Q-n-A Webinar 5: June 4

Q-n-A with Craig Morrow, fifth webinar, June 4th 2025

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All right, how's the audio now?

Is it coming through?

It didn't look like it was on my end.

All right, perfect.

Thanks, Mark.

This system's a little bit finicky when it comes to the audio.

So that's why I always got to check because I was sitting here looking at the screen and nothing was popping up except me talking to myself.

So hello, everyone.

Hello, Doc.

Steve, Dennis, welcome again to, what is this, session five, I think, of Q &A, month of June, Wednesday at 7 p .

m.

Eastern, still your same host, humble RST instructor, Craig Morrow here.

I hope everybody's doing well this evening.

Hello, David.

All right, Michael.

Great.

I'm glad that I'm actually here right now because other than it being a long day, if anybody's ever lived in Atlanta, I had a human lesson and human lessons is what I call in-person lessons instead of online.

Rain, 75, accident.

I got this set up in about 45 seconds.

uh so i'm i'm glad i'm still a little frazzled trying to get here but i made it i made it mark nice shirt thank you thank you that's the second time i've heard that today i've had this shirt forever uh somebody today said hey i like the color of your shirt so thank you for that as usual um i'm going to let everybody kind of pile in and uh when everybody does we'll get started I didn't have any chance to even look at these questions.

I hit print, got them, and so we'll see what we got in store tonight.

Thank you, James.

I appreciate that.

I got a couple pictures around here.

I've got those over here, which is just some shots that a patient gave my father.

And then I've got Hogan over here.

I've got a print right here from the 97 PGA Tour event in New York of Tiger.

Actually, you might even be able to see it.

It's actually pretty cool.

Let's see if I can get that on camera right here.

See, it's an old school.

Got that lamp in there.

It's an old school sequence of Tiger, and that was from 97.

I don't know if y 'all have ever heard of the artist Anthony Ravelli, but he did a lot of.

you know hogan's art and his book and a couple things and when i was in long island for a little bit uh he actually had a he got a book made a nice little dedication into it and i've got a lot of his old uh illustrations like if you think like the five fundamentals you know the pictures like of the grip and the drawings and all that i've got a lot of old prints of his which are really fantastic i was lucky enough to Have them give me a couple of those.

All right.

Hey, Joey.

Larry, can you talk about how to hit a draw and fade?

I will.

I'm going to leave that to the maestro, but I'm going to tell you my two cents on it because I remember you asking that last time.

I said I'd get back to you.

I have an autographed picture with daily tickets from his victory at Bethpage.

Oh, cool.

Cool.

Yeah, I've got a lot of neat stuff.

I've got more in my other office, but I've got a lot of old memorabilia from a lot of tournaments.

So I hope everybody's doing well.

I hope everybody's still enjoying the sessions.

I think what I'm going to do this evening is just the same, is kind of go through the ones that I have on the list right here.

and then kind of leave it a little bit open format at the end.

I had a couple of students that were like, I really like that because it's just given me just one extra second with you to clarify things.

So I think I'm going to stick with that format unless I hear otherwise.

And for some reason, I guess people are listening to me on this Q &A session because they're like, hey, I watched your Q &A and I was doing this.

And I'm like, all right, well, take my information with a grain of salt sometimes.

All right, Steve, I'm really starting to see some real results, getting a nice callus in the middle right finger.

Thank you guys so much.

No problem.

Awesome.

That's why you can see that wrap of tape from the big dog.

I'll give this about one more minute, and then I'll get going now that my heart and my blood pressure isn't as high as it was about 10 minutes ago.

So I got to stay away from the caffeine during this session.

Let's see.

Looks like it's kind of winding down a little bit.

All right.

Jim, that might be on the question list for today.

It'd be great if you could pinpoint the lateral movement on the back and downswing via GOAT code.

That might be today.

Just remember, if you have any questions, put it on that community.

If you literally look at the community on that sheet.

I'm literally going just question by question.

You post it, it gets on the list, and I go to the next one.

So with that being said, welcome back to session five.

Let's get cooking as they say.

Now, last week, I wrote a little note right here.

uh to start right here because i skipped the question to kind of talk about the uphill downhill why things of that nature so i put myself a little note like hey go back and start here so if you have time chuck talks about how his swing will help with back issues which i really appreciate and that's definitely one thing that rotary prides themselves on is we want to keep you safe There's so many preventable injuries in golf.

It's absolutely insane how many people get hurt swinging this stick.

And it's completely preventable.

I also have a chronic right shoulder problem, soreness after hitting balls just below the right shoulder blade.

So I'm assuming for this student that right here at the base of the triangle, they're getting a little bit of soreness right here at the end of the shoulder blade.

I assume it will help.

It should, and I'll talk to you about that.

I think sometimes I don't take as big a divot due to this issue.

Is a divot even necessary in the swing?

Is a divot necessary?

Not at all.

I don't know if anybody watches social media or some clips.

Scotty famously asked Tiger, how come you never take a divot?

And his response back was, why should I take a divot?

And he replied, he's like, I don't know.

You tell me.

That's why I asked you.

And Tiger said, when I'm hitting it well, I don't take a divot.

And it reminds me of a story.

I can't think of the guy's name.

Darren Clark.

Darren Clark said this on the Golf Channel a long, long time ago, that the most impressive ball striking he's ever seen is when he was at the British Open and he literally watched Tiger hit every single range ball flush.

and never did anything but dent the turf and so the taking a divot is has always been the classic oh well if you want to get compression on the ball you got to take this big old kind of beaver pelt divot a divot is a mark of getting good compression there a divot is completely unnecessary you don't have that doesn't yield or make any more compression i mean you know when you start thinking about spin loft and a couple other factors but mainly that one that's going to be what really breaks down whether you're getting compression or not so don't think that you need to take a divot you should be able to get on your carpet hardwoods maybe depending on you know your wife or husband but you should be able to get on a piece of carpet and just glide through here like it's nothing just a nice little skim there's no need to take that big old gouging divot.

It doesn't really do anything for striking, but I want to comment a little bit on this right shoulder blade soreness.

Now, there's two times that I mainly see where people get the shoulder blade issue.

Number one, it's what I call shoulder blade wrenching, and it's in the backswing.

