How to Shallow Your Golf Swing Fast and Easy - Live Lesson

Do you struggle with shallowing the club in the downswing and keep hitting a pull cut or even slice? The fix might be super simple as you will see in this lesson.

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How are you, good man?

I'm excited.

How's your day going?

So far?

I've been slammed and busy and exhausted and tired and running ragged.

But I, I'm starting to catch my breath.

And after all this research, that's been driving me freaking crazy for eight months, finally putting it out there.

So hey, I'm excited too.

I heard the news is coming out this week.

I was like, Oh, shoot, I gotta be on lookout for that.

I, Yeah, I'm I dude, I, I have.

I'm super diligent in how I'm testing everything, so it's taking me, you know.

I wanted to have the data to back it up and to be able to go out and play with it and do all this stuff.

But right on, definitely hitting the best shots of of my life, which has been pretty fun, so that's awesome.

Yeah, yeah, so so what's going on with you, man?

So I, um, I actually hurt my shoulder playing golf here about a month ago.

I had some like fraying in my rotator cuff and stuff and I had to get like a couple steroid shots in there.

So I haven't been able to play actually, and I just started playing this week again and it's not good.

Man.

I just I need some like, Uh, I need like a big picture view of kind of how to start again, you know?

I mean, I'm kind of.

I've been watching a lot of videos and stuff on the site while I've been hurt, you know, and I've got everything is, and like, the minutiae.

But I kind of need, like, just like, a big picture.

Here's what I need to do down the road.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely.

Sometimes we all need that just to recenter and get grounded, right?

So that's awesome.

Go ahead.

Yeah, um, I was just gonna say, I really see a lot with my driver.

I can definitely see that I'm standing up out of my posture, especially with the driver.

And with the longer woods and irons, it like, I'm getting some wicked snap hooks, dude, like you wouldn't believe I can.

My iron's a little better and it's more of like a little pull cut that I can kind of control.

But definitely with the longer clubs, it gets kind of ugly.

So okay, yeah, you wouldn't mind taking a look at, maybe, like, my iron and driver swing now, for sure.

Awesome.

Yeah, let's do it, let's see what we got.

Party, let's see.

Is there?

If I do, I got like, a seven iron.

Is that okay?

First?

Yeah, that's perfect, all right.

Yeah, that's perfect.

Okay.

I'll kind of go after it too.

Because I feel like the more speed I try to get, the more apparent it is.

That's what I'm doing.

Perfect, all right, Can I see face Okay, okay, perfect.

And I think that this might be an interesting case study for the work that I've been doing, so we'll talk about it.

Yeah, because I, yeah, so let me let me see what's going on here.

So you got pretty high hands and then the club gets a little steep coming down, you can definitely play there.

So what's interesting is you, you know, you kind of get into a pretty high hands position and then you use.

Are you naturally left-handed?

I'm actually naturally right-handed.

It's funny you'd say that.

Well, no, there.

This is what's interesting about it, like you're getting into a high hands position because you're right-handed.

And that allows you to swing the club up and not really dominate the swing much with the trail arm.

But then as you come down, you can, your arm can just yank the club down because your right arm is so strong.

Most golfers, their lead arm is their weak arm, right, and so they can't rip the club down that fast.

Because they just don't have the strength or coordination to do it whereas you do right, so now what you're missing because you have higher hands, you know, in relationship to your shoulders.

Yeah, I can see a lot of your right shoulder and your right trap here, and it was more so on the first swing.

Uh, let me just go back to that one, that's crazy, you'd even know that man so well.

It's a lot of swings, brother I I.

During this research, for the past eight months, I've made over 50, 000 swings.

Oh my gosh man, dude, I'm so fucking sore and tired.

Uh, people have no idea what I've been doing.

I've been in this studio for eight to ten hours a day, hitting balls.

Oh my gosh man, yeah, yeah, I, I put it to good use, right?

So so here's this chick you got, you know, you got a good shoulder overplane.

The arm, the right arm is is a fair bit above it, so you just need to shallow it out.

Okay, now, how you do that is not going to be working very well.

When you're pulling down with the lead arm that aggressively, okay, so you're, you're going to run into.

The stuff that you're seeing is that you said?

You can kind of play like a little bit of a pull cut, but, you know, a cut's great.

But, uh, you know, when you're coming down steep like that, it's pretty tricky to get all that stuff to balance out.

You're not quite getting a full turn, so this is this is a prototypical lead arm dominant move right here.

Even though you know you're making a big backswing, like you've got a high hand, you, you know from down the line.

It looks like a proper full backswing, but your trail shoulder is not loaded up.

Okay, I'll explain why that matters in just a moment.

But.

