Q-n-A Webinar 22: August 6

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Can you hear me?

Can you see me?

And if Mark doesn't pop up first, I'm going to be disappointed.

Oh, Jeff, you beat Mark.

Evening to you.

Can you hear me, Jeff?

How's the volume?

I can hear you but can't see you.

Yeah.

If you can't see me, that's fine.

As long as you're seeing something.

That's the most important thing.

Charles, hello.

Chris, how are we doing?

Stan?

There's your arm.

Yeah, that's my arm.

All right.

I've got to empty my pockets.

Glenn, hello.

Michael, good evening.

All right.

Welcome to webinar 20 -something.

For those of you new, I will be your humble RSC swing instructor, Craig Morrow, up here today, guiding you through the webinar.

I hope everybody's having a lovely evening.

And as usual, I'm going to make sure that everybody gets in the room that wants to be here live.

So I'm going to stand up here, do some tricks, and chit-chat with the group as I watch my ticker on the screen right there pick up as people are getting in the room.

And I appreciate and thank you for stopping by this evening.

Hopefully we got some good things to talk about.

I did get a few community posts, some questions.

So hopefully that will clear the air.

Jeff, I just got yours.

So when I get to yours, because I just literally checked my email, I'll have, I got yours, but you're on, you made the list.

You made the list.

Anyway, I hope everybody's having a good August so far.

Depending on what county you live in with Georgia, if you have kids, they started back school on Monday, which is blasphemy in my opinion, but I grew up in a different era.

I would never have been able to play tournament golf if I started back school August 3rd.

I mean, I got a couple plaques over there on the wall from tournaments.

From his kid that I won and I'm looking at the dates and I'm like, late August, um, but anyway, I hope everybody's doing well this evening.

MITCHELL Hello Dennis.

Good evening Jim.

you can hear me well, so that's perfect.

So how are we doing tonight?

While this ticker gets in here?

Hot and humid and North Carolina was only able to play nine?

I'll tell you what we've had off and on storms today.

But like, right now, it's like 70 right now, here is.

And last night was actually very pleasant.

It's going to go away, but it was a welcome change from what it has been.

So what's going on in the world?

Anything I need to know before I get started on this whole golf thing?

I know I have to play golf next week.

It'll be my first round in, man.

Over a year.

I know that.

It'd be the first time I've hit balls in over a year.

So it's funny because I always kid around my students and I'm like, man, I have to play golf next week.

So we shall see.

I might have to call you guys for some swing reviews or something to get some help on my swings.

I don't know what the heck I'm doing.

I have to hit a golf ball.

What is that?

Stan, that must mean you'll play very well.

If I go in with very low expectations, but it's the same thing.

I'm trying to say this humbly or however well I can say this.

It's like going to a doctor.

If you go to a doctor, you expect the doctor to know what he's doing.

It's like me.

If I have to play golf or I have to do something.

I can't go out there and shoot 110 or nobody's ever going to take a lesson from me.

I've got to look like I've got to know what I'm doing.

I kind of know what I'm doing, so I'll be okay.

But I can tell you I'm going to be hurting after it.

I'm going to be sitting in a tub of ice or something.

So what's going on?

Nobody has anything going on in life?

Ticker's increasing a little bit.

I'll give it just about two more minutes.

Anything anybody wants to chit-chat about before we get going?

Nothing too in-depth question-wise because today I do have some community questions that I want to get through, make sure they get answered.

We'll still have some time for some live Q&A, so I'll get you some golf talk live while I'm down here.

Nothing?

Nobody's got anything going on?

Talk about the bears.

I don't know anything.

Cyclosporas?

Anybody get that?

Sit in a tub of Mountain Dew after you're around.

I'll tell you what, Tom.

Uh, if that worked, I probably would have already done it.

I'm I'm gonna be sitting in something, I can tell you what I'm either gonna be.

Yeah, sitting in a vat of whiskey or ice, one of the two, because everything will hurt.

I mean, a lot of you have been around the site for a while, some of you are newbies, which is awesome, uh, but a lot of you've been around the site.

But even like, Yeah, there's my C4 journey, I mean, my Hip, lead hip, was killing me.

So 18 holes is going to be a lot for this kid.

Iroh, what do you think about this new lift thing where players will be owners?

I think about it.

One of my roommates sent me the text, the article of, you know, what's going on with that.