And so if you remember our old shoulder blade glide video, and we talk about how the blade, this scapula right here moves down and in.

Two inches right there.

A lot of players took that and ran with it too much and they overcooked it too soon.

All right.

And so what they started doing is they started making their takeaways and they're like, I got to get this turn.

And they would take this blade and move it as far and down and tight in as they could as fast as possible.

And when you do that one, it's going to kill your backswing turn.

So you're going to have to do something to get a little bit more turn.

The second thing is.

is it really puts a lot of tightness in that kind of the lower fibers of the lat right there and in the rhomboid area so there's no need to take this blade and shove it into your spine as fast as possible it's only going to wreck your golf swing and it can cause pain now since the question pertained to divots what i'm thinking is that with the right shoulder soreness coming down is just pushing with this And so sometimes you can start pushing with this and you may not take a big old over the top kind of gouging divot.

But if you're taking your right shoulder and you're driving it in the downswing, that's the worst thing you can do.

If you play off of a lot of mats, or let's say you practice off a lot of mats.

I don't know if you play off mats, but if you practice on mats.

We get reports of people that sometimes get tennis elbow when they're playing golf or sometimes having a lot of pain in their shoulder area.

And all that's coming from, I got 23 anchors in my shoulder, so I'm okay right now.

All that's coming from is taking.

the shoulder and diving down like this.

That's going to send that jarring motion up through your arm.

It's going to cause a lot of tendinitis in your elbow.

It's going to tend to hurt your wrist, but also your shoulder right there because you're just driving it down in the ground.

It's part of the reason why I have all these anchors in my trail shoulders because I was taught at one point to get to the top and what I needed to do was take my trail shoulder and cover the ball with it coming down.

Now I'm not going to call any instructors out on that one, but It's part of the reason why my labrum and my rotator cuff was fried because I was taught to push as hard as I could with that.

That couldn't be any further from the truth.

You don't have to use your shoulders at all in the downswing.

So the two things, if you're having pain there, one, the shoulder blade doesn't move like that in the backswing, especially if you watch the goat backswing video, it actually kind of moves up a little bit.

Second thing is it's just because you're driving this way.

That's the only thing that's really going to cause a lot of issues there.

Good question, though.

So the second kind of follow-up question with that.

Here you go, Larry.

I'm regularly faced with situations when I need to shape the ball.

Draw, fade, high, low.

Can you show how to play these shots?

Okay.

Now, as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to leave some of these things to the maestro.

All right.

Because.

The goat code is all about following the goat.

And if you go search and read what he says and what he's talked about with shot shaping, I did this a couple years ago.

He's got some mixed signals.

And Tiger does do a lot by feel, as he talks about all the time.

He's kind of feeling what he does with his trail arm.

I'm going to give you three different ways to think about this.

All right, so let's kind of take the draw and fade, and I'm going to base this on what he says, an easy way to do it that will work, and also another way, if you get really advanced, how you can maneuver the ball.

So Tiger talks about this first.

He says that when he's trying to hit a draw, there's two things that he's trying to achieve.

The first thing is that he drops back, and this is for right-handed players, so flip it if you're lefty.

So he takes his trail foot.

and drops his trail foot back that's first is going to start to ensure a little bit more of an inside out path now 85 of initial ball flight is due to clubface angle okay it's not the old 50 50 rule that some people think it is 85 of it's the clubface angle But you still need to try to make sure that your path is erring a little bit more right to left if you want to hit a draw.

So Tiger says what he does is he takes his trail foot and he drops his trail foot back a little bit close to his lead foot right here.

And then he takes the face and he opens it about a degree or two.

Because he wants to ensure that as he's swinging on this path, that the ball starts out to the right.

and curves back to the left.

So we've got an inside path right here, keeping the release and everything the same, but the face being open a little bit of a degree to ensure the fact that the ball starts out towards the right.

And I think that's where a lot of players kind of mess up when it comes to kind of shaping the ball is they delete the initial, where is this ball starting?

And they try to get the shape of it.

But they forget, okay, well, if I'm aiming here and I'm hitting a draw, well, that's finishing over here.

You're trying to use the draw to bring it into the pin.

So typically it's going to kind of start a little bit right at target to get yourself to do that.

So when Tiger's hitting a draw, that's how he talks about how he maneuvers it is he drops his trail foot back, he opens the face a slight bit degree, and he really makes sure that he swings a little bit more along that body line, making sure that he releases the club to get it to start to the right, come back to the left.

Now, conversely, it's the same thing for when he's trying to hit a fade, except for he puts a little bit more feel into this.

And so when he's setting up for a fade, what he's going to tend to do is he's going to tend to open just the tiniest bit, and then he's going to actually close the face.

I know you're saying, Craig, he's closing the face trying to hit a fade.

Same principle.

He's going to take the face and he's going to close it down a degree or two because he wants to ensure that that ball starting to the left and moving back to the right as he's kind of swinging just a little bit more along his body line.

Now, Tiger does a lot of things by feel, and obviously he's hit an immense amount of golf balls, so he knows where his club is and he knows everything that's going on.

What I would err towards if that's something that you struggle with, here's option number two, is that when you're trying to maneuver the golf ball, just kind of starting out, one thing that drove me crazy kind of growing up is that players, they get their body line right here and get the club over here, but they're trying to hit it this way.

So they're trying to hit it at the center of the mirror right here, and everything's moving over here towards the right.

Now, just as I mentioned earlier with the club face and initial ball flight, how I've always done it in the early years, and we'll get to the third one, is I've always taken where I'm going to get my club pointed towards my target.

I don't want to aim offline and hope it comes back if I don't pull off the perfect shot.

So I tend to take my club and get my line on the direction of the pin.

And once I have that, this is going to be where I start to kind of finagle around my setup.

If I'm going to air just a little bit more open right here to hit a cut, or I'm going to close it down, but I don't like, and that's why I'm saying this because Tiger changes his face a little bit.

I get a little wary when players start aiming the club off the golf or off their target because you're trying, if you're trying to maneuver the golf ball, you're trying to work it into a position.

And if you, let's say you want to hit the draw and you get your club face, all right, I'm going to aim at the right side of the green.