But we know from this point that your lead shoulder girdle, or I know, is really loaded and stretched and ready to fire.

Okay, wow, which is actually the shoulder.

I heard playing golf, well, this is how you heard it well, so I know.

So, yeah, and you mentioned rotator cuff, so there's a basic, there's a group of.

There's a bunch of muscles here, obviously, but but you're the muscles that you're going to use on this side.

Like your infraspinatus, your supraspinatus, your teres minor, your subscap, your rhomboid, those are, and the first three I mentioned are all rotator cuff muscles.

So, um, you know, if you, if you sustain an injury to those, uh, these muscles do external rotation, they do, uh, arm elevation at an angle with the arm internally rotated.

Things that are important for golf.

Okay, so so what you're doing is you're getting just a ton of speed from that dominant arm and the club doesn't get a chance to shallow out.

And then what's interesting here is that you actually stall out and you flip, yeah, yeah, and get a little flip at the bottom.

Well, watch your your right arm, your right arm is, has done all it's could, it could.

There's nothing else left for it to do because you yank that thing down so hard from the top.

There's nothing left to keep moving it right, but there's a.

But there's a ton of momentum in the club.

Still.

Okay, so so that you get that flip and that's why your right arm looks pinned against your chest, okay, so so all of this stuff, this is what's?

This is a big part of what I've been researching, this, this, uh, this whole, this whole year, basically.

So my my initial thoughts were, you know, is, is there?

Is there a benefit of being more lead side dominant or trail side dominant?

is there benefit to being more body oriented?

Is there benefit to having your hands higher?

is there benefit to having them lower?

What are the force plates show in terms of what kind of ground forces we're creating and those types of things?

And so as I was researching all this stuff, you know, I have a lot of injuries on my lead side, so I'm super susceptible to, like, understanding pain really quickly when I try to do things with my lead side.

Because I have nerve damage on the left side.

That affects my rotator cuff muscles, actually, so, um, so, I unfortunately know a lot about that, the rotator cuff muscles on that side.

But and I also shattered my hand, so my left hand, my lead hand, is really, really weak.

Okay, so so for me, I couldn't yank that club down as fast as you could.

I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

There's just no physical strength for me.

So, but in your case, now, you're strong and you're playing left-handed, but you're naturally right-handed.

So you've got this dominant hand that can just do a ton of work.

Now, here's the trick to that.

I tested this, I tested everything under the sun.

But I tested trying to feel just lead arm, I tested trying to feel lead side of the body pulling.

I tested just driving with the hips, I tested right arm throw, right arm push, so I tried all of those things.

If I'm just lead arm dominant, right?

And which is kind of what you are.

I mean, you're making a turn, but, but you're really turning and then just getting this lead shoulder girdle loaded and then yanking it down, and that's why you're steep.

Okay for me, I started getting pain in my left forearm, my lead forearm, trying to do that, and you may not have that yet, but I don't have again.

I don't have very good strength in my hand.

So I have to squeeze the club kind of tight in order to be able to pull the club the way down.

The way that you are.

And so that really caused a lot of pain.

But in your case, it went right to your rotator cuff muscles, because you're just yanking that thing down.

Okay, so here's the trick to all of this stuff.

And there's two basic ways of thinking about the golf swing.

Okay, you're either going to pull with the lead side of your body and a little bit of the lead arm.

You're just doing more lead arm.

That's why you're stalling out, or you're going to add pushing motion from the trail arm.

Both totally work right, and I played with both this summer and my handicap stayed exactly the same.

So ball striking, that kind of stuff there's.

There's nuances and fine -tuning things that are different for each, but in general, like, is it going to radically change?

Uh, you know, going one way or the other?

No, you can play great golf either way, and people have, you know, Colin Montgomery swings super high hands, big lateral hip shift, big lateral hip shift the other way.

You know, he's still a great, freaking golfer, right?

So at the end of the day, you can play great either way.

So the question is now for you, you're not going to be able to sustain pulling down with your lead arm forever.

You're young, you're fit, you can do it now, but you've already had an injury, right?

And so that's not sustainable.

So the question is, do you want to be?

Because you're naturally more, you know, lead side dominant, because that's your dominant side anyway.

If you're going to swing to be more of a lead side pull, then you have to get some shallowing moves in your swing because your arm's too steep and coming.

For most golfers, who are naturally trail hand dominant, because most golfers are playing right handed and they're not very, very right side dominant.

Then they can use more right arm trail arm thrust in the swing to help balance it out.

My guess is.

You're probably going to want to take advantage of the fact that you naturally are right -handed, playing left-handed.

And so you're going to want to feel more pulling.

But I don't know if you've experimented one way or the other to feel using the trail arm and in the swing at all.