I think about it like.

when they built Hard Rock Park in Myrtle Beach.

So I was living in Myrtle Beach at the time, and I said, I give it a year before it shuts down.

I think I wouldn't invest in it.

Golfers want to golf.

And obviously, depending on how they structure the ownership and all that, and now they're, I'm not putting my chips back on it.

I think it's going to end up in the same boat.

David, Chiefs versus Bears Super Bowl.

Not a chance.

Not a chance.

I hope you get your wish.

I'd rather it be the Falcons, but we're on our eighth string quarterback right now.

Hey, Michael.

Nobody has anything to say.

I think we'll just go ahead and get rock and roll.

I mean, y'all are here for golf anyway.

I definitely know y'all aren't here for my good looks.

Or you are.

I mean, if you are, then you must have some really thick glasses that are fogged over.

All right.

Well, I'd say without further ado.

Talk about some golf.

Talk about the only thing I kind of know what I'm talking about in.

All right.

So question number one of the night.

Since trying to switch my arms off and work more with the body movement to drive the swing, my goat scores improved a bit.

The contact with the ball when I play is dead.

It's sometimes unplayable.

I think in my old swing, my arms and hands were at least delivering some whip.

And I can understand that.

That's basically going to be how I play golf next week.

I'm just going to use my arms and hands to whip the club.

I never got the J release going when it was first issued.

There was all the shorter swing stuff to crack on with.

But my current issue, I revisited the goat grip and had to go with the J release.

And I could feel.

much more the club head release.

I saw in one video a mention to pronate the lead arm as well as the trail arm to generate hand speed.

Can you clarify, please?

I take it that it's the goat grip and trail arm supination always, but is it also the case that in the full swing, we also need to supinate the lead arm in that order to execute the J release?

Yes, the lead arm needs to supinate, but it's not manual.

All right.

So let me kind of talk about that.

I think that some people, when they're trying to create hand and arm speed, they do get hand and arm speed.

They start getting very handsy and armsy.

But this kind of goes back to the how many drivers of your car can you have?

You really can only have kind of one driver to your car.

The whole thing is just going to turn into a mess.

You're not going to keep the car.

between the straight and arrows.

So yes, when you're up here at the top of the backswing and you start to supinate and moving down this way, this lead arm does internally rotate, all right?

But you can't be sitting here trying to supinate the trail arm as you're trying to manually internally rotate the lead arm.

If you take both, make sure.

If you take both and try to do it, where's this club going to end up?

If I'm pushing this or rotating this this way, and I'm also rotating this this way, and the club's ending up over here, I can probably time it to get it back if I shut down my body.

But you need to let this lead arm kind of react.

If you can supinate, your trail arm can supinate, throwing motion, start to deviate.

J release, however you want to think about it.

What happens as I'm going from backswing to downswing?

So I'm starting to load and coil here and get up here towards the top.

What's the one thing I don't want to do from here?

What would be the absolute killer?

Would be to do all this great stuff from here and then try to use my shoulders.

Now, if you just watch my lead arm.

If I go from here and I get up to this position and I spin my shoulders, what does my lead arm do?

You see how my arm and hand go out and it actually starts externally rotating this way, okay?

And that's because the force, when I start pushing with my shoulders, this is why players get steep.

This is why players don't shell out the club, maintain lag, all this fun stuff.

Well, if I'm organizing my swing correctly and I'm rotating up here towards the top and coiling, we all know that pressure.

the lower half, the core, all start going this way before I finish here.

I don't just go to the top of the backswing, stop and say, okay, now it's time to change directions.

I go from here.

And then as I'm coiling up towards the top, I start to cycle back into my lead side.

And if I'm starting it from the ground, watch what happens with my arm.

This arm actually wants to start to get this way because now I start to get that fascial sling and get the stretch from my back, cross my arm and stuff.

But now my lead hip and lead side is starting to pull this down into position.

Okay.

That's really what's going on.

So as I get here, that's what's allowing this to happen.

So does lead arm internally rotate and transition?

Absolutely, but it happens more as a byproduct of me cycling through my order of operations, not because I'm making this happen.

If you already have the feeling of the supination or the J, or the throwing pattern, or going behind you or axiom.

You don't need to try to be doing it with both, because if you end up manually doing it by this, by the time you get down to the golf ball, if you've done it with both, now you've got this where you've got this pitched highly elbow, your shoulder is going to actually protract even more.

