Casting vs. Throwing - What's the Difference?

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What is the difference between casting the golf club and throwing the golf club? This video answers that question.


All right, So one of the biggest questions I've got that seems to create a ton of confusion is what's the difference between casting the club, you know, like a bad way, and throwing the club or casting it correctly?

That's what we're going to talk about in this video because it's really simple to understand, but I understand that a lot of people have a lot of confusion about it.

So the simplest answer is this.

If you're casting the club, your hands aren't moving fast enough.

That's it.

If you go to the top and you just do this, that's a bad cast.

That's throwing the club away.

And there's zero power in this because you're going to come down like this.

If you go to the top and you start to widen the angle, like I talk about in the goat code videos, your hands are supposed to then move quickly.

That's what I was talking about when I'm talking about how the hands start to create a weightless feel.

Understand that if you were throwing the club at, which if you're going to be trail side dominant, That's exactly what the feeling that you're looking for is that you're going to the top and you are throwing the club from the top instead of going to the top down cocking.

That's another release pattern.

And then trying to get rid of the club really late.

That works too.

In fact, that's probably the most powerful way to release the club, but it also requires the most timing.

And most golfers struggle with timing, obviously.

So if you're going to go to like a huge down cock, you need a stronger grip, and then you've got to learn how to release it properly.

Most golfers don't know how to release the club at all.

So that big down cock, while it's a really powerful way to hit the golf ball, not necessarily the best way to do it.

You see golfers like Dustin Johnson, they do the opposite.

They bow it, and then they have a lot of body rotation.

That's another way to release the club.

There are three basic release patterns.

And then of course, the throw.

The throw that Jack Nicklaus is talking about, that Mike Austin's talking about, like you've seen me talk about in the Goat Co, where I'm showing golfers like Max Homa start to cast the club.

They don't just cast the club and leave their hands up there.

They start to widen the angle so their hands can then move faster.

That's the whole point of this.

So if you don't understand a cast versus a throw, A throw is I'm throwing this and letting my hands move with it instead of doing this and then trying to come through with my body.

That's hand speed.

That's what you're trying to feel in the golf swing is this motion.

But of course, you don't leave your hands up here.

They have to then go with it.

Another question I see all the time or seen a lot recently is, well, I'm looking at Tour Pro's videos and I can't see that they're casting it.

First of all, you can't see it.

I've said this a million times.

If you look, Unless somebody's doing it really exaggerated, like Max Homa was in that video I posted, where Tiger was commenting on how he loves that cast at the top, that's a wedge shot.

He's doing that for control.

So yeah, he's going to widen a little bit more, get the club back out in front of him, control the loft through the hitting area versus trying to dynamically control it.

You get a nice wide, shallow bottom of your swing when you cast the club.

But that's a wedge shot.

You're going to see that a lot more visibly.

What's happening in most golfer swings on a full swing.

And again, I showed with Thorborn Olsen, if you go look at his swing in slow motion, you ain't going to see a cast yet.

I've got his hack motion data.

You can see it.

He's absolutely throwing it.

And it's about five degrees from the top.

The data doesn't lie.

You look at on video, you don't see that five degrees is not only not very much, but the club is also moving away from the camera.

If you're looking at it face on and shallowing out.

So that creates a whole different appearance because watch what happens to my angle here.

I'm going to go to the top.

I'm going to sit here.

And now if I rotate my hands this way, it looks like I lost angle.

My wrist cock is exactly the same, but because I've shallowed out the club, the angle to you looks different, which is why you can't rely on video, which is why we use data tools like the hack motion.

If you really want to see it, you need 3d motion capture because the angle as the club shaft and the angle of the arms, the position of all of this stuff changes.

This is why Sergio Garcia looks like he has so much lag.

He's not really down cocking it.

He's shallowing it out.

So that's why you can't rely just on video, especially from one angle.

If you're going to look at video, you've got to see video from a bunch of different angles, which is what effectively what 3d motion capture is, right?

So if you have lots of different angles, you can start to see this, but again, this movement is subtle.

It's going so fast from the top.

They're throwing it so fast to create speed that it's not something that you're just going to look at and be able to say, Oh, he went to the top and did this.

Although I can show you video where it looks exactly like that.

Tiger Woods back in a US amateur stuff.

I've got a video I'll post it up here real quick while I'm talking about this.

You can see he's hucking that thing from the top.

That's again, How Tiger was releasing it back then, really aggressive from the top to get the club back out in front of him.

So the point is a there are three different ways to release golf club.

At least three different ways.

There's lots of different ways you can do it, but three different ways that you see difficultly different typically really, really good, powerful ball strikers release the club and B you can't see this just on video.

Five degrees is a negligible amount and their hands already moving the club shallowing out.

You can't see it on video.

So the point is more importantly, when you go to throw the club, get your hands moving fast.

They have to move quick.

If they don't move fast, the club can't move fast and then you are just going to have a improper cast of the golf club.

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William
Chuck, when you throw the club properly from the top is one hand dominant or are you throwing with both hands equally?
October 23, 2024
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Chuck
trail hand is dominant, can't throw with the lead hand
October 23, 2024
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Lee
This clears up so much! Very good and very much needed explanation! Thank you!
July 13, 2024
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Chuck
You're welcome Lee!
July 15, 2024
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Andrew
Chuck, Another great video! Here’s a question I’ve been noodling . How should I think about the throw from the top and then the hand rotation that is so prominent in the HackMotion data? Throw and then right away think rotate your hands—ala Rahmbo drill ( I believe you’ve said you really have to start far earlier than most amateurs think in order to have a proper release)? Thanks again for doing these groundbreaking experiments!
April 17, 2024
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Chuck
Video coming out today!
April 17, 2024
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Barbara
Where can I find this video?.?.
May 21, 2024
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Chuck
Hi Barbara, I think you are looking for the throw the clubhead drill. Search "throw" in the search box at the top.
May 21, 2024
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Andrew
Oh Fantastic! Looking forward to it.
April 17, 2024
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Marc
Hey Chuck, This is finally starting to work for me after watching the final lesson you gave. In the lesson you mentioned as a quick next little tip that as you move that left shoulder down and the arms start to lift up on the backswing, once you get a bit passed the halfway point, you need to shift your weight back to the left side while the arms and shoulders keep rotating in the full backswing. I found that by doing this with the correct faster tempo the pros used, I experienced the feel of a lot more power and control in my swing as long as when my arms came thru the hitting zone, I stayed in my posture and let my arms and hands whip thru the hitting area with my head staying behind the ball until after I hit it! Is this the correct feel/motion?
April 16, 2024
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Chuck
Hi Marc, yes you should feel a dynamic stretch very similar to how you'd throw a ball with this pattern and your body should more stabilizing and making room for the arms rather than trying to rotate to generate power - which is where most lose their posture.
April 16, 2024
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Juan Jose
Hi Chuck. Does this arm movement you talk about is somehing similar with Justin Rose drill where he pulls his arms right down? I have been sruggling with over rotating my upper body in the downswing, which leads to an over the top movement, and this "feeling" helps me keep my back to the target longer as well as being able to be more aggressive with my right hand to throw the club. Thanks
April 15, 2024
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Chuck
I'm not familiar with that, but in a simple answer, when throwing with the right the upper body needs to basically not really rotate at all
April 16, 2024
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Manny (Certified RST Instructor)
That is exactly what I was being told during a recent golf tournament. I was driving the ball just as far, sometimes farther with better control, all with not feeling like I was actively rotating my upper body, just throwing the club. Note: I am two years removed from lower back surgery.
June 20, 2024

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