Or have you always just used your dominant hand?

Well, I've always kind of used my dominant hand.

I watch a couple of, like the recent lessons you did, where you're talking about doing like this, like a throw motion.

And um, no, I can definitely do that.

It feels a little more awkward, like you're saying, just because it's not my dominant hand.

What do you think?

I mean, I'd be willing to try whatever, to be honest with you.

Or even if you wanted to have it as like a prototype or something, I could, I could give it a rip.

Well, here's my.

There's two ways of thinking about it.

In general, people who are lead side dominant and and have that motion grooved.

That's what we would call a swing like, kind of a swinging motion, whereas somebody who's trail hand dominant is more of a pushing motion.

I think that tends to favor people who are naturally trail hand dominant.

So you may find that that might feel pretty awkward.

But what I might do is I'll kind of give you a couple ways to chew on it.

Either way, to tinker with it in a really simple way, both ways.

Because there's definitely advantages, uh, to to the trail side stuff, and there's definitely advantages to the lead side stuff, right?

So let's take it kind of balanced out first with what you've got working.

So the simplest way to figure this out to, to get everything to balance out.

So that your plane and path are in alignment and you're not getting injured anymore.

Is you have to use more body rotation because that movement will help your arm not have to fire so aggressively from the top.

So when you think about what you're doing to come down as you go here and then yank this arm down we, that's going to get you steep.

Okay, so now, instead of that, you need to get your body working, and this is where typically most people you're athletic enough, you can pull this off.

But what I've seen is that people who are, you know, not naturally lead arm dominant and trying to get them to use their body is so hard.

I mean, I've been teaching for 25 years and it's just one of those things that it takes a long time to get people to.

To use their core and their hips, it's just not natural unless they're naturally athletic and naturally lead side, you know, have some coordination there.

The average golfer who, you know, I just gave a lesson to a guy just now before you, and he, and he literally looks like this in his golf swing, right?

It's just not going to work.

So so for you, there's two things that you can kind of do with this one.

You can shallow out your arms at the top, not, you know, as part of your backswing equation.

So that you don't have the inherent steepness in there, right?

So as you're going back, you know?

Instead of picking your arm up and getting your arm well above your shoulders, getting your arms a little bit shallower at the top immediately takes part of that steepness.

Out of the swing, right?

So that's the one, what's that?

I see what you're saying.

You don't really have, like you don't have to go the whole distance from here to here, since you're already kind of there.

Yeah, so like, what, what's?

You know?

Your arms at the top are totally fine, but you don't have that natural, inherent shallowing motion.

It's just a yank down with the lead arm and that's how you've got hurt, okay?

So if you're here, then you have to be able to shallow it out now, the way that you shallow it out.

There's a million different ways that it's been done and taught, and I tried all of them this summer and they all work right there.

There's a right arm throw, so that's a Freddie couples kind of motion, right?

So he's, he's got his arm flying at the top.

And then if you look at his swing really slow, watch, the only thing that moves to start his downswing is his right arm, right.

He gets this and he does this.

This is a throwing motion, so looking at it from face on or down the line, you'll see his left arm, his shoulders.

The club barely moves, but this right arm moves a lot because he's in a high hands position, the flying elbow.

And then he does this now, the catch to that is from that position when you start to activate this right arm and the muscles that you use to do this.

It naturally starts tilting my spine back because I'm contracting the muscles on the right side of my body, which cause my my spine to bend.

Right is that right?

It absolutely shallows it out, but it also causes you to hang back, all right.

So now I'm doing this, this totally works my lat and all these intercostals are pulling this arm down.

So now I'm in a position to where, as I keep turning through, I've got a lot of side bend, right?

So then, you know, Freddie's a great player and he learned he didn't want to hang back.

So he, you know, he pushed off this side, got his hips really open.

He had a lot of lateral hip movement, with a lot of hang back from that throwing motion and it works.

But he's had a bad back for 30 years, right?

So there's a trade-off between, you know, using that kind of throwing motion.

Now, I'm not saying everybody's going to get hurt like Freddie did.

But inherently, when you look at the muscles that engage and what has to happen to produce any real speed.

You can do this slow, you know, and not get hurt, but what's the point of swinging slow?

Like?

If you're going to produce any force and speed in it, then then this is going to happen pretty.

These contractions are going to happen pretty aggressively and you're going to get into these positions where you're going to possibly get hurt.

Yeah, so that's why I'm not a huge fan of being really high-handed and then using that trail arm throwing motion to shallow it out.

You know, you, you can do it, you know, Freddie had, you know, had, like I said, a lot of lateral move.

Everybody kind of blends these shallowing moves together in their own natural way, right?