And unless you turn off all your body, you're never going to be able to get this club back to square.

So it needs to happen, but it's as a byproduct.

So for that player, I hope it helps.

Because you can't add speed from your arms.

As in, like, making your arms create speed.

That's not really how it works.

All right.

Question number dos.

Based on the past videos of lead hip coil and throwing from the top, is the idea eventually to blend.

An active throw of the hands, not arms, with pulling of the lead glute around and Also, when loading the lead glute and inner thigh, is it a subtle increase in load or should I feel the majority of the weight on my lead side in the backswing that it increases more in transition?

Let's take that backwards because I think that the last question is the easier one to think about.

Okay.

So I'll go back to the throw and stuff like that.

So the question on the table, Is it a subtle increase in load, or should I feel the majority of the weight on the lead side in the backswing, and then it increases even more in transition?

It's not the majority of the weight staying on the lead side in the backswing.

Okay.

You still have to move.

And if anybody watched the video, It came out, I think, like two days ago.

Chuck talks about it as feeling springy, all right?

And I actually think that's probably even the best way.

Instead of getting locked into numbers, you're going to get about 70% until your trail's up, all right?

So you can't have the vast majority staying on your lead set.

But without getting locked down in the numbers, I think the springy way is the way to think about it, all right?

In position right here and I'm starting to get my lateral and I'm starting to get my coil right here.

Chuck talks about feeling springy with this lead leg.

All right to where if I?

I can pick it up, but you can see how as I'm picking it up, I immediately have to fall back on it.

Now, if I was over here, I I can do this all day long.

If I've got too much on this side now, I can't pick up my leg.

It's something I absolutely love doing in in-person lessons, because not this particular drill, but just in general, if somebody hits a golf shot and they're like, oh, I shifted my weight and I'm like, pick up your right foot.

And then you see them kind of jump over like this because they can't get their right foot off the ground.

I'm like, where was your weight?

Same thing with this.

So no, it's a subtle increase.

It's not staying there.

I still have to have the lateral.

and the coil up into this position as I'm getting up here towards the top.

But what you don't want to lose is the sense that you've got a lead side, that you've got a lead leg, that you're stretching from this leg.

If I just go like this, now I've got no reason to kind of rebound.

We talk about the coil getting this way.

If I don't stretch dynamically going back, I've got no reason to go back in this direction.

But it's the same thing with.

having the sense that you still have a lead side and you're still trying to use that lead side in the downswing.

So as you start to move laterally and you start to coil, think about it like this.

I've got enough pressure that I can pick up my leg, but I can't keep it there because that's going to be how you get this coiled and get back into that catch exactly where you need to so you can use it.

All right?

Don't leave it there.

That's a killer.

Do not leave it there.

All right?

Now, is the idea eventually to blend active throw of the hands and pulling the lead group around it up?

Yeah.

That's the whole.

So that when you're here and you've got your throwing pattern like this and you're going this way, it's to blend because it's.

It goes back to my jump shot analogy, except golf, you're doing a lot from this side.

So the goal is to blend this with your release so that you're transferring that.

The goal is to blend.

I've got the feeling of throwing the club behind me, right?

So I'm throwing the club.

This is starting to catch.

And now when I get that caught and I get back into this side, this vertical hip extension, that's what's allowing me to snap the club.

With a lot of speed, but without me having to do it, it's not me going like this.

It's because I'm getting here and that's what's allowing me to snap, and this is a very fast motion.

All right, the golf swings a lot faster than probably most players feel.

I mean, the biggest problem that I have, it's not the biggest problem.

But when it comes to speed with higher handicap averages, It's not that they don't understand the swing needs to be fast.

It's when it needs to be fast.

Because A, you only get one speed burst.

B, the vast majority of people don't hit it far enough because they don't swing fast back enough.

Dyslexia kicking in.

They don't swing back enough fast enough.

They don't get fast enough here and loaded to rebound that they take so long.

Tempo-wise, to get everything loaded and going, that's why they don't have any speed in the downswing.

It's got to be reactionary.

It's got to be motion.

Are you going to find tour players and all that that have – absolutely.

But if you look at the longest hitters, you're going to see that everything that they're doing is to make this fast and dynamically load so this snaps faster coming down.

So, yes, the goal is to get it to where you're getting this motion, and that pop is how you're – That's why there's a drill that I do a lot with players where I have them, if you think of, I don't know why I'm blanking out, the torque bridge drill.

