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How to Fix Your Over the Top Move - Live Lesson
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Do you have a steep, over the top golf swing? No matter what you try and do, you can't stop it and get the club to shallow out properly? Here's the way to fix it permanently that you've never heard before! Watch this golf student completely fix his swing plane in real time in this Live Lesson by RotarySwing Founder Chuck Quinton.
all right so let me show you what's going on there it's pretty easy to see so a couple little things that's set up you're just a little too squatted down there's too much knee flex there and you're too far back on your heels which is going to limit the ability to use your legs very well and as you go back the biggest issue is how you're bringing the club down and that is with all right side all right arm you can see a big chicken wing right here so your left arm is totally bent here and your shoulders are really open you're you're just trying to power the whole swing with the right side of your body and so we've got to do a few little things so that you can start to learn how to use your body correctly one we got to get you set up correctly notice can you see my mouse cursor here okay yes so watch as you go back you see how your hips are moving all over the place right moving back and then back forward and then you lose the tush line really severely here and this is all typical uh one the setup issue because your lower body you have way too much knee flex here and you're actually kind of cockeyed you're set up with your shoulders pretty closed or excuse me pretty open yeah and then the hips kind of do a bunch of a bunch of stuff here trying to get back into normal position so you your legs see how much knee flex you've taken out right there from where you were to dress right so these are all tied together now once we get you understanding how to load up the body properly the over the top stuff will start to go away just from the pure fact that you're losing your body but right now if you can't use your core very well then you're always going to have to fire with that right side and you just won't be able to stop it so let me show you what we got to do first the first thing when you're so let me just kind of i'm going to exaggerate some stuff so it's easy to see but when you're set up kind of squatty and open this is why you see your legs kind of you know your hips going back and then back up and as the leg straightens up and so your lower body can't really produce any power it's just kind of moving around really loosey-goosey so what we've got to do first is stand much taller to the legs and hinge from the hip socket and then just have a little bit of knee flex and this will get your spine angle more important and immediately start to engage your hamstrings and your glutes but when you're set up like this you're going to be in really big trouble so you're also a little bit far back on your heels so you have knee flex and and set back on your heels a little bit so if somebody taps you in the chest you fall over pretty easy this way you want to feel that you couldn't be knocked over one way or the other easier somebody pushes you from back you shouldn't be able to fall over somebody pushes you from the front you shouldn't be able to fall over easier it should feel pretty neutral so from here the next big thing is really understanding how to turn how to coil and what you're really trying to do in the swing so what you're doing right now without realizing it is that you're squatting here and then you're kind of loading up this right side and then the whole downswing is this and that's why when i showed you from down the line you kind of look like your elbow is bent out here you have that chicken wing this only happens when you drive from the right side the right arm and the right shoulder so how do we fix that we have to create rotational force rotation when you're turning your body back and turning it through and not using your arms to try and push is what allows you to get extension and width in the swing and free speed and that's what we're going to work on today so once we get you set up properly it's going to feel a little funky at first the next big thing is helping you focus on what you really need to feel in your backswing and what that's going to be is as you go back you're going to feel more this loading because as you start down it's this part of your body that's turning that causes your arms to be brought down if this doesn't turn and especially from here both your hips and your core then your arms are always going to fire you're going to swing from here up and you're going to learn to swing from here down that's the only way to fix what you're doing when you're coming over the top so once you do this and part of this too because you you know if you've been swinging really right side dominant for a while it's really hard to feel when you're doing this at first so we've got to have to do it piece by piece where you really start feeling your arms are doing way way less they're going to feel much more relaxed right from the beginning and so once i get my arms pretty chilled out and i start focusing on is my right hip loaded is my core loaded and my arms can just go to the top and feel pretty soft and loose and then once i start to shift and use my core to turn the club shallows up now if i did anything at all with my right side with my arms at all it will go over the top there's no way around that if i start trying to push like this it will always go over the top but when i shift and pull with this left side of my body the club shallows out and then as i post up and release and we look at it from face on from here pulling pulling now you can see i have a lot more width but i didn't try and move my arms to create width as soon as you do that you'll chicken wing because your arms will swing across the body so the only way to do it and i like to use a something kind of heavy at first like an impact bag because this will keep you from wanting to use your arms a lot because it's just too heavy so this gives you the