Nicholas?

He set up with a lot of axis tilt, had high hands, and also had quite a bit.

Oh, hey man, I think your audio went out on there, or it might be my computer, I'm not sure.

let me see if it's mine.

Can you hear me now?

Yeah, I can hear you.

Sorry, my battery died on my mic.

Yours okay?

So, uh, so what I was saying with, you know?

Guys?

Who who have that trailing arm throwing motion tend to kind of have more lateral move, more secondary axis tilt, more back and hip problems.

In my opinion, it may take a long time to develop, but it happens okay.

So that's why I'm not a huge fan.

After all the stuff that I did this summer, trying that myself.

And finally, just no way to not create a lot of side bend doing that, I don't think that's the best option, so for you being, you know, right side dominant.

What you're going to need to feel is way more quiet and passive in your arms, and you need to feel a bigger turn with your body.

To get these arms back here.

So that you have more time for the arm to shallow out, the swing needs to feel more around.

If you go up with high hands, you need a lot of shallowing stuff and that's where stuff gets a little tricky if you go more around.

And let your lead arm swing pretty naturally and relax and then rotate and let the arm get pulled through, then your arms get to shallow out naturally.

But if your arms are tense because you're getting ready, because you've lifted that arm up pretty aggressively, so the shoulder's tense.

And then you're gearing up to pull it down.

The club has no chance to shallow out.

So from a really simple, you're making like, a like, a flatter turn as well, or is it just completing the turn that I'm already making?

It's not a flatter turn?

Your shoulder turn is great, it's let, it's keeping your, it's reducing the amount of elevation in your arms.

That's the simplest way to think about, right?

The steeper my arms are in relationship to my shoulder plane, the more shallowing moves I've got to put in there.

Okay, so if I don't do this and I do more swinging around, okay with my lead arm, then my arms are a little bit shallower.

I don't have as much elevation because I'm not picking my arm up, so now as I come down from here, my arm is more relaxed, this arm naturally begins to drop.

Your arm is high, tight and pulling, and I'm saying, if you're going to use your lead side to pull, it's helpful to be a little bit shallower.

Let your body get the initial movement of the arm done, and that's how pulls the arm in.

Okay, so let's try just a couple, yeah.

We're just swinging the club a little bit more around your body, and you're going to focus a little bit more on pulling with your body to pull the arm through.

Okay, can you see this?

Okay, yep.

So instead, is that too much?

Nope.

Make sure your right shoulder feels pretty relaxed at the top.

Okay, there you go now.

Use your body, your core to rotate you from there and keep your arms relaxed.

Okay, relax the arms more.

The arms are going to be soft, so your arms are still pretty quick there.

So so try to feel like that club is really, really heavy and you just swing, you're just kind of feeling the weight of the club head.

You think one of these might be helpful to try, like little whips, Yep, that'd be perfect.

Yep, and now use your body to pull there, you go, do that again.

Okay, let's just take a quick look at those.

Okay, I'm gonna feel super deep, I bet it's like a full swing still, though.

Oh yeah, all right.

So this is where, at first, you're kind of showing, you know, that's where you aren't.

Hands would normally go, and that's where you're trying to kind of put them shallower, right?

So we just have less of those compensating, shallowing moves, so that looks pretty good there for a lead side pull kind of swing, so this was the first kind of swing with some speed.

So you can see your your lead arm and your shoulders are much closer to a similar plane.

And because you turn really well with your shoulders, this is great, so you don't really.

When you have really steep shoulders like you do, or proper shoulders, then don't need that as much elevation so that's a good thing, and I think, you know, having a lot of elevation with your arms in relationship to your shoulders works better when you have really flat shoulders.

Because flatter shoulders, a flatter shoulder turn inherently shallows out your swing because your spine angle is more upright as your spine angle is steeper, right?

So if you were bent over at 90 degrees instead of, you know, 30?

Your swing plane would be vertical, right?

You'd just be swinging straight up and down, versus if you were standing straight up, your swing plane would be completely horizontal.

You'd be hitting that ball that was six feet off the ground, right, like off the peak.

So as you start thinking about that, that helps you understand what Shallow and Steepening does with your spine, so you have a great spine angle and a great shoulder turn.

You don't need to steepen your swing anymore, which is what elevating your arms does, right.

You're steepening your hands when you add elevation with you already steeper spine and shoulder turn.

Oh, okay, so now we don't need to go any higher, why would you need any more elevation than that?

You don't, right?

So now, as you come down, club is much shallower already.

So that alone would totally fix plane and path without doing anything else right?

If we put your original swing up, which we will, you'll see that your club right there.

See how it's through your bicep now, let me pull your other one up real quick.

