down the shaft with no dip) I have a tendency to flip the club and hit it left. Thanks. Keep yup the great work!!
May 28, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Rick. Thanks for the compliments of our work and the site. The club should be vertical at address. If you get the club leaning too far forward you start to take away the dynamics of impact and lead to a more wristy takeaway move. The hands should be neutral at address. If you are hanging them correctly form the shoulder joint you should be fine. There does need to be a little angle and not too much of a straight line.
May 28, 2015
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Rick
Craig, Thanks. I hear what you are saying about the hands hanging straight down from the shoulder joint. Regarding the first part of my question I was not clear. The ball is played just inside my left heel with the end of the club pointing to my left hip bone. The shaft is vertical. In fact, it forms a straight line with my left arm. Is this right. The other position I have seen is where the shaft is vertical, the ball is played further back but when viewed from in front of the golfer (ie the caddy view) the left arm is not in a straight line with the shaft. The left hand is in front of the belt buckle. Ben Hogan describes it has the "arms were equal sides of a triangle, with the club emerging like the spire if a steeple at the peak point where the arms join." There is an illustration on page 41 of Five Lessons that shows this with a 5 iron.
May 28, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Rick. You are looking for more of this kind of "Y" at setup versus "y". More like page 41. Except for on that page the feet shouldn't be shoulder width apart .
May 28, 2015
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Seth
Is there a video that shows how far away from the golf ball one should stand?
March 14, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Seth. You can take a look at one of the latest video reviews. Dustin Johnson Setup for Consistency. It will be located of the latest videos tab. Nevertheless, distance from the ball is set by proper hinging from the hips and correctly hanging arms from the shoulder joints. Take a look at the Proper Hinging from the Hips Video in the Setup Section. If the arms hang neutral at address. That will be the distance you want to be from the ball.
March 14, 2015
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Seth
Thanks. That one helped a lot. So if I understand that correctly, we don't want neutral joint alignment of the ankle, knees, and hips at setup, from the face on or down the line view, correct?
March 15, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Seth. You will be 2 inches outside NJA from the Face On. While bent over from Down the Line. Weight centered over ankles, but a line going from the ankle joint to the back of the knee.
March 15, 2015
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Mark
I have trouble cupping my left wrist at the start of the downswing. This gets me very steep coming down. Is this a ball position issue? Should the left wrist be flat already at address or when should it flatten?
March 6, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mark. (Right Handed Player). The left wrist will work from slightly cupped at setup to flat at the top. Take a look at the Using the Wrist Efficiently Video in the Introduction Advanced Section. Chris will clear everything up for you.
March 6, 2015
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Christian
In looking at the mirror, I am too close to the ball. When I put in some distance I feel like I am reaching so far away, but looking at the mirror, I look right where I am suppose to be. This is such a revelation for me. Great video.
March 5, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks Christian. The mirror doesn't lie.
March 5, 2015
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Michael
This is great insight into ball position. I have been struggling with getting my weight onto the lead foot early enough in the downswing. I've realised part of the problem is a BP too far back! Moving the BP forward, forces you to get your weight forward, otherwise you can't hit the ball crisply!
March 1, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks for the post Michael. Yes, ball position is critical with getting the body to "want" to transfer the weight properly.
March 3, 2015
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Rick
I tend to like to move the ball forward. Any swing killers lurking in this scenario?
February 28, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Rick. Moving the ball too far forward you could start to add too much secondary axis tilt and get more of an upswing blow (ascending instead of descending) which is preferably only with the driver.
March 1, 2015
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Mike
Hmmm. I was taught to move my irons back in my stance from 8-iron up. Is this wrong? Is every club supposed to be off the left ear?
February 27, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Mike. Yes, your ball position shouldn't change. Take a look at Proper Ball Position Video in the Setup Section. The bottom of your swing arch doesn't change from club to club.
February 27, 2015
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Mike
Many thanks. I should be able to look forward to more consistency by the sounds of it.
February 27, 2015
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Carl
very good points on this ball positioning, what about someone who is standing taller? Thanks Carl
February 26, 2015
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Chris (Certified RST Instructor)
Hey Carl, I am very sorry that we missed this comment a few weeks ago. We generally never miss these things. Ball position should still remain constant even for a player that is standing taller. The spacing from the golf ball at the address position could vary a bit, which can be attributed to overall body type. Hope that helps.