I have a lot of players where I'll have them actually start taking their lead leg this way so that when they start planting, they can start feeling how this actually posts and drives because the vast majority of my players just sit here and spin.

I'm like, Rotation was done a long, long time ago.

Got three forces, lateral, rotational, and vertical.

You're still trying to rotate when you should be almost finished with the vertical at this point.

That's why you don't have any speed.

But that's kind of the same premise.

If I can get the throw and I can get the lead glute to catch and post properly, then when I start to get in, and this is super exaggerated.

Don't go try this at home.

Break your leg.

That if I'm posting right here and I've got something to brace against, now I can snap.

But if I'm, there's no snap in that.

If I'm like this, that creates a post for me to throw against.

But as soon as I start trying to rotate, I can't see the difference right there.

That's because this motion, the vertical hip extension, is internal femur rotation, not external femur rotation.

That's where a lot of players get that wrong.

It screws up their posting because they still think they're trying to rotate open.

I'm like, I didn't even try to rotate.

I can't even remember the last time I tried to rotate.

I think that's it.

Yeah, that should be it.

Okay.

I thought about this one for a second.

How does loading work in the backswing and downswing?

That's a pretty darn, that's like a 20-minute video.

And when and how does the throw come in there?

That's like another 20-minute, like that's like explaining like the theory of relativity.

So I took some notes right here on this one because I did read this question before.

I'm trying to sum it up into like the, Quietest thing that I can.

How does the loading work in the backswing and the downswing?

Well, the loading works because you're increasing pressure and stretch with the whole unit.

So the loading and the backswing works because as I'm right here.

I've got some lateral motion.

And then as I start to turn my rib cage and my core right here, and my hip starts to work this way, this starts, and I start to get extension right here.

This starts to create a stretch right here.

And I'm starting to create a stretch from my lead side this way.

So initially the loading and the backswing is all, I don't want to say like it's a just one body unit movement, but that's kind of what it feels like is that everybody's kind of going together right here.

Because if everybody's kind of going together right here, now my arms aren't really doing anything.

They're just being transported by how I'm moving right here.

I haven't done anything with my arms.

And it kind of feels almost unibody because this hip's going up, this hip's going down.

I've got pressure increasing in this side because I had the lateral motion initially.

And as I start to create my angles right here, this is what's creating load and stretch to not carry my arms.

And then as I get up here to the top, I'm going to kind of reach the wall.

Of diminishing, not diminishing returns.

I'm kind of reach.

Forget the one that I'm looking for right now, where I just can't go any further.

Or a restriction where I can't keep turning anymore.

Because I've taken this rubber band so hard and I've stretched this so much and I'm so loaded that as I start to catch back in this side.

When I get to this position.

This has to start to pop and load in back into my lead leg harder, which is keeping my lead hip down.

Until it's time to snap and then throw the club.

Now, when and how does the throw come in here?

Well, the throw pattern begins right at the top, but the throw snap is going to be a result of after getting the load because that's going to be where I'm getting the snap.

If I'm just getting here and I never get this up here, Catch and load, then when?

By the time I get down here.

If I never did any of that, I'd have to create the throw and snap like this.

But the throwing pattern, the feeling of it, starts at the top.

But it's because I have to get loaded in the downswing to snap it.

So don't kind of, um, overthink it.

I'm throwing a ball right here.

Got Mr.

Ball.

So I'm stepping back.

I'm going over here.

And as I go this way, you can see that's what's really kind of setting my wrist with the weight of the ball and the club as I'm stepping this way.

And once I get this planted and get this to snap back, now I get this.

But that whole throw pattern starts as soon as I'm right here.

And then I let it snap and release.

It's about as simple as I can try to make Because there's a lot that goes on into that.

How does loading work?

It's because it's an increase in pressure and stretching.

If I just stayed on this leg and went back this way, I wouldn't be able to load anything.

It's the fact that I'm kind of, don't do this with your arms, but I'm going this way and this way.

That's how I'm kind of loaded.

I'm going this way and this way.

The problem is I've got lateral motion and I don't want to do that with my arms.

But that's essentially what happens.

And the throw happens because as I get this load in the backswing, but I get loaded in the downswing, I've got this throwing pattern where this is supinating going behind me.