My feet are aimed at the right side of the green and the pins over here.

Well, you better hope that when you come down.

that you get that club face closing enough to get it starting back on line because what may happen is you either A, hit the dreaded straight ball, or you do hit a pure draw, but it doesn't have enough on it because you're aimed 15 yards right of the green.

You want to use the shot shaping to kind of feed it in there, keeping it a little bit more on its line than starting it way off line.

Now the third thing.

And I swing from a lead side perspective.

So if you think C4, if you get really advanced and you get really good at repeating your release and repeating your swing, oddly enough, I don't really change anything to maneuver my golf ball.

The only thing I really change is the rate of my rotation with my chest.

What do I mean by that?

Well, when I'm trying to hit a cut, I don't really change a whole bunch with my feet.

I don't really change a whole bunch with my face.

I make my same swing, and I let my chest open up a little bit more through the shot, which is going to delay the face a little bit to give me a little bit of a cut on it because I still want to release the club.

I think players, especially when they're trying to hit the cut, they don't realize you still want to release it.

What's the point of hitting a cut if, let's say, it's a seven-iron shot?

Well, Craig, I can just get up here and I can hold off on it and hit a cut all day long.

Yeah, but now you're knocking 30 yards of it and you're having to go from your seven iron to your five iron.

You're kind of taking away the disadvantage or the advantage that you have of being able to maneuver the golf ball.

So for me, when I'm trying to do something, I really don't even have to change that much unless it's on a severe degree, like you go around a tree.

And so for me, I'm able to have the feel.

that I can allow my chest to open up a little bit more through the golf ball, which is going to delay the club.

And conversely, the same thing for a draw.

If I want to hit a draw, as I start to come down, I feel my chest staying closed for longer.

Because if my chest stays closed, this club is going to come in here and release a little bit sooner.

That's a third way of doing it.

So maneuvering and changing ball flight, especially draw and fade, there's a hundred different ways to do it.

There's a hundred different ways that people teach how to do it.

Tiger changes his stance and ensures the starting line by changing a tiny bit of his face.

For a draw, slightly open, dropping the right foot back, converse for the fade.

The old one that I used to work on.

was getting the club right at my target, setting up my body line so I can still swing and release down my body line.

Nothing really changes, but the ball starts primarily pretty much on target.

And then if you get really advanced, then you can actually start to change the rate of rotation with your chest because you still want to release the club at the end of the day.

And you can get your chest a little bit more open through, which will delay it, or you can let it stay a little bit more closed, which will cause that release to happen on the sooner side.

Now, in that question, there was also a little bit of high and low.

Well, low is also the same kind of issue.

For a low shot, all you're really going to do is you're going to take that ball center or even move it a little bit back of center right here.

And the main thing that you're trying to do is the feel, just even kind of like with the wedge shots, is to feel your chest and your lateral motion staying out ahead of the golf ball, which is going to delay this release.

Watch any of our videos on social media.

Chuck talks all the time about how when Tiger's up here towards the top, he's got a really good lateral motion to the lead side so that as he moves down, he doesn't run out of right arm.

Well, the more I keep moving this way, the more I can keep that face delofted.

And even if you combine that with just a little bit more of an open chest this way, it's kind of you can hit a little bit of a squeeze fade.

So with the ball flight, with the low.

Move it just a tiny bit back in the stance, and all you're trying to do is really kind of maintain on that lateral motion and maintain that extension in that wrist as you work into this position because that's going to really deal off the club.

And with high, that one's kind of a little bit easier because you really don't have to do anything with your ball position, and you want to be careful.

I think I see this a lot for players when they're trying to hit it high.

They get the ball way up here, and they try to lift it up.

It's very natural to do that.

But what ends up happening is they try to lift it up, and they end up bottoming out back here, and they kind of get that drop kick lift.

There's no need if you need to fly the ball a little bit higher to move the ball in any crazy positions.

You can kind of keep it in the same.

And what do we need to do down here?

The only thing that needs to happen, if you've been working on the release and what we've been talking about, the only thing that needs to happen is this release has to happen a little bit sooner.

Getting back into extension, it's going to be adding loft as I come through.

So as I'm trying to hit it high right here and I'm working down, all I'm trying to do is ensure that my trail wrist is working a little bit more under and releasing a little bit sooner so I can get this wrist to work back into extension to add some height to it.

Can you show how to play these shots?

Would you supinate in a fairway bunker?

or focus on controlled body movements only to ensure clean contact well in a fairway bunker you definitely want to make sure that you have clean contact would you supinate yeah you're still going to come in a little bit shallow i don't want you to get into a fairway bunker and think like okay i've got to make a radically different swing right now or i got to get up here and i've got to have this big steep angle of attack And so you don't want to have a big, steep angle of attack.

And a fairway bunker, how I've taught most of my players, is this.

You're still going to supinate, but you don't need to try to force this big, shallowing motion.

One, whatever your situation is, take one more club.

So if it's a seven iron, take a six iron.

The reason I say take a six iron is because I'm going to need you to choke down on it.

I don't want you making this big, long, kind of gangly, powerful swing because I really don't want you moving all over the place.

Right now, we need to focus a little bit more on stability and getting this ball out.

So in a fairway bunker, it's going to typically be where I'm going to choke down just a little bit more.

I'm going to play my ball center or maybe even slightly back because I want to make sure I have that ball first contact.

I'm not going to try to come steeper.

or come a little bit more shallow i'm just going to make my normal golf swing and if i move this ball back a little bit right here i'm going to more than likely catch the ball first so i'm going to take one more club i'm going to typically choke down and i'm going to keep it a little bit more into kind of a three-quarter length swing because i don't want to make this big full turn and have this big post up where now i may lose a little bit of my feet as i'm trying to pull some leverage from the ground and i start to slide I'm also not going to have this big kind of wide old stance.

I think that's a misnomer that players have been taught in the past is like get in a fairway bunker and get that stability because you don't want to be moving anywhere.

Well, to me, that still doesn't feel natural.

I'm going to make a little bit more of my normal stance.

I'm going to dig in just enough to where I feel solid.

I don't want to lower too much, just enough where I feel my feet are going to be okay.