feeling of having to use your whole body to rotate and keeping your arms straight and then as i turn my body you can see my arms would nice would stay nice and straight feeling something heavy but when we pick up a club it becomes really easy to do this and that's an exaggeration of what you're doing does that make sense yes uh -huh yeah so we're going to get you set up right first then we're going to focus on getting your body to turn and feel a load in a very different spot so we're going to do that without your arms first i want your arms across your chest okay yep stay nice and tall perfect now just add a little come forward a little more you're way too far back on your heels there you go good now as you turn back because you can't use your arms at all i want you to try to feel this more in your belly both in your your left oblique the left side of your rib cage there you go good now use that left side as you shift back to left to pull your rib cage pull your hips around there you go good again good yeah i can feel i can feel here you feel the left side a lot more than you're used to oh yeah a lot i feel like i'm more on my toes too yeah so understand your weight needs to be between the center of your ankle up to the back of the ball of the foot the middle of your foot is where your now do the exact same thing put your left arm out in front of you and just let your left arm get moved by your belly as you turn your hips as you turn your arm's just going to go along for the ride okay so you picked your arm up there here's what you did you went back you started to turn and you did this okay as you're turning your arm's going to feel much shallower you need it to let it to move you're adding too much elevation so you're activating your shoulder and then that's going to make you also want to come over the top so you got to keep your arm nice and relaxed and let it swing more still too much elevation let the arm swing around a little bit more good now go to the top and stop now it's still focused make sure you're staying nice and tall through your legs get your weight more forward there you go good yeah now bring your right arm up to help support the left there you go okay let your arms come a little bit deeper there you go no more than that right there now relax your arms forget about your arms arms and just use that left side to pull you back down again so we'll go left arm only let that left arm rotate more rotation there you go there you go good now left side keep going keep turning you know no no to impact so it's about now at address you still have a tendency to kind of want to get back on your heels a little bit capture here but make sure you stand nice and tall but your hips are doing better here now as you come down if your arms are relaxed and you're not pushing from the right side the shoulders are going to hang back a little bit and you're going to turn from your obliques and end up with the shoulders square which right there the shoulders are nice and square so we should be pretty close there now you're still trying to push from that right side a little bit there but we're getting there so now let's take the club and do the same thing but with the club upside down and left arm only come all the way down to impact but use your body your hip turn and your obliques to bring your body down to impact okay almost all right we'll take a quick look now we've got a swing plane to work with so now setup's a lot better you say you've taken a lot of knee flex out of there right yes even though you probably feel kind of off balance compared to what you're used to because you were sitting so far back on your heels it just feels really different you can see you don't look like you're off balance at all right so setup's a lot better pretty close you've still got a lot of tension in your wrist there you're kind of actually trying to cup the wrist and arms a little tight but we're getting there you've got to let your upper left arm this part right here rotate more you're trying to do it too much from just your wrist you have to let your whole arm at the shoulder socket rotate to help set the club on plane that would be you know if we let the left upper left arm rotate a little bit better and we you know had a little speed and momentum to this our arms your arm would go up just a little bit further be a little bit higher and it'd be just about perfect so when you're drilling this is pretty good so you're still trying to turn your head and shoulders there so you're looking way out here yeah wherever your head goes your shoulders are going to go and that's going to encourage you to come over the top even more so you can't turn your head to look way out here because you're going to really struggle with coming over the top as you do that okay this is definitely better we're a much better plane but we've got to get our head back and let our hips turn or not from the right side so we're close let me show you all right so as you start first of all as you're going back you know you want you tend to keep this part of your arm really close to your chest and then you just kind of have to do this and that's why your arm looks kind of bent at the top as you turn back and you're loading up this part of your arm has to rotate and that's what allows the club and arm to swing up more freely instead of having it down stuck to your chest it's got to come away a little bit so then from there if i just keep this back and i don't try to you know you turn your head that's going to turn your shoulders you don't try and turn your shoulders you turn your core and then as you do that you'll see that your shoulders stay back and nice and square and then the club releases but if you try and look out here and turn you're still going to turn your shoulders as soon as your shoulders turn that's going to bring you over the top so what you're going to start practicing nice and tall in the dress let the upper left arm swing away from the chest and rotate here and then as you start down you're just going to keep looking back here not out here because that's going to turn your shoulders shoulders relaxed but you're going to shift your weight