March 19, 2015
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Jim
This is my first day with my subscription. Can you tell me the best way to get on an improvement schedule? How does it work for me to begin a course of improvement that highlights my faults, and gets me on a path to a better swing? In other words, where do I start? Thanks, Jim
February 26, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Jim. Welcome to the site! I have 2 suggestions for you. 1. Upload your swing to one of our online instructors. They are very qualified and happy to help you devise a plan of attack on the most pertinent area of need. 2. Start with the Introductory and Setup Videos. Understanding How the Brain Learns and Proper Setup will go miles in progressing to the RST Swing.
February 26, 2015
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Peter
That's explains a lot. Solved two of my problems. Thanks
February 26, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
No problem Pete. Glad to help.
February 26, 2015
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bradley
I am 6' tall and I've been told my long arms are equivalent to someone who is 6'5". I have often wondered how to maximize this in my golf swing and what to take into consideration on my set up with extra long arms. Thanks Brad
February 26, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Happy to hear Brad. We appreciate the thumbs up!
February 26, 2015
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Chan
Chuck, Just want to say how much I enjoy RST. I have been a member for about a year and a half. Your instructions are crystal clear and the swing help that I have gotten from Aaron and Chris have been so helpful. I think I'm ready to show people my before and afters. Thanks again.
February 25, 2015
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
We'd love to see your before and afters! Congrats on the improvements!
February 26, 2015
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Scott
Which video talks about ball position? Optimum distance away from the body.(Not position between your feet). I feel that I am getting stuck when working on bringing my right hand straight down to help establish lag.
February 25, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Scott. Check Below. Distance from the ball is correct when the arms are hanging correctly from the shoulder joints in Neutral Joint Alignment.
February 25, 2015
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Evan
Chuck mentions in the video that there are video's in the set up section about how to get correct distance. Do not see that is any titles in set up section. Can u guide me to the correct one.
February 25, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Even. The Proper Hinging from the Hips and 5 Minutes to the Perfect Setup Video. Distance from the ball is achieved by hanging the arms directly underneath the shoulder joints in Neutral Joint Alignment.
February 25, 2015
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Evan
Craig Thanks I will give that a shot. But in hinging video nothing about distance from ball is mentioned. And probably not in five minute either.I guess it is supposed to be obvious using NJA and length of club. Thanks again.
February 26, 2015
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andrew
HI Chuck nice video. Can you direct me to other videos or instruction regarding how far away from the ball we should stand? I struggle with this as I am tall and tend to stand too close with my hands too low I think. Having a nice framework to work from would be nice.
February 25, 2015
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Craig (Certified RST Instructor)
Hello Andrew. There aren't any specific videos to refer you too. However, all is not lost. The distance from the ball is achieved by proper placement of the arms. If you take a look at the Proper Hinging from the Hips Video and the 5 Minutes to the Perfect Setup Video in the Setup Section. When the arms are hanging properly underneath the shoulder joints in NJA that is optimal distance. Check to make sure your arms aren't inside the shoulder joints which would force you to be too close.
February 25, 2015
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David
I'm 78 YO and been golfing since age 14. In 64 years of golf, golf instruction, golf practice, golf everything, this is the first time "ball position" has been explained in a way that makes sense and is revelatory. Just like most other things about golf which are explained on this website.
February 25, 2015
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
Thanks David, I wish I could have helped you with your game sooner but when you first started playing I was -26 years old!
February 25, 2015
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JOE
quick question what do i tell a friend that said he was going to buy a training aid, Hank Handy's swing magic ? i did tell him to sign up with rotary swing and do the drills i think he just wants another aid to play with... ?
February 25, 2015
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JOE
woop, spelling wrong on the name (Haney)
February 25, 2015
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Chuck (Certified RST Instructor)
You can only lead a horse to water. If he doesn't want help, best thing you can do is go out and start whooping up on him with your RST swing and when he sees that, he'll want to know how you did it. That's how we do it around here One day he'll come around to the realization that the only real way to improve is working the proper fundamentals and training aids and tips are just temporary band-aids.
February 25, 2015
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JOE
THANKS CHUCK, I WILL RST THAT PONY !!
February 25, 2015