I'm going to play the ball center.

or just slight bit further back, I'm going to choke down on the club.

I'm going to typically take one more going from a seven to a six iron, and I'm going to focus on a nice controlled three-quarter motion and let that kind of get the ball out for me because not that a fairway bunker is a big -time hazard or anything like that.

Are we back?

That was weird.

All right.

My apologies.

That was different.

See, this is why we do all the audio tests.

Where did I leave off?

Anybody know the last thing that you heard?

Yes, you know the last thing that I heard.

Three-quarter swing.

Okay.

So I'm going to make a little bit more of a three-quarter controlled swing because my whole goal is to get this puppy out of the bunker, and I don't want to shoot myself in the foot or compound the mistake.

It's okay to make bogeys.

It's okay.

Get it out of the fairway bunker.

Even if you don't catch it, make sure it gets out.

Even if you're 20 yards short and there's no trouble right there, pitch it up, maybe make par, maybe make bogey.

Don't walk away with an eight.

It's something that I see players all the time do that drives me absolutely nuts when they're trying to play and they're trying to score.

The goal is to score as well as you can.

Get out of the trouble.

Get out of the hazard.

You don't need to hit any type of miraculous shot.

So just in case for the camera, ball center, slightly back, choke up, take one more club.

Three-quarter controlled, nothing crazy with the stance, nothing crazy with the swing.

Same old standard swing.

You'll catch it a little bit sooner.

All right.

On to the next.

I feel that my weight gets stuck forward on the downswing, and I don't release the club properly because it feels cramped, and I chicken wing.

The ball starts on the correct path and then continues right.

So you're probably, as you're getting that, you're probably getting the face square because as you're pushing through here with your trail hand a little bit too much, you're probably getting the face square.

But if you feel like your weight's getting stuck or too forward on the downswing, what do you think's causing that?

Now, yes, as we move through our cycle right here and I use my core and I coil up into here and I get my pressure, I want that to be snappy.

As soon as I get my pressure back, I want to start getting my hip.

I don't have time to sit here and kind of be lazy.

I'm never going to get posted up in time.

That's why as soon as I feel like I get my pressure and I get that lateral motion back, I'm going.

I'm getting this hip out of the way.

But think about all the errors and things and problems that can happen in the golf swing.

If your weight is getting stuck forward, you're cramped and you're chicken winging.

What are you probably doing?

If you're up here at the top, what do you think you're just pushing?

I used to tell people in the clinic when we were doing lead side, if I asked them what they needed to do in the swing, that if they fell asleep during the class and all they said was pull when I asked them a question, they'd more than likely be right.

No matter what topic we were talking about.

Well, push.

is more than likely going to be your answer to all the faults that you're making in this swing.

If you feel like your weight's getting stuck forward and you're getting cramped and you're getting the chicken wing, it's more than likely because you're pushing with this trail shoulder down or you're pushing and firing this right tricep a little bit too soon.

So with all this momentum and energy driving from here, this person doesn't have a chance to work.

When you think of what the brain is trying to do in everyday golf and everyday life, but just in general, all the brain's really trying to do is keep you upright.

Like as I'm standing up here talking to you, all it's trying to do is just make sure that I don't fall over.

So in the golf swing, it's kind of the same thing.

It doesn't really care that you want to play golf.

It doesn't really care that you want to make a really good golf swing or shoot your score.

All it's saying is, all right.

My host is holding this stick and trying to move it from here to here.

I don't care what happens with that.

Just don't let the host fall over.

So as you start to move and you start pushing from the upper half too soon, what are your legs going to do?

How would your legs react?

Your legs are going to say, oh, no.

All right.

He's got all this momentum and inertia coming down from the top and everything's driving forward and losing balance.

Well, is the brain also going to be like, hey, let's post up for power?

Or is it going to say slam on the brakes?

If you start pushing too soon from the top and you start driving too hard from the top, your legs are going to take a nap.

Period.

Because they're going to say stabilize.

Don't let host die.

Don't knock head on floor.

So more than likely, the simplest explanation is that you're pushing with your shoulder or pushing with your arm coming down.

And that's why you can't do it.

So the first thing that I would do is I would go look at that and I'd make sure that as you start to coil and get back, that your chest or your shoulders feel like they're staying back to the target a little bit longer as you're making this motion, which should allow you to start shallowing out and clearing your hip.

we'd have to see it but i guarantee you that's the problem okay so number number my main struggle with the instruction and goat code is getting my upper body and my lower body to do two different things i have a hard time getting my right leg and hip to drive forward to make room for my right arm at gdp while at the same time getting my shoulders to tilt backwards rather than turn forwards as my right leg pivots so i'm taking that as as you start to drive with your right you're driving with your shoulder this way and this is the struggle even when i do execute this move correctly there are times when i tilt my shoulders too much and consequently block the shot way to the right.

Well, remember when you're right here and you move into side, Ben, it's not about taking your head and moving it away.

You're not just going to be able to immediately go like that.

All right.

That's not what we're looking for with that.

I'm sure I'm not the only person to struggle with this.

What is the best way to attack this problem?

And can you give me a drill to work on this specific issue?

It's a little bit tough to kind of.

piecemeal this problem together.

It's tough to piecemeal it together because they're all kind of in sync with one another.

Because this motion right here of taking my trail shoulder and moving into side bin, this is exactly how my legs react.

My legs don't stay here.

That kind of puts a little tightness in my back right there.

So as I start to move this down, i allow my pelvis to shift just as if i was skipping the stone or throwing an underhanded softball so this motion right here it's hard to say okay well let's do this let's they're all kind of one piece as we're doing this because this right hip's driving and moving down into gdp and if you're tilting your shoulders too much consequently well as you're going in the backswing So you start from here and you start to coil and you get into the takeaway.

And as you pass the takeaway and your trail shoulder starts moving towards the target, you're going to start shifting a little bit before you start completing the backswing.

You start moving back laterally that way.

This motion of taking the trail shoulder into side bend in this hip has to work as a unit.

Now you probably, I'm guessing this question was because of that live lesson.

that Chuck had, if anybody's seen it, where he put the stick on his hips and he put the stick here and said, okay, well, when you get down into impact, this should be what happens is that the shoulders don't turn in the downswing, they tilt, right?