Okay, so this is the original one, so now look at your original swing.

See how much higher your hands are in relationship to your shoulders.

Oh yeah, now watch as you come down.

Oh yeah, it's like, through my shoulder, huh?

yeah, right, so you can see how much steeper it is, right?

Yeah, and that's what's getting you to come down and hit these little pull cuts.

Hate that shot, man, it's pretty weak, it's not very fun to hit that.

It's real frustrating sometimes because I think that I have like, decent club head speed.

And you hit one of those little slappy little wiener shots and you're like, Wow, yep, exactly.

Well, that that instantly solved that without having to do really anything else, right?

You're instantly.

This is your the lower hands, and then more rotation through a whole body, just, you know, lower hands, which helps reduce some tension from your right shoulder.

Okay, if you, if you add elevation, and especially you being right-handed.

The way that you're going to do that is activate this deltoid your shoulder muscles in this right arm, right.

That's the only muscles you have to lift the club up.

That's what they're there for now.

When you do that, think about what's happening there.

If I'm lifting up from my right shoulder, what needs to happen in the downswing for the club to shallow out, that right shoulder now needs to relax.

Yeah, how's that going to happen?

You just activated it by lifting the club up.

It doesn't just turn itself off.

So you stretch these muscles in this right side of your body, in this right shoulder girdle.

That says, okay, I've stretched them as far as I can.

Because the more you lift your arms up, the more that you're stretching that lat so that the arm wants to get pulled down.

Okay, does that make sense?

Yeah, because I couldn't even see my mouth on the first one.

It's almost like it's so hiked up that it's hiding my mouth here.

Exactly.

Yeah, so now you've got that shoulder elevated, yeah, and and so now it doesn't just turn off.

So now you're going to want to yank the club down, that's exactly what you're doing.

From here, you're, you're much shallower.

The club shallows out automatically.

So even though you're a little bit more aggressive than I would want you to be with your arm swing, the club still shallows out.

You can still play golf from there, right?

So the catch is when you're when you're really trying to be more lead, side, pull oriented, dominant.

The arms need to relax more, right?

You don't need to be firing them hard from the top.

And so that would be the only thing that you would really work on is from a shallower arm position.

You just start, you know, relaxing your arms more, and start getting, you know, a little smoother rhythm and tempo to your swing.

Instead of just yanking the club down to produce speed, let me see, oh yeah.

And then when you went here, this was really good.

Now look how, look how flat your swing is.

Oh yeah, it's like I can actually see your left shoulder.

So there's not going to be any shallowing necessary here, right?

But now the club's already through your forearm.

Wow, so that's actually a little bit under the plane, you see?

So now you?

This would be a little bit of a push draw, which would, you know, completely transform your drives right now.

You'd at least be able to start murdering the driver again, right?

Oh my gosh, it'd be great.

I'm so scared.

Club man.

But what's cool about this is that your body position here is beautiful, you rotate really well.

And this club because the.

You know.

The flex flexibleness of the shaft is kind of giving you that feeling of not yanking it down because it just doesn't feel right.

You feel that shaft.

Not load correctly, right?

You're kind of waiting on it here now.

And so now, if you look at your position at impact, I mean it's absolutely spot on, flawless, that's perfect.

Your hips are turned, but your shoulders are more square, and the club's coming a little bit too far from the inside.

But but better now if I pull you back to.

Even when you were swinging really well with the iron here, when you, you had a tendency, yeah, right there, to get your hips really twisted.

Open here, and that's that's actually more open than they were with the longer swing, with the uh, with the flexible shaft.

So you can see a lot more belt line here.

And then we go back over here to the the skills thing.

Now your hip turn is more in sync, it's open, but it's more in sync with your arm swing.

So it's not like you're before, you're kind of like trying to glue things, moving together on two different planes, right?

Exactly what it felt like.

Yeah, and that's what was happening.

And so this kind of puts now.

Obviously, your arm swing and your shoulder swing are literally on the same plane, right?

So we don't have much to shallow out from from here.

Again, this dropped you a little bit under the plane, which right now would be, you know, you'd go from hitting a weak slap fade to to a pretty powerful, slight push draw, right?

Which is not the worst thing in the world for right now.

I mean, look how it shallows out, it's just perfect, you know, if I ask, I wouldn't change a thing as far as like the backswing goes.

Um, if I'm looking at this on camera, how will I know?

If I'm getting like too steep in there?

Is there a good spot to look for, like on camera if I'm videoing it too steep?

In the backswing?

Those are too too deep, like too far back here.

Yeah, at the end of the day, like, there's kind of like basic, generic positions, if you will that you can check stuff, but really, they're.