turn your belly and now you can see that i can actually get my shoulders very closed at impact right but versus this so you're going to exaggerate that left arm only first turn from here keep your chest and head looking back at the camera all come forward a little bit good now let your upper left arm rotate as you go back there better now your left wrist is really cupped there make sure your left side feels loaded up now keep your chest and head looking back at the camera and just use your hips and core to bring the club down yeah do it again nice again keep your head and chest back perfect all right let's take a look your arm is still swinging a lot you don't realize it and you know how i know if you didn't move your arms at all during the takeaway right here where my mouse cursor is your arm would not move past that line and i'll demonstrate this in just a moment but watch see how your left arm is swinging way out past my mouse cursor right that's just way too active with your arm way too active so now the arms are taking over a little bit but we're close there we just got to turn better we have to focus on turning more and swinging the arms less but now as you focus on just turning them your core instead of your shoulders and your head watch what happens to the club see that yeah right through the forearms perfect yeah shoulders are closed but look at your hips right square right so way better now the club would drop too far to the inside okay let's look at the second one yeah so very you're super overactive with your wrists super overactive your club's super flat here yeah i'm trying to add way too much rotation in your hand your hand is doing way way way too much but we'll get there but now look how the club shallows out right huge difference yeah perfect okay almost perfect right yeah so we're almost there so we're going to do a couple little things so first i was talking about that little plane i put my mouse cursor right here on your forearm imagine that somebody was holding i actually do this with my students a lot i'll put my club hold a club like this and so that they turn and they can't let their arm you know the club's keeping it from going out right right now yours is doing this all right all right if i just turn my body and my core my hand's always going to go right to the inside and then go back here but you're trying to do this trying to turn that upper arm i think yeah you try to do it too much it's just going to be a lot more natural so as i turn back it's my bot my arms never going out away from me like this i'm just turning and it's a little bit of rotation okay now from there all i have to do keep everything relaxed with my arms and shoulders keep them looking back at the camera and just use my legs and my oblique to bring the club down and then my arms just get swung but if my arms are tight my shoulders are tight because i start doing something active with them right away then they're always going to take over they're going to be the you know they're going to fire right away but you can see when you replace that arm swing and that arm movement with core movement the club shallowed out immediately right and that's the whole key to the swing that's why you're coming over the top and this is exactly how you fix it so now when you start going to add speed to this that speed your your brain is going to want to go back to arms right and if you start swinging those arms right off the ball and trying to get active with it then they're going to get tense first and then we're in trouble we can't recover from that because our brain is going to sense all that tension and it's going to want to unload it so you're going to have to start really focusing on using from here to here is what's got to be tight as you go back this is coiled so that as i start down i can move quickly with my legs and hips and core my shoulders aren't doing anything from here up is in a coma from here down it's working a lot so that's what i want you to feel first let's get the arm fixed a little bit so we're not taking that left arm out away from us so much can you tilt the camera down so nice and relaxed with the arm the arm should not move out away from your body just turn your body coil up better there you go better good again good all right let's take a look and see where we're at we're really really close there setup looks good much better yeah now i'm gonna put my mouse cursor right on your forearm see how much better that is yeah yeah it felt like i was going way inside exactly that's why we can't rely on feel right yeah but you can see your arms going straight down the line it's perfect yeah now the club's actually on plane earlier it was really flat when you added a lot of that left arm rotation now we're golden now you've still got this little left wrist cup thing you've got to monkey around with that a little bit you're still wanting to get it trying to hold on to that club and cup that wrist the wrist needs to be nice and flat if it was flat we'd be golden right here perfect close through the shoulder through the bicep through the forearm it's right on plane perfect okay so that's it so now you're going to have to start feeling in order to do this at speed right that's the trick because right now your brain is used to creating speed with your arms right now that speed has to come from your body has to come from your legs your your hips your core so that's what you're going to start working on as you slowly start building up to getting used to speed you've got to keep your arms nice and relaxed as you said it feels like it's going inside when it's actually staying perfect but don't rely on feel because you'll say oh if it feels like my arms going inside that's good the next thing you know it will be going inside right so just watch it as you did it perfect it should look like during that first part of the takeaway as you're turning back and adding just the slightest amount of elevation the arm looks like it's the illusion of it's just going straight down the line but obviously you're turning so it's going inside while it's elevated but it's a small amount but what you did was perfect so now you're