In this video, I'm gonna talk about common setup problems based on ball position, and swing faults that are derived from having the ball in the wrong position, and how to simply make these changes to not only hit the ball more cleanly and more crisply and get better launch angle, but in the second part of the video I'm gonna talk about how it's gonna help you pick up more club head speed.

                So, first what I want to talk about is the number one flaw that we see in all the lessons I've ever given. Thousands and thousands of lessons. Hands down the most common fault that we see at setup with the ball position is having it too far back in your stance. This happens out of the subconscious fear to make sure that we can make the contact. If you hit a couple fat ones, you start moving the ball further and further back, and then what you end up in is this never ending cycle that as you hit a fat shot, you move the ball further back in your stance. It makes your swing faults worse, you shift your weight less, because if you shifted your weight properly, you'd top the ball and your divot would start out out here. You'd miss the ball completely.

                So what happens is you start, all of a sudden, making these changes because you're hitting the ball fat and trying to fix the wrong thing. Moving the ball position up in your stance is actually the solution when you're hitting the ball fat, a lot of time. Not all of the time. But in most amateur golfer cases, when they start moving the ball further and further back, they start hanging further off their right leg, start doing this kind of motion, and then it just leads into a million faults that you can't fix without getting your weight shift corrected.

                You can't fix your weight shift without having the ball in the correct position. Because as I said earlier, you'd literally completely miss the ball. So the number one thing that you need to check ... And you need to do this daily. Every time you go to the range, throw a shaft down and then throw another shaft down so that you can see where the ball is at in your setup. And if the ball looks like this when you're setup perpendicular to another shaft going down the target line, it's too far back in your stance. And you're gonna have all kinds of issues with your swing, because weight shift is one of the most important fundamentals in your swing. You have to have it for power and consistency.

                And so when the ball is this far back in your stance, you're gonna have to hit it off your back foot, which is gonna lead to a multitude of problems. Okay? So number one problem, just make sure the ball is up off the logo of your shirt, off the left side of your left ear, for right handed golfers of course. And now you'll be able to turn back behind it, and as you shift forward you won't be getting out in front of it. You'll be shifting back to the ball, and then you can make good contact and release the club. So that's the number one problem.

                Number two. And this is a different one that you probably haven't heard before. I want to talk about how from down the line having the ball at the right distance actually helps you pick up club head speed. So, let's look at this fault.

                Number one fault that we see kinda goes back to the first one where the ball is too far back in your stance, because you hit a couple fat shots, you're not hitting it solid. Instinctively our minds say, "Put the ball back in our stance." Well, the second thing that you're gonna tend to do is setup really close to the ball, because again, we have this subconscious fear that the further we are from the ball, the harder it's gonna be to hit. So we want to get really close to the ball, and what this is gonna tend to do is make us have a really steep swing plane and a really steep angle of attack. You can pull that off with your wedges, but when you get to your five, six iron, your four iron, your three iron, your three wood off the deck, and you can't get enough height on it, the trick ... apart from making sure the ball is up in your stance properly ... is making sure that you are setup far enough away from the ball that it won't steepen your angle of attack.

                Because what's gonna happen here ... I'm gonna really exaggerate this for a moment to make this point very clear. If I stood really far away from the ball, and this is a seven iron ... So exaggeratedly far from the ball, I'd have a really hard time hitting down on it very steeply, compared to if I stood really close to the ball, I can get a really steep angle of attack and dig a big trench here.

                So as I start moving the ball further away from my stance, what it's going to allow me to do is release the club properly, but it's more importantly gonna help me pick up speed. Why does it help pick up speed? The reason is, the longer I can effectively make this club, the shaft, the faster it's going to move. For every half inch that you go up in a club ... So for instance, all of your irons tend to be a half inch longer than the next. So your seven iron's a half inch longer than your eight iron. The reason for that is it help you pick up about 2 miles an hour of club head speed of every half inch that you go up.

                So, effectively, when you setup really close to the ball, you've taken that golf club and you've made it really short. Kinda like what I talked about in the Vijay video, where I'm talking about using the pinky instead of trying to push with your right hand and make the club work around this point, we're letting it work around this point. We're effectively making that club longer.

                Well, the same is true of course in your setup. So if I setup really close to the ball, and I come into impact, the radius of my swing is gonna be very narrow. Versus here. Now I've just turned my seven iron into a four iron. So as I get a proper setup at distance from the ball, now I have a lot longer effective club. And it's gonna help you pick up a tremendous amount of speed with no more effort on your part. It's just proper fundamentals.

                So how far do we setup from the ball? Well, we covered that in the old setup videos, right? So we don't need to worry about that here. But just make certain that you're not setting up the ball too far back in your stance and too close to the ball. Especially if you struggle picking up speed with the longer clubs and getting the ball up in the air. With a three iron, this is gonna make the club move faster and it's going to shallow out your angle of attack, because your swing plane can't be so steep compared to when you're setting up close to the ball. It's gonna allow the club to come in shallower, clip the ball off the turf, get the ball up in the air, and you can start hitting those long irons again.

                So, those two things are the two most common swing faults that we see with the bad ball position. Make sure the ball is in the right spot, and good things will happen in your swing.

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