There really isn't any kind of turn in the swing, they tilt.

And so as I tilt, this is how my hips work.

This is how I would practice it if you really struggle seeing the visuals.

Taking a club, and the only reason I'm not holding this against my chest, I got this mic right here, and I don't want to just be pop, pop, pop, pop.

Is take this and then start getting in front of a mirror.

I'm going to use this one right here.

And focus on, okay, as this hip clears, my trail shoulder is going to go down.

I think players are trying to make this move way too dramatic.

Way, way, way too dramatic.

Where they start kind of getting almost like this S curve as they do that.

If it doesn't feel good, don't do it.

If your body's telling you something doesn't feel right, if I can give you any advice today, don't do it.

Your body's telling you that for a reason.

But this motion, as I get up here towards the top and my trail shoulder blade gets into position, I can't just immediately move into this.

Like that's not how it works.

As I move laterally, my shoulders are going to start to unwind and move into this tilt position.

And so reading that question, what I'm thinking is, is that you're trying to get such a dramatic side bend immediately.

so either the head stays back and you get a lot of bend and you can't get the weight over there because you're trying to make such a dramatic motion with it i would take two sticks an alignment rod a club whatever and i would get up here towards the top and then start practicing this where the this tilts down we've got one motion like this this kind of goes back if you think of the old dead drill Like these mirrors right here, we used to have players do that all the time.

We'd have to put their arms and hands across the chest.

And without fail, my over-the-toppers, I'd say, hey, send me a dead drill.

Well, that's not the dead drill.

All you did was just spin your shoulders.

They all had to practice, oh, here are my shoulders.

Here are my shoulders.

Here are my shoulders.

I'm not trying to actively push or fire them coming down.

And then the biggest pet peeve is they wouldn't do it any faster.

Well, you've got to be able to do that at pace.

So I would take the sticks.

I would get in front of a mirror and watch yourself.

And when you get really proficient at it, start to add some pace to it.

And I think what you're going to find is that you're probably just trying to make the moves way too exaggerated.

especially with the side bend and the tilting.

You're trying to do that to such a degree that nothing's really wanting to respond.

Hopefully that answers.

All right.

Can you discuss how the lead side works in trail side transition and move into GDP?

Well, I mean, The lead side works as we get to here.

You're still going to have your adductor, ADD, not AB, Your adductor is still going to be helping as you're moving laterally, pulling the weight over here into position.

So the lead side, you're still going to feel a little bit with this oblique.

You're going to feel a little bit with this adductor as you start to pull the weight into GDP.

I think that it's easy to get locked into getting the right side or trail side too active in those phases of the swing and lose the awareness.

I tend to hang back and spin out too much from the trail side and have power and speed loss, at least for me.

Specifically referencing the muscles in transition video and how it would relate to both, the transition and the post-up move.

In a lead side dominant swing, we try to keep the left shoulder Are lead shoulder lower than the trail?

Correct.

Does this still apply in the trail side dominant swing or do we just let the lead shoulder rise in response?

Let the lead shoulder move in response to your trail.

Remember, when you're a trail side dominant swing, your trail side is kind of controlling the swing.

And this kind of goes back into the question that was prior to it.

My shoulders are here.

At the top.

All right.

So let me wish I could find a sticker on here, but I don't know.

I think somebody took my alignment right.

So my shoulders are here up at the top.

Now, what I want you to notice is that there's a plane to these shoulders or my shoulders.

There's a plane to this.

As I start to move back into the lead side, well, as I'm moving to here, my trail shoulder is still higher than my lead right now.

I don't get to here.

and then go like this so you can see where my head goes you can see i actually got more extension in my spine now as i start to move into my side bend and crunch this motion my shoulders move like this they're not going to go here and go like that i mean obviously you can see you know some early extension and that's really putting a lot of stress on my lumbar spine so when i get into this position your lead side your adductors your oblique they're still working to help with that lateral motion and getting stability in that lead leg because you're going to really pull on those downs maybe especially as you start to post up vertically to create a real firm lead leg but as my shoulders are here and i start to make my scat move so if you watch the end of the goat backswing where chuck talks about as you're here you kind of make that scap move well as i'm doing that now i'm moving into side bin i can't i can't go like this like that's not what you're trying to do right here so lead sidewise yes you're going to keep lead shoulder down you're going to focus on sitting in the left side and getting over this way trail sidewise as i move into side bin you can see my pelvis is starting to shift laterally as this is starting to drop But it doesn't immediately, like I don't yank it down like that and then hope everything works.

I'm moving into this position.

I'm moving into this position.

So that kind of goes back to the prior question where this may be just a little bit rushed right there.

Let me make sure I cut all this.

Tend to hang back and spin out too much from the trail.

Yeah, and that's probably due to the same thing, is that you're trying to do it too much.

all on this side and get that rotation for power.

You don't really need to think about trying to force a ton to the lead side if you're getting the backswing correctly.

Because as this trail scap starts to work up a little bit right here, you can see.

So I'm making that motion.

What's happening?

So I start to get into extension.

If you watch the four pressure shifts video, it'll really explain it to you well.

I move into this side.

As I get into extension, this is going to start to help my pressure shift back to the lead side.

And now as I start to make that scapular motion, that's going to be how I pivot in the side bend right here.

So I'd A, make sure that you're getting the backswing so that you can start getting back to the lead side kind of soon enough.

But I don't think you need to think about a ton.

Let that shoulder react to the fact that you're dropping your scap and your pelvis are pivoting that lead leg's posting.

Uh-oh, here's a J-release one.

When Chuck first started teaching a trail side pattern, he talked about widening the angle of the left hand.

So for those of you that don't know, there's a section talking about how when you're trying to kind of throw from the top is that the feeling would kind of be like widening the lean hand as this arm came down.

Instead of trying to get like a massive down cock right here, it'd be this kind of widening and swinging coming down.

The right hand was used to support speed up this action.

He later then talked about the J release where the right hand seems to be the main focus.

True.

And if you look at those videos, they're probably going to be in the lead side patterns section.

Then he talked about supination.

J release, he says, body needs to react to the J release in a throwing pattern.

And the goat drill body movements are the most important.