They're a byproduct of the shallowing and steepening moves that you have in your swing.

And everybody's swing is a little bit different, quite frankly, the swing that you just there is tour quality.

If we just balance out the path and plane, that was a little bit under the plane, okay with with that longer, you know, the whip your shaft, but you'll notice that your lead arm was a little bit beneath your shoulder plane.

We could actually see your trail shoulder with the irons, we couldn't see it right.

That balance point is really, I mean, you can try to be like, specific about it, and if I was being really specific about it, I would say.

It's going to go through the shoulder, through the arm, through the forearm, that's kind of through the shoulder, bicep, forearm, that's kind of ideal, but even that depends on a lot of things.

If I showed you Phil Mickelson's or Bubba Watson's swing, you know, these guys actually come down pretty steep through the lead arm.

But they're, you know, Phil Mickelson's a great example of somebody like you.

He's a lefty, but he's really right-handed, so he's really swinging that, that, that lead arm.

And that's why he tends to get a little bit steep.

And then he, you know, releases the snot out of it at the bottom.

Whereas that's just a little bit tricky time, you don't need to do that.

So.

And he, you know, again, he has a lot of stuff going on.

A swing, it's a pretty long swing, so he has more time to help shallow everything out and big body turn.

And that's why his arms don't look like they're ripping down as quickly as yours are, yours, you're.

You have a much more compact swing, but you have a compact swing with an aggressive arm pull, right?

Those two things don't work perfectly well together, right?

You don't have time for the club to shallow out now.

We could do all kinds of stuff that would make that work.

We could get you a little bigger turn like Phil.

You can make a little longer arm swing, you have more time to shallow it out.

Or we could just say, Look, you have plenty of speed, your body turns beautiful.

Let's just shallow you out a little bit.

And then just say, look.

As long as we know that at this point, you know, the club's kind of getting through that forearm.

And it's coming down square.

As long as it's not from the inside way over the top, then it's just coming down to ball.

Flight preference, right?

I mean, slight little variations there will allow you to shape the ball, and that's what's cool about it.

Let's say that, so don't, my point to it is this, don't think of it in terms of okay.

I want to make sure that I'm hitting all these positions perfect, right?