turning turning coiling loading up your legs loading up your glutes loading up your core and then you're going to use that to bring you down and then as you do that you're going to post up left leg is going to be straight you're going to post up and then your arms are going to essentially get flung through the ball instead of you trying to push them through the ball does that make sense yes so you want to imagine that you're kind of trying to use your body to fling your arms is kind of a simple way of thinking about it but your body has to move fast it has to be loaded up in the backswing in order to move fast so as you're going back you want to feel this part really loaded up and then use it to release and that's where the speed is going to come from with your arms that actually the softer you keep them the faster your body can move them okay and keep the club on plane so that's going to be the big transition is getting speed from here your hips and your core are going to move much quicker and your shoulders have to move much slower all right so let's try good clubs inside there perfect better much better with the wrist much better you got to use the right arm that's okay we're getting there nice get that left leg really posted up on it so i want you as you're starting down you're going to feel a lot of weight on it and you're going to really drive up push that foot into the relax that right shoulder let the uh let the arms be flung off the chest let's take a quick look at that one we're still turning our shoulders a little bit too much you're turning your head yeah i realized that after i got done i gotta work on that yeah that's just a bad habit but let's take a quick look at it unless i think about it i can't stop it yeah i just have too many things to think about we gotta pick them one by one left wrist looks a lot better there still a little bit of covering but we're close there but that left arm needs your left arm you're still getting most of your rotation from your wrist you're getting it from here and not enough from here okay so just something you're going to work on you're really going to feel that that left arm is going to rotate and come away from the body just a hair but it's really close do i try to think about rotating my elbow instead yeah you can think about your elbow exactly pretty good there yeah just looking out to the left a little bit but close that left leg just needs to be posted up on a little bit more aggressively but we're really close there and the other thing i want to point out so i'm gonna put my mouse cursor on your tush line you remember it was moving way back behind it and then you lost your posture coming down right right on the money now look yeah wow so now as you're maintaining as you learn to move from that left side of your body your left leg your left hip your left oblique that's what causes you to actually increase your spine angle and maintain that tush line in fact you've actually moved past your original tush line right which is obviously not normal when you start losing that tush line you're always moving too much from the right side incorrectly so now we've got posture everything's looking great here we just got to get aggressive with our with our hip our core turn our hip turn to really post up on that and turn it with some speed but otherwise this is fantastic and then you just need to keep working on your head not looking out there like you want to get in the habit of kind of looking back behind you just as an over exaggeration at first so you keep maintaining all this stuff but you can see that just by making a handful of little changes right they're all related at first when you're too far back on your heels no i don't care how you know what your intentions are if you're back here like this and your body starts to turn your hips have to move into the ball so now you can see that you're maintaining your tush line even though you feel a little bit different in terms of weight your weight is going to be between the center ankle and the back of the ball of the foot so this middle part of your foot that's where weight needs to be a setup because your weight has to move back right if you're already back on your heel it can't go anywhere else so then you kind of start trying to do some weird compensations with your hips and then our hips can't load properly so now you're in good posture as you turn back you're going to start focusing on loading your hips your glutes your hamstrings your core everything from here down so that you can then use that to post up so you're going to start focusing more as you start down the muscles that you feel that you're really loaded up on going back really in your core that's what's going to move and then you're off you're going to get really aggressive with contracting those glutes because that's what's going to turn your pelvis and post up and once you post up and your hips stop turning that's when the arms get flung off the chest does that make sense yeah so the whole thing again comes down to just moving from your core chilling out the arms and then watch these little things like i said you know if you're feeling like your elbows turning a little bit more than your wrist doesn't have to do so this is pretty hard to control you know these are small small muscles small bones so we want to do everything with bigger muscles so as you go back yes this elbow is going to turn a little bit this is going to turn less it'll be easier for it to stay flat for you and then this for right now totally just along for the ride for you okay back as you start down start moving your core you saw the club shell out maintain the tush line it's all good so any questions i do feel i still feel a little tension in the upper body but i guess over time i'll be able to eliminate that but it's going to be something you're going to have to consciously think about at first like pay attention to your setup a lot of times you know people kind of get their shoulders elevated they squeeze their arms together and they don't realize it and they look like this setup and their shoulders look really narrow and their track is really elevated it's really easy