And he mentioned supination almost as an afterthought.

and the first seminary says you need to combine supination side bend pressure shift to the left can you confirm the widening of the left hand is now redundant yes is the j release exactly the same as supination i wanted to say it's exactly the same as supination i think that people are trying to make these motions completely different you know just by watching the questions and you know getting the feedback that i get from students that you know there this the j release pattern if i'm right here and i'm making you know the j release i mean if i hinge forward am i in a supinated position i'm 100 in a supinated position i'm not take the j release isn't taking this and steepening the pitch of the shaft in the supination video chuck talks about really making sure that this goes this way well you don't need to be that dramatic with it unless it's something that you you know you really struggle with it but you don't This doesn't happen just independently.

As I'm making that motion, I'm moving to this side.

I'm not going to be able to get that way under plane unless I'm just solely kind of doing it with my arm right here.

And so my body is reacting to the fact that this is supinating and I'm trying to snap it down here.

So, yes, there's still that supination motion is still happening as I'm doing that.

And so you don't need to think about trying to widen the lead hand.

That would be a little bit redundant right there.

And in a J-release pattern, the body is reacting to the motion.

It is reacting to the skipping of the stone analogy or the throwing the ball.

Because what you want to feel is that you can throw it hard from the top and that your body is going to kind of brace for impact.

And as it braces for impact, it's going to fire all these muscles to really slam on the brakes so you can get the speed transfer through this conduit.

All right.

On to the next.

I'm trying to keep my head a little more still on the backswing, but it still moves quite a bit back.

Okay, I like where this is going.

Good question.

And then up and high.

So you're saying that your head's going back and then up and high.

When I lift my hands to the top of the swing, are there any exercises or thoughts that I should focus on to keep my head from moving so much?

Well, the first thing is if your head's moving a ton in the backswing right here, you're just pushing with this side.

All you're doing is just moving your spine into flexion.

And that's kind of the first place that I would take you is think of the swing from the inside out.

So if I'm right here and I'm starting to make my backswing and my head's going this way.

my spine's moving into flexion i'm pushing with my lead side right here and this goes for a lead side or trail side swing so as you're moving into this position what i would put a lot of focus on is thinking about i've got to get into extension i've got to move my back into extension to where i have this kind of lordosis right here this curvature because that's going to be what really kind of gets my set joints to line up not only for safety purposes but making it all the good magic happen and so the first thing i would do is if my head's going a ton this is a great tool because you can take a mirror you can put a piece of blue tape on it like painter's tape and you can put your head on the and watch how you're doing or you can use something fixed in the background like like i've got that frame right there But the first thing that I would do is I would focus on watching myself and practice letting my trail shoulder work a little bit up and then move into extension.

Because you've got to get this push out first.

The core is winding back, scapula is going up slightly, not shrugging, scratching my ear, but it kind of moves up a little bit this way as I move into extension.

You're saying this is happening when you're lifting your hands to the top.

And that's probably because you're solely just lifting your hands.

Is that you move from push to here.

You kind of run out of real estate to be able to keep going this way.

So as you start to finish the backswing, because pushing from this side is going to do what?

So if we were to think about this kind of logistically, if I push from my lead side and move into flexion, what's the club going to be?

The club's typically going to be inside and low.

And so as you're making this motion, your save is, uh-oh, I'm going inside a little bit low.

I better get my arms up.

And so as you start kind of lifting your arms too independently of your body, now here comes your head.

Pushing over here, now here comes my head because I've got to get this club up.

I would focus first on watching yourself, letting the scapula move a little bit up.

and making sure that you get into extension and then doing the same thing especially even if you just take your trail hand right here and you wind yourself and really feel like you're getting a good kind of deep stretch from your toe all the way out to your hand right here and as you do that for me as i start to do that i actually feel not only the tension right here but and the coil but i almost feel like i'm wanting to prep to go this way because it's it's wanting me to kind of go down it's wanting me to get into this so i can start to move back this way that's what i would do we got that little bit of problem with the head as i would first check with push and if i've said it once i'll say it a million times get one of these If you don't have an iPhone, if you don't have a camera, if you don't have any of that stuff, get one of the.

A mirror's invaluable.

When I was back in my heyday, I used to have to wait in my condo until the sun went to a certain level around like 3 or 4 o 'clock in the afternoon.

But that would create a perfect mirror image in the backsliding door.

and i'd have like two hours to get really good practice and find anything you can to see yourself need to figure out how the trail wrist works from gdp to impact in slow motion don't overthink this one the wrist is an extension so the wrist i'm going to start to have some deviation and some rotation right here The elbow pit of the trail hand is facing straight.

You can see my elbow pit right here.

I'm in GDP.

I'm not taking my elbow and going like this.

I'm not adding internal rotation of my arm.

I'm in this position with this extension right here.

I'm going to start to lose because I'm going to get into deviation right here.

And this is going to start to rotate and square up.

But you can see I'm not doing that with my elbow.

All right.

I'm not taking my elbow and rotating it internally this way.

Could you show us in slow motion what the trail risk does between GDP and impact?

A little confused about sequence.

Maybe I'm overthinking.

I think you are overthinking.

And that's okay.

We all do that in golf.

I mean, every time you hit a bad shot, you probably go down your 20 list of what could have caused it.

We all do that in golf.

But if you were to put yourself into GDP right here, think about this.

How am I going to get this club, or here's a golf ball.

How am I going to get this club to this golf ball right here?

Well, first, I'm going to have to lose angle at some point.

And at some point in time, this club is going to have to be square.

So all it is is deviation right here and rotation.

That's all that has to happen right here.

So as I go from here to here, that's going to be what gets the bat on the ball.

Also, we'd like to see how to better take away the club.

for pitch shots and short wedges without rolling it open but also not leaving it super shut by having the trail hand start to feel like it's pushing it closed why are you feeling like you have to push it closed why are you feeling like you have to push it closed if the club face says i'm taking if i'm making the pitch shot swing as i go back let me grab a wedge Making it closed, I would actually be turning my wrist down like this.

If I go into this position and I add extension right here, what's my club face relatively doing to my spine right now?

It's pretty darn close to it right here.

Rolling it open, we don't obviously want to do that, or push with the lead arm.