So that I'm, you know, my path is perfectly square, or exactly degrees in doubt or whatever give yourself the freedom so once you have like the like you said the big picture of the swing then just say okay well if i want to hit a draw then i'm just going to be a little bit shallower with my arms at the top and i'm going to feel what that feels like right so i'm going to be like okay well here's my fade swing here's my straight swing here's my draw swing because now i can naturally be like well it's much easier for me to think about coming from the inside and releasing it and hitting a little bit of a sweeper yeah just by making these tiny little adjustments it doesn't have to be all on these perfect lines like they all kind of work together that's that's really neat yeah i i think that once you get a chance to kind of experiment with it on the course you'll be like oh well now i can shape the ball either way just by making a slight adjustment to the feel in terms of where i'm at in terms of the height and elevation of my arms and and more important this should take all the stress off your shoulder because you're not trying to yank that thing down so steep you're letting it shallow out and get reconnected right so when you when you lift your arm up if i really exaggerate i really stretch these muscles right so i'm kind of disconnected from my body turn so i have to get this arm to come back down at some point now you weren't that that extreme but you're still disconnected this is not the most powerful position for your body to be in it's down in here when you've got this lat contracted and pulled down well by not elevating your arms as much we're not getting that big disconnection i got you right so you're able to start motoring this arm with the big muscles with your body turn like you do naturally instead of just trying to power it with the arm musculature alone that's how you tore your rotator cuff i think is wow being disconnected and yanking that thing down it's just you're you're doing what you're asking it to do it's just not designed to do that in the real world wow that's that's seriously really cool thanks for doing this man i really appreciate it it's always encouraging when like you can take a look at it and it feels like like you've been talking about like a swing and not just like okay you need to hear this and hit this position like it feels like you're actually making an athletic move not just like a robot doing doing the movements you know yeah exactly and that was a big part of what i wanted to do this summer is just like look there's so many different golf instructors out there who who are a lot of people are starting to say more similar things but they're kind of taking things out of context in my opinion i mean you look at a tour pro swing and you say oh well john rom does this so you know everybody needs to do that well it might be john rom is a classic trail side pusher he's push releasing the club totally fine to do that in fact i love it but that doesn't mean that somebody who's a lead side puller and swinger needs to do anything that john rom has done just because john rom's a great ball striker right so when you start really understanding how all of these little components kind of play together and with the injury prevention component in there then it just kind of becomes a lot simpler to think okay what do i really need to do to get the bat on the ball to make my swing work keep myself from getting torn up and and understand the components of it so i wouldn't really focus on any trail side stuff for you at all i would just shallow you out a little bit and then go and start playing some great golf okay and hey i'm sorry i don't want to keep you any longer but just going forward how should i try to implement this should i start hitting balls like that or should i start just looking at it in the mirror what do you think i i don't think that your swing is nearly as disastrously off as you think it is i think you can go out and play i think you can go out and just get the feeling of with where your arms are checking your tension level on this lead shoulder so you're not continuing to injure that the rotator cup and start seeing how you can shape some shots go out to the range one day just get a bucket of balls and be like okay i'm gonna see what it feels like and of course video your swing so you know what you're really doing not just what you feel we got to get both together and say okay well if i swing shallower with my lean arm what what does that naturally do to my release what does that naturally do to how i feel like i can control the club face through the hitting area and those types of things mechanically your swing is so good you just have like these tiny little things that are making you feel like oh why can't i hit the ball the way that i know i should it freaking drives me crazy kind of thing right it i promise you like the swings that i just showed you your body position is as good as the best ball strikers in the world you you just need to learn to be able to trust that by not doing these things that don't work well together with other things that happen in your swing thank you i appreciate that you're totally right though it's there's nothing more frustrating when we look at it on video and you think oh that's that's pretty good and then you go and hit balls you're like i'm the worst player on planet earth i can tell you dude from somebody i doubt anybody has ever worked on their swing or video their swing as much as i have and over my lifetime i mean i have videos of my swing from high school that's 30 years ago man so i've i've seen it and it used to drive me crazy and people would watch me hit balls in the range but dude your swing is so beautiful and i'm like yeah but it's not doing anything that i want it to do like the ball is not doing what i want to do i don't care what it looks like i want the ball to do what i need it to do and and you know you can fake a pretty swing just with some good rhythm and tempo but at the end of the day mechanics are super important but they're just i think they're so misunderstood in terms of you know things that mix well and things that don't mix well and if you're a lead side dominant player and you've got this lead arm in control we don't want to reinvent the wheel and teach you how to use the other side and that's where i kind of went with my research i'm like the facebook group is uh you know i don't know if you're on there or not but what's that yeah i'm on there okay so i'm not on there all the time but i watch a lot of these guys posting their drills and stuff and they're just the lead arm is just they have no control or even a concept of how to really use it correctly and how to get that to work well with their body because they're so right -handed and they just their left hand if you you know if you ask them to cut their steak or feed themselves they'd stab themselves in the eyes and it's that's not about everybody is like that we all have a weak side right so so i really wanted to see like could i get a swing pattern a movement pattern that would be way easier to learn way faster to learn for somebody who's just super right side dominant and that's that was really what i spent the majority of my time on this summer was trying to find all that's why i said i tried you know higher hands and throwing motion totally works you know but that's not the easy a lot of people don't know how to throw and i'm sure you've seen you know like that