to do shrug them depress them keep them nice and relaxed and down then if they're if they're elevated like this there's already tension there so then you don't use them right so just check that's a really simple check to just make sure your shoulders are nice and relaxed and neutral and then your arms have just got to stay more neutral you're going to start partly you'll you probably noticed this as you were standing taller through your legs and hinging more from the hip you probably feel a little bit more in your glutes and hamstrings back behind you right when you're set up versus if you're like this you tend to feel it more in your quads so that is going to be where you start paying attention to where you have healthy tension and then your shoulders have just got to relax everything from here up has got to be more or less along for the ride yeah because the more i when i do i got a golf net in the back the more i practice the more i can feel my knee getting strained which knee left knee i'm coming through yeah so what you were doing before was all right side push and so when that happens this knee is just getting beat up now as you're starting to shift your weight over there and move from here you're going to feel that that left leg is really getting moved by your hips versus you driving into it and then you know your foot trying to scramble around for balance all that stuff will change because you're starting to move from your core that's where your movement needs to emanate from so be comfortable with that it's it's going to change everything in your swing because you're going from a body driven swing you know an arm driven swing go body driven swing and so they're very different so a lot of things are going to change but you did an amazing job you maintain the social line maintain your spine angle kept your shoulders back drop the club down on plane i mean that's it's perfect now it's just a matter of learning to do that at speed okay one last unrelated question um what what uh flex shaft would you use stiff um regular or you're asking for me or for you me well for you right now you can't really do you can't really think about shaft flex you can't think about getting fitted you can't worry about any of that stuff until you learn how to use your body correctly because it's what matters most is how you load that shaft yeah and when you start swinging right side right arm you put a lot of stress in the shaft early and believe it or not when you do that you tend to want to play with a stiffer shaft even if your swing speed is slower that's exactly me yeah yeah exactly so you put a lot of stress and you want to avoid that because that stress on the shaft is happening too soon and it's happening at the wrong angle so you know the shaft it bends on one plane it bends on a much bunch of different planes that's moving throughout the downswing so as that's happening then you need a shaft with lower torque and a stiffer shaft as you get more comfortable moving from your body and you're not loading that shaft so aggressively early in the swing you can actually play softer shaft but that starts you know once you have your core movements down then you start worrying about getting a clubbed in shaft that's going to feel and perform right for you yeah because i did get a new driver and they uh i hit the ball 20 yards further with an extra stiff shaft and the stiff shaft and the guy said you shouldn't be doing that with your swing speed so that explains most of these guys who fit clubs have no idea what they're doing you can not fit based on clubhead speed clubhead speed in some degrees is completely irrelevant it's how you load and stress that shaft maintain the load on that shaft that matters more than anything and when people are right side they load it really early and you do need a really stiff shaft but as you get more comfortable you could go to a softer shaft for sure i mean it just depends but uh long story short like for me personally i just use stiff shafts in my irons nothing special they're kbs tours obviously i swing very very fast with my irons but i load the shaft very gradually so i don't need like a super stiff super low torque shaft i want something that feels better in my hands but at the same point for my driver because it's graphite and it's totally different set of animals and there's no standardization either you know extra stiff for one company is a you know a stiff and another and all of that stuff so don't get too hung up on that it really means nothing but at the end of the day i do use a stiffer shaft in my driver i so i use a double x flex in my driver or no just x step x extra stiff now but again i do have a high speed but i also still load that shaft gradually and i just want something more for feel and control and i'm looking with the driver i hit down on the ball a little bit just for control so a little bit of an active tip helps me get the ball up in the air and increases my spin rate a little bit but now you're starting to get into the nuances right but as you fix your swing that's when you start looking at you know getting the clubs it'll feel a million times better because when your arms are really tight and you start loading that shaft early in the swing when you play with the soft shaft it feels like out of control you just don't know what it's doing but you can start once you start relaxing your arms and hands you can truly feel what that shaft is doing you can feel where the bend point is you can feel if it's more in the middle part of the shaft or more in the butt or what have you but right now when you're just kind of hucking the club from the top you can't get that sense of feel and so it's really difficult to fit somebody like that unless you're just band-aiding everything okay all right great i appreciate it you bet so keep up the good work watch what you did obviously keep a copy of this lesson because everything that you really need to focus on is it's all right here so keep reviewing it video yourself and keep working at it you're looking great great thanks chuck i appreciate it you bet buddy take care
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