This right here, this pop is what's creating the snap because I don't want to be, I don't want my club head speed tied to muscle strength.

I want it tied.

to my body saying, accelerate, decelerate.

Snap.

Physics are going to do it for me.

Let's see.

Can you please go over the sequencing for the lead knee?

That was in the video yesterday, too.

In the new Goatee Ghost, my lead knee looks to be late turning back towards the target compared to the Ghost.

And that goes back to the same thing with how you're loading in the backswing and coming down.

Most people are late getting that because they're not loading correctly this way.

So what technically happens is as I get up here, my pressure, as soon as I kind of run out of turn back here, starts to increase on this side.

And I used to tell people all the time, they're like, what happens in the downswing?

I'm like, lead knee externally rotates, lead adductors start to pull the weight immediately right here.

As soon as that starts increasing in pressure right here, This gets back.

Now, it doesn't go this way because I don't want you blowing out your knee.

It's also why you've got to be careful for you players that have a giant splay in your foot because you have limited mobility in your hip.

You have to be careful with that.

There's pros and cons to it.

But as my pressure starts to get to here, you're going to see that I'm loaded.

And as I get up here towards the top, the first thing that happens is my lead knee has this external rotation to get stacked.

But because I'm not pushing from this side, okay, because I'm not pushing from that side, and because I'm not trying to spin my hip, if my lead knee externally rotates and my glutes starts to get loaded and my abductors, these muscles right here on the inner thigh, are the ones that are doing it, that's why it feels almost like you're squeezing like pirouetting.

If my knee's going this way, but I'm pirouetting it with my thigh, that keeps this from going this way.

Now all this right here is weak.

When I go like this and I get like that, I can feel all up in here and in my glute now.

But as soon as I let go of that tension, my knee goes this way.

Now I don't have any speed.

So it goes back to the coil first.

You've got to coil correctly first so that as you're winding right here, you want to get back to this side.

And so as like what Chuck said about the springy effect, if this has kind of like a spring, like you're ready to get back on that side as soon as that's done.

All right?

You don't want to manually kind of be stuck trying to rotate it, but it's typically because either A, you shifted too much this way and you can't get back to it, or B, you never left this leg.

But reading your note, my lead knee looks to be late turning back towards the target compared to the ghost.

Well, if it looks to be late, Turning back, you're probably moving a little bit too much this way, and then you're, you're, you're having to do too much.

To try to play catch up, so you probably need to feel a little bit more pivot around the lead leg.

So you can see how mine right here doesn't really, but that springy feeling like that's, you can see, bam, it's back immediately.

Like that, I didn't have to worry about it.

What I see more often than not is too much load this way and then players trying to get their weight over, but because the downswing's so fast, they don't have a chance to get their weight over, and they immediately start spinning open like that.

Where did I fall?

I fell forward.

Let me do that again because it's very important to understand.

If I'm right here and I get too much on my trail side and I don't have all the weight to get the lateral, I'm going to start going into spinning because I'm trying to put speed on the ball.

So I'm not going to finish my lateral and spin.

Where am I going?

For those of you early extenders out there, I stand back here.

Where am I going?

The spin is going to throw me out the golf ball.

So if you struggle with early extension, it's probably a little bit of what's happening.

All right.

That's it on this list.

I'm not going to the tape yet.

Jeff sent in a.

No, right before I got on.

So give me two seconds.

I got to go find it.

All right.

So let's see.

All right.

So can you elaborate about the chest rib cage moving underneath the lead arm during the initial takeaway?

I tried to find this movement in the videos, but unable to, so find it right now.

Well, don't overthink this one.

All right.

Let me get back to my screen so I know what I'm looking at.

Don't overthink this one, Jeff.

So the rib cage rotating underneath the lead arm.

All that's saying is you're trying to get this working as a unit.

A couple webinars back, I talked about the trail arm and kind of thinking about it like a sprinkler.

It's essentially the same thing.

I'm not trying to get here and push my chest down.

That's not rotating my chest.

If I stand right here, I'm rotating my rib cage right here.

So I'm not moving my hips or anything.

And I can feel my rib cage kind of rotating around my spine right here and around my center.

All right.

This is my rib.

I can feel my ribs kind of gliding back and forth right here.

All right.

So the rotating underneath is this working as this unit like this.

All right.

This goes into your second question.

So let me go back to the.

the question because it ties into it.