right i was trying to help you do the stuff you're talking about i was i was showing him like some of this where you're 1000 throwing because i was noticing the same 1001 stuff like i'm posting up and all that 1002 and he gets up there and he's like this 1003 i'm like what the heck what is that i was 1004 like you can't throw a ball i've had 1005 people hit themselves in the foot with 1006 the ball like so you can't rely on that 1007 that throwing motions a lot of people 1008 just don't know that whole sequence but 1009 what i did find was that for people who 1010 are really trail side dominant that i can 1011 get them into a pushing motion with that 1012 trail side of pushing release and have 1013 really really great instant club face 1014 control and stability through the hitting 1015 area and a much longer shallower bottom 1016 of the swing arc all of these great 1017 benefits that i think will help a lot of 1018 people who are naturally just not going 1019 to get the idea of like a you know lead 1020 side pool rhythmical golf swing right and 1021 that's why i mentioned like john rong and 1022 tony finow rory mccleroy these guys are 1023 right side pushers right there it's a 1024 push release to the hitting area and 1025 obviously they play phenomenal golf and 1026 hit ball freaking miles right so i i'm 1027 gonna my plan i'm gonna do a beta test on 1028 the website is to take a group of people 1029 who want to test it and teach them a 1030 right side push movement pattern that's 1031 very very simple and see if they learn 1032 that faster than trying to be a classic 1033 golf swing and see what happens so that's 1034 the stuff that i'm putting out here soon 1035 that's cool i appreciate that you're 1036 still like still going forward in your 1037 research and stuff too that's nice to 1038 have like this new stuff as well you know 1039 i appreciate you a lot for doing that i 1040 appreciate it man it's this has been 1041 honestly like the most trying thing i've 1042 ever done in golf because i've always 1043 been a natural even though my left hand 1044 is completely useless in my life 1045 physically because it's damaged i can't 1046 even this is much like bend my pinky 1047 right now but you know but i've swung the 1048 golf club my whole life it's always been 1049 just like this effortless swing so for me 1050 this summer to to learn how to swing 1051 using my right side to have a push 1052 release was so foreign for me but it came 1053 really quickly once i really started 1054 understanding like the big movement 1055 patterns that allowed it to happen in the 1056 right way like certain things that you do 1057 if you're going to be a left side you 1058 know lead side swing or body driven kind 1059 of person you can't do those things when 1060 you're going right side push they're so 1061 different and that's what i think you're 1062 seeing a lot on on youtube and things 1063 like that these other instructors like 1064 they're taking a golfer and saying well 1065 well this golfer is doing this so that's 1066 the right way to do it and i'm like that 1067 golfer is doing that because it works 1068 with the movement patterns that he's 1069 doing to control the release of the club 1070 and that's really what it comes down to 1071 but they're not exactly teaching the 1072 wrong thing they just don't like the 1073 context of the really it's 100 right like 1074 if you're going to have a push release 1075 there's so many great benefits to it but 1076 having a lot of body rotation 1077 doesn't work you can't pull hard with the 1078 lead side and have a trail side push the 1079 ball is just going to go all over the 1080 place it's very difficult to do that so 1081 this is where i think that opposite and 1082 honestly the only way that i felt to 1083 really understand this stuff was to do it 1084 like there's a lot of guys who like can 1085 look at a golfer and say oh well he's 1086 he's doing this and i think he's using 1087 these muscles and i'm like you don't 1088 really know until you physically do it 1089 and know what it feels like to do that 1090 and experience it and then you can speak 1091 authoritatively and say oh that really is 1092 a left side driven motion or a right side 1093 or right hand the right shoulder left 1094 whatever it is right so that's really 1095 it's it's you know book knowledge versus 1096 experience and that's what i went through 1097 is i had to make myself release the club 1098 in a way that i've never released it in 1099 my life and it was different and it was 1100 strange but at the same point you know 1101 because my left side is so jacked up from 1102 my from my neck injury that for me this 1103 is kind of like oh this may actually be a 1104 lot easier on me personally just because 1105 of the injuries that i've had but more 1106 importantly it's going to help people 1107 learn faster who just are completely 1108 right side dominant yeah hey and i'll 1109 tell you though for real i see like the 1110 200 yard seven iron and like the 121 low 1111 hands i i learn a lot better when i see 1112 like you can do it i'm like hey not only 1113 is he showing us how to do it like you 1114 can do it too that encourages me a lot 1115 more and somebody's just like all right 1116 now do this move and you don't know why 1117 or how it's going to look or anything 1118 like that that i learn a lot better that 1119 way too 1120 well i'm the same way i mean i i look at 1121 a lot of guys who are like on youtube 1122 teachers now become pretty popular and a 1123 lot of the stuff they're saying is like 1124 man you you're you're totally right in 1125 this context 100 right about what you're 1126 saying now you sound really intelligent 1127 let me see you swing and then i watch 1128 them swing and they're like there's no 1129 power in that you're not doing anything 1130 that you said like right like i always 1131 look at it this way like look do you want 1132 you're on an airplane you're at 30 000 1133 feet and your pilot dies and you've got 1134 two options to help land the plane you've 1135 got one guy sitting next to you who's 1136 like a theoretical aerodynamicist who's 1137 written all these books on physics on the 1138 aerodynamics of how airplanes fly but 1139 he's never flown an airplane but he knows 1140 the idea of what keeps that plane in the 1141 air better than anybody then you got 1142 another guy who doesn't know anything 1143 about the physics of aerodynamics but he 1144 but he's landed a plane 3 000 times 1145 because he's the pilot he has 1146 experiential knowledge which one do you 1147 put in the pilot seat 1148 that's a great way of looking at it so 1149 for me i've always been like i don't care 1150 what you say show me what you do prove it 1151 to me and then you can say that way it 1152 works or whatever but just saying it 1153 without actually putting my body through 1154 these things i couldn't understand it 1155 nearly in the way that i do now and so 1156 that to me is a huge difference man 1157 that's awesome hey if you ever come to 1158 oklahoma or something i'll take you out 1159 to play or we can do whatever absolutely 1160 i'd love to yeah hey i appreciate your 1161 time man i'll uh hopefully work on this 1162 maybe in the future i can get a checkup 1163 from here in a few months or something 1164 that'd be great yeah sounds good man i'll 1165 be working on it hey good luck in your 1166 research and stuff too man i appreciate 1167 it i'll talk to you soon pay off man all 1168 right i'll