But not leaving it super shut by having the trail hand start to feel like it's pushing it close.

Well, to me, that sounds like, and it's kind of like, because you're looking at video and you're looking at different parameters to check your swing with.

As I'm right here and I get my core going, I'm making takeaway and pitch.

Remember, my lead wrist is still going to have a little bit of set in this.

there's still going to be a little bit of cocking right here because it's got to set up plain.

So as my lead wrist has a little bit of cocking right here and my trail wrist goes back, the only way for me to have this shut would be what?

Well, now if I bring this back down to the golf ball, I mean, my face is 35, 40 degrees closed right now.

If I were to actually do that, you can see this is 45.

30 degrees closed and ton closed right there.

So it's this little bit of set and it's this little bit of hinge.

It shouldn't be overly shut.

And if it's overly shut, then you're more than likely turning it down this way.

Because if I just take this and I hinge my wrist, that club overly shut, it's still pretty darn square.

Think about it from this perspective.

Maybe this will be the kind of light bulb with it.

If my club face is square right now.

And all I did is solely just hinge my wrist.

Okay.

All I did was solely just, it's still square.

I let it go and it's square.

If it's shutting down, then you're manually doing something.

This arm is going to be internally rotating or you're adding flexion to it or you're turning down this hand.

It's a little bit of blend of the lead wrist.

letting this hinge so you don't need to have it super shut that's not the goal I don't want it super shit it'd be great if you discussed exactly the shaft of the putter should point for instance to the belt or even the belly button In addition, we'd love to know how to choose correct putter length.

Well, two things I've never really thought about that much.

I don't try to aim the putter.

Let's see.

I want to use that.

Oh, here.

Perfect.

Got an old 8802.

So as I'm getting set up to the putter, I want to make sure that my putter lie.

is set correctly so that I can get the center of the face sitting on the ground.

I don't try to necessarily make sure that it points perfectly towards my belly button or towards my belt buckle because I'm kind of letting that be adjusted by what I'm doing with my body.

And so when I think of kind of getting the correct length and the correct sitting of the putter, I want to get this to where the putter is sitting flat, right?

So this putter is sitting flat right now.

And if I set up to it, In this position, you're going to see that my eyes are way over the golf ball right now.

Well, that's not where I want my eyes in a putt.

I need to bend this putter.

This one's way too upright for me because as I get into position right here, my eyes are way too far over the golf ball.

I need to make sure that my eyes are on the golf ball or slightly inside it.

I prefer slightly inside.

And so that's going to help me dictate when I get into position whether this lie and where this putter is going to be aiming because.

I don't really try to think about aiming my putter head at a certain specific body point.

Everybody's got different length torso or arm.

But arm wise, this is always what I've done.

I don't want you up here like this where your arms are super duper duper bent, nor do I want you stretching for dear life.

If you think about the goat grip and what you're doing.

So I'm trying to get this in the fingers correctly right here.

And you can see that when I get into position.

This isn't locked out and that wouldn't be comfortable to putt with right there.

I'm letting my arm hang.

Now when I get over here and get my grip, this is in a nice comfortable position with my elbow pit facing out right here where I can get my eyelet.

And when I set up right here, I can see that this toe is sitting way too far up.

So it's definitely not the right lie for me.

But this is kind of how I'm gauging.

If I were to grab this putter right now and say.

You know, if I put my arm down and the putter's right here, that putter's too short for me, right?

Because when I'm essentially kind of like clapping hands right here, this is where I'm balanced.

This is where, okay, I'm in position right here.

Now let me get my goat grip.

Let me get my fingers on, get into this position.

For me, this is a perfect length putter.

The lie is not very good.

But this is a perfect length where I can get my arm straight, I can get my goat grip on, and I can use my core to swing it back and forth.

you don't want to see where you're getting like this so let this hang see where your eyes are relative to it okay this is kind of length that i need for me you know i'm 5 '9 was 5 '10 at one point but now i'm 5 '9 and so for me like 33 and three quarters is my length putter because i've got very long arms for my height and that's where i need to have it set But I don't try to aim it at any specific body part.

I like to be where if I want to have connection to my core, I get my goat grip.

I get it connected to my core where I'm doing this.

If I'm bent like this, I'm not going to feel a good connection with my core.

This thing is going to kind of want to swing out on its own.

Let the arm hang.

Get the grip.

Get it straight.

Elbow pit's facing away.

I got the grip right here.

I can feel this connection.

It's kind of where I need to be.

Oh, well, I went over time.

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Donald.

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Donald, does the left shoulder move down on the backswing?

Yes.

So as you make the backswing, this lead shoulder is starting to work down.

So as my trail shoulder is working up, my lead shoulder is working down.

It's something that I see all too often is that as players start to go back, they push with their lead shoulder.

The trail shoulder goes this way.

Lead shoulder gets high.

Now they're in a whole world of problems.

David, also, is it the chest turning through to get to impact?

Turning through impact or turning to get to impact?

Because as I move up here towards the top and I move my pressure back and move into position, you can see that my stomach is opening up as my core is rotating through right here, as I'm starting to post up.

By the time I get down into here, everything's starting to fire and decel so I can transfer the speed.

You don't keep trying to rotate through the shot.

If you're getting here and you keep rotating through the shot, you're not going to release the club, and you're going to tie your club head speed to the rotation of your body, which that's going to kind of be the slowest way to do it.

Thank you, David.

Thank you, Chris.

I appreciate it.

David, do the arms get closer together at the top of the swing?

Well, if this is my arm length right here, I'll bring out trusty rotary connect.

You tell me.

If my arms and hands are right here and I get up here towards the top, where are my arms relative?

Are they closer or further away or kind of the same?

Kind of the same.

Not really celebrating or celebrating, separating, or I'm not trying to get here and then.

squeeze them together as I get to the top of my backswing.

Lee, can you cover the exact sequence of the trail side release?

Is it right hip, right shoulder, and right arm?

It seems to hurt some when I try to do it, so I want to know exactly to make sure I understand.

Well, are you doing it a little bit more in a squish the bug fashion or a J release fashion?

If it's hurting, I think to me, just reading the note, if it's hurting, then to me, you're taking this.