Also, can you discuss the need or importance of the lead arm to be protracted at a dress without shrugging?

So it ties into your second question.

All right, so let's kind of recap.

First question is what is rotating the ribcage underneath the lead arm?

Also, what's the importance of the lead arm needing to be protracted at setup?

Okay, and shoulders shrugging.

I'm going to go with that one and kind of work my way backwards because the underneath will make a lot more sense.

At setup, this lead shoulder and lead arm are slightly protracted at setup.

Because if it wasn't protracted at setup, where would it sit?

I'd grab my club, And this is something that kind of barrel-chested people struggle with.

Because their arms sit too much on the side of their body and they can't get their arms out in front.

So the need for the protraction is to get the arm forward so we can start to create a link with our rib cage.

All right.

So you can see the difference of being on the side of my body right now.

Now I'm going to have to do something to get my arm back because it can never get up there.

It can only move this far.

As soon as I protracted a little bit right here, I kind of rested on my rib cage right here.

This is the rotating underneath because the rotation here is carrying.

My lead arm, I don't have to do anything with my arm now now, it's linked to how I'm rotating right here now, with the shoulder shrugging.

This is something that players are always kind of messing up because they either try to get in military posture.

Or they watch shoulder blade glide and they think that you got to be locked in.

The shoulders naturally sit like this, right?

I think mine, this one sits a little bit higher, a little bit lower, depending on the weather.

For But my shoulders don't sit like this.

Now I've got my blades fully retracted.

Now I'm relaxed.

This is shrugged.

Relaxed.

Retracted.

Okay.

That's all that we're meaning.

Is that the blades sit nice and natural right here.

So that they can move.

So they can glide.

So they can move down in whatever.

I don't want you shrugging.

That's disconnecting.

That's adding manual.

You never swing.

Old, for those of you old school rotariers, you swing from the box, you don't swing from the rectangle.

all right, this is the rectangle, this is the box, all right.

So your shoulders are relaxed, not overly depressed, they're relaxed.

The lead arm is shoulders protracted.

Because now, once this is up and protracted a little bit, It's in a position where now the ribcage turn makes it a unit.

So now rounding back out to the sprinkler, that's making it like a sprinkler.

I don't have to move my arm and hand because this is what's doing this.

And now my shoulders are still going to kind of be floating, relaxed.

But they're pulling right now.

They're starting to move down and in.

But until I start to get back.

And start to really do this, that's going to be where I really see.

That kind of big drop in my scapula is as I start to transition.

That's going to be what puts that into position against my spine.

It's not because I'm manually trying to lock it into position, it's what I still call it to this day.

Shoulder blade wrenching players try to get it there as fast, you know, Chuck said.

Two inch shoulder blade glide.

And people are like, I can't get to the top of my back swing.

Yes, that's because that's the entire motion, not in a nanosecond.

So hopefully, if you think about it, and this is an exaggeration, all right?

I can get away with this because I'm overweight, so it's kind of easy to see.

I take my arm right here, and I get it up here, and I rest it on my chest, all right?

This is too high to everything, all right?

But you can see, my rib cage is underneath my tricep right now.

But if I.

super exaggerate it like this.

I'm super exaggerating.

My arm's chilled right now.

My rib cage is underneath right here.

If I just move my rib cage, you can see how I don't have to do anything with my arm.

I just don't need it that exaggerated.

That's really what that's meaning.

You had a third one.

I thought I saw a third one.

Explain what the trail shoulder blade movement is doing during the takeaway and the downswing.

Well, it's sliding back and around.

So the trail shoulder blade is going back down and around.

Now I can't see myself.

The trail shoulder blade is going back down and around.

So as I'm right here and I'm rotating my rib cage, my shoulder blade is starting to move.

In towards my spine.

So this what's happening is my blades going back and in towards my spine and then when I transition and I'm getting here, that's where it's really kind of Slamming into position for that connection.

I don't want to be up here at the top and Already wrenched into it because then I can't make a backswing.

That was one of my big things when people They took the shoulder blade glide too literally.

Still happens.

But if you depress this immediately, my arm can't go up.

All right.

So it would work if I only wanted to swim to here.

But if I want to have some elevation, now my shoulder blade is going to really drop into position as I'm coming down.

You know, the daily couples reference is the easiest.

I mean, they're way over here like this, but they're waiting for that connection in their transition for that to get down.

Hopefully that makes sense.

I think that's your only question, right?

Okay.

So, Jeff, I hope that helped.

And that's all that I had on that tape.

So what we will do is we will go to the crowd.

We'll bring you on up.

Come on down and the price is right.

So if you have any questions, hopefully you've learned something so far.

If you want to stick around for a live Q &A, I'm right here.

Put your question in and I will answer it.

I'm Ron Burgundy.

If you type it, I will say it and talk about it.

Michael, how high should the hands be at the top of the backswing?

How high do you want them?

I mean, are you trying to like match goatee perfect or?

Remember, elevation is still a little bit variable, but you don't want added lift in the swing.

There's no need for it.

So when you're thinking about relative hand height, there's going to be some genetic things in because if I'm right here, you're going to see how my hands are above my head.

And somebody with T -Rex arms, they can't get their hands up there.

So the relative height is kind of based on your genetics of not lifting.

It kind of makes sense.

Trying to think of like, does that relay the message?

If you think about it, as I'm coiling and getting to here, that's where my hands should be.

All right.

I haven't had to add any extra lift.

I haven't depressed by anything.

And that's why I still think like, you know, if you think of like our old, you know, right arm position right here, where you elevate and add your flexion right here.

I mean, it's still roughly around chest height right here with your elbow.

And if your elbow.

It's at the base of your chest or pectorals right here.

That's where you want your hands.

You can get them higher, though.

You can.

It's just, remember, there's a balance to everything.

The higher you get, the more you got to wait.

Charles, since being hack, I've lost all my rotary swing programs.

I've sent several emails and made a call to a number.

Sorry, at the end of the session, please provide me a contact email address, telephone number to contact.

I'm sure Christina or Kristen have probably responded if you sent something in.

Because I looked at customer service today and there was only like three emails left.

And that was from today.

C.

S.

Craig.

C as in Craig.

S as in Slappy or Samsonite.

At RotarySwing.

com.

The telephone number, I'm telling you, email is going to be the fastest.

So I'm not sure what's going on, Charles.

I want to definitely get you back on track.

CS at RotarySwing.

com.

That's going to be your best bet.

All right.

And in fact, give me a second.

I don't see anything, Charles.

Just as a side note, I'm looking at our ticket counter.

So CS at RotarySwing.

com.

All right, back to the golf.

Charles, Craig, what happens at impact and after with supination, i.

e.

goat how to whip the club?

What happens after impact?

Now, I've seen your golf swing.

You know what happens after impact.

What do you think happens after impact?

I supinate, I deviate, and as I get here and rotate, what happens?

This snaps.

So as I move through here, this is going supination, deviation, rotation, and now my lead arm and hand, that's why if you think about the smiley.

Face or the nails, or anything like that, with the lead arm and hand, this is the motion it releases.

So if you think about it, you're literally kind of losing everything you did to that point.

So if I'm right here, I'm losing everything I did to that point.

So once I get to impact supination, deviation, rotation, now, once I get to here, it's like a car wreck.

This snaps The lead, knuckles and all that rotate to here.

The club releases.

This snaps.

I don't know if there's something specific you're looking for, but if you think about it, it's getting to here, rotating.

It doesn't just get to here and then just stay like this.

You let the club snap.

So you're literally undoing everything you did to that point.

Because that's where you get the speed.

That's where you get the snappy.

Let's see.

John, why does Goatee always tell me Chuck's various videos are not relative to your swing?

In his last one, he mentioned a move by the lead knee towards the target.

I'd have to know what your swing looks like, John.

Why does Goatee always tell me Chuck's various videos are not relevant to your swing?

Maybe you're doing it all right.

You don't need it.

In his last one, he mentioned a move by the lead knee towards the target.

Yeah, I mean, that's.

The two most recent videos with Godey Ghost, what Godey's seeing is the vast majority of players aren't getting this enough over here.

That's what Godey's seeing, is that this knee's.

Now they're staying back, going like this.

And this hip's not getting, this lead glute's not getting enough of the pressure.

This hip's not staying down enough.

And I will tell you, for anybody, that is one of my biggest pet peeves.

That's been my biggest pet peeve, I think, since like 2008 with Rotary.

Is that from here, if I see somebody go to the top of the back swing and their first move is this hip starts going up like this, I'm going to kick you.

The vast majority of players don't stay down enough until it's time to snap.