It's going back to the exaggeration that you're going to the extreme and you're not letting your hips pivot.

I guess a better way to kind of answer that question is I'll use this right here.

If you think about like the tennis stroke.

If I'm moving into position and my core is rotating through and clearing, this is going to be how I'm protecting my spine.

If everything's staying kind of overly closed and shut this way and I'm going down here, that's going to cause a little bit of the problem.

So what I would check to make sure is that as your right hip drives, your trail shoulder starts to work down, your trail elbow works down into this position, is make sure that you are getting it through.

Because if you're not letting this move enough and you're kind of staying here, you are going to get a little bit excessive in that side bend and secondary tilt, like where you're getting a little bit of pain.

Could you show the two sticks with the hips and the shoulder one more time?

Sure.

So if you take.

An alignment rod or golf club, whatever you want to use.

Put one on your chest right here.

I've got to kind of align with my shoulders.

I've just got this mic here.

I've got one on my hip.

So as I start to move in the downswing, you can see how this upper one is tilted as my hips are open right here.

The down the line will give you a better visual of So you see how I'm tilting as my.

hip is working open i'm not trying to rotate these sticks together i'm feeling the side bend and feeling the tilt as my hips open and that's kind of going back to the prior question that's how i'm staying safe because i'm allowing the hip to open uh i keep hitting short iron and wedges to the right and can't figure it out send in your swing david we'll be happy to take a look forum community swing review If you're hitting it to the right, face is open right there.

There's a ton of different things that can cause your face to be open.

But more than likely, you're just spinning so much that the club isn't squaring up right here.

So you're getting a little steep on it.

Trying to motor it through with the body too much or your upper half.

Going back to the question on the pitch shots, I tend to lose them right.

Any suggestions I want to look for?

I don't do this with full swing.

I tend to pull full swing slightly left.

Going back to the pitch shots, I tend to lose them to the right.

What should I look for?

Nick, if you're losing them to the right, there's a lot of different things you can look at right here.

You may be filleting the face open a little bit, and as you're using your core, it's staying open.

But what I would check for is make sure that you're getting your core rotating through enough to bring this back to square.

You could be adding a little bit of push from here, from your trail hip towards the golf ball, which is pushing your lead arm and hand out this way.

And so you're hitting that little bit of push.

And the reason I say that is because of your next one, is because you say that you tend to pull the other ones.

Well, if you start to make your iron swing and you're starting to come down and you start adding some early extension right here, the tendency can be that you add early extension, you leave this face open.

but it can also be where you kind of get this underneath hand action.

So to me, it's still, what I say earlier, it's probably going to be push of some sort, but I would think that you're probably pushing with your trail hip towards the ball a little bit.

Let's see.

Still slightly over the top.

Should I feel a slight pause in the right shoulder drop at the top to help?

While you're training, you can do that.

You know, you can make your goat backswing, let this trail shoulder rise and then let it drop, you know, and just kind of get that feeling of making that transition.

But if you're struggling with over the top, I think in the second session or first session, live a little bit how the other people live for a second.

Same thing I told the players when we were doing Axiom.

If you struggle with getting this.

Live with some drop kicks for a little bit.

Take the magic of supination video and get out there and make some big ones.

Make some large clockwise motions.

Get out of being over the top.

Now you can get up here and you can feel doing this.

I have zero problem with that.

You can train that.

But make some motions where you're exaggerating it a little bit.

I guarantee you the first couple of times you do it, you're going to feel like you make this big whirly bird.

But when you look at it on film, you're going to be like, well, it felt like a big whirly bird, but I barely did it, especially if you're so used to being over the top.

Daryl, thanks, Craig.

Your classes are what I wait for.

Daryl, you got to have better expectations than that in life.

Come on, my friend.

I truly appreciate that.

But life is.

Come on.

I'm new.

What app do you use here to video our swings and how can we send them in?

Most people, Jim, use just whatever their camera is on their iPhone.

And then you just upload it to the Swing Review Portal.

But most people just use that.

If you want to use any particular app, I use Swing Catalyst, Coach's Eye, V1, OnForm.

Those are a couple good ones out there if you're looking to draw lines and stuff.

Do you feel like wrist rotation happens before or after impact?

Wrist rotation in relation to what?

If you're meaning like the squaring of the club?

If I'm right here and I'm deviating, I'm going to feel my release doesn't feel like a big crossover, but I feel that little bit of squaring up right here.

Just the tiniest bit.

It's not very big in a trail side pattern.

You're going to see it, and maybe that's a better way of answering your question.

You're going to see it a heck of a lot more on that side of the equation, but it has to happen a little bit sooner.

You've got to get that club square.

Thank you, Mitchell.

I appreciate it.

Steve, thank you, thank you.

All right, I'm going to take this last one for Lee, and then I'm going to get out of Dodge.

I think I was under the impression that the right shoulder could not turn any through the release, which is probably where the pain came from, as I think you alluded to.

So after the right hip, right shoulder, you can use the right arm, right?

What do you mean by use the right arm?

Like, I don't want you to think like using the right arm, like you can sit here and manually.

I mean, technically, if you get a lot of lateral motion, you can kind of guide it a little bit with your trail arm this way if you're putting a lot of.

uh onus on trying to hit it straight and taking away power but as you're working from here to here think about the pattern and maybe j release is the easiest way to see it as i'm going from here and this is squaring my arm i'm not staying like this at some point in time this has to widen so my arm if i'm throwing from here and i start to throw from the top My arm is going to get longer right here.

It's not bent like this for still having the flexion that I have with the 90 degrees here.

All right.

Well, that's it for tonight.

That was the last question.

Nick, thank you, thank you.

David, thank you.

David again, thank you.

That was very informative.

I appreciate it.

I hope it was.

Felt like a couple of questions were helpful.

But with that said, Thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Thank you for stopping by.

If you have any further ones, go to the community.

Put them up there.

I will do them.

We got the rest of the month to do this together.

Let's make the last three sessions awesome.

All right.

So thank you again.

Enjoy your evening.

We'll get the replay up as soon as we can.

And I will see you all next Wednesday.

Hey, Steve, no problem.

I appreciate it.

Good to hear from you, my friend.

Stanley, no problem.

Thank you.