So probably that's what it is, the fact that when you get up here towards the top, you're not getting enough this.

You're not getting enough over here and down and getting this knee stacked.

Most everybody underdoes that.

I even have an old, old, old video of mine where the swing's terrible, but I'm working on the same motion.

And to me, I remember the video where I literally felt like I was like this.

And then on video, it was just.

But because it was so drastically different than anything I'd ever done.

Can you address how to hit off different whys?

David, there's.

I did a whole webinar on that a couple back.

This can get really dicey.

We have a whole section on side hill lies, uphill lies, downhill lies.

There's not really that much variation except what you've got to worry about with your spine and fighting gravity, depending on if it's uphill or downhill.

You're really just fighting gravity on that.

Is that what you're meaning, like side hill, uphill, downhill, all that?

Are you meaning like wet or dry turf?

Because that really doesn't really change.

I mean, if your low point and bottoming out is consistent, that really shouldn't matter.

Anthony, when is Rotary Swing getting sponsored by Mountain Dew live Pilova shoes?

Anthony, I'm just waiting on a sponsor, period.

Are you back?

Anybody?

Bueller?

I have no idea what happened right there.

Somebody said there was a slash through a thing down there, and I saw the same thing.

Hold on a sec.

What happened was that?

All right, so we're all good now?

Last you heard was about the shoes.

Shoes.

Okay, so did anybody hear?

Ronald's question was that you pushed from the trail side.

Did anybody hear that?

We missed the last two or three segments.

Mike with the slash is gone.

Okay.

All right, so.

I just want to make sure because I want to get back to.

Man, I actually gave a really good answer on that.

So, Goaty showed me graph today in regards to timing of the backswing.

We hear that one?

Man, that was the best answer I've given in a webinar.

Trail shoulder going back is their effort to make it move down.

That was where we got lost.

Okay, so I'll get those three in before I – I've got to get out of here tonight.

I'll get those threes.

And, David, I'll get you – I'll make sure you know what you're doing after that one.

Okay, so – sorry.

If it happens again – I have no idea what happened right there.

I've got to blame Demio on that one.

Ira, per answer about trail shoulder going back, is there an effort on the downswing to make it happen?

No, it is a byproduct.

It's a great question.

I gave a great answer.

The trail shoulder moving down and in of that, you don't need to manually force that to happen.

If you're manually forcing that to happen, we got problems.

Because you're not trying to make that happen.

It needs to be a function of how you're sequencing.

So the example that I gave, like I said, I've been doing this for a decade with players and in-person lessons.

If I'm loading over here and I'm getting into position, and I start sequencing this way, but don't let your upper half go anywhere.

So if I extend out my arms right here and I start going, but I'm not letting my upper half go anywhere, You're immediately going to feel how it wants to start to go down and in and start to get in a position.

Like it would be if you're just supinating your arm like this and externally rotating.

It's a byproduct of sequencing.

I don't want you up here at the top saying, okay, drop my blade down and in.

That's not how it works.

It's a function of the fact that as I load and get to here, this is what's happening.

It's because I'm going this direction, so I'm going that way.

But because I'm not spinning and pushing, that's what's sequencing my blade into position.

So it was a great question.

I gave a way better answer prior.

So my apologies.

Okay.

Just making sure y'all can still hear me.

And thank you, Chris.

Horton, I would not have known that because I don't know how anything got muted.

I'd just been up here looking like a mime.

Vincent, Goaty showed me a graph today.

Regards to my timing.

My back swing was very long compared to the goat model.

Could you talk about speed in the back swing?

Okay.

Give a really good answer to this one.

Typical tour pros, three to one tempo ratio, right?

Rory's like two, four, seven, two, seven to one.

Like he's.

If you're getting long in the backswing and you're not matching the GOAT model, you're swinging your arms.

You're lifting your arms.

You're doing something with your arms independently.

Period.

Flat out.

No debate.

Twice on Sunday.

Okay?

So let's think about this.

If I'm right here and I go through proper coiling in the backswing, all right, that's all I got.

All right?

I've got my lateral.

I've got my coil.

I can't move any more than this.

I'm I'm ready to start going back the other direction because I'm stretched and loaded now.

If I take my arms now, I just make my body motion, I'm going.

You can see kind of how fast and dynamic I can make that.

Now.

If I'm not swinging my arms, I'm already, I'm already ready to go the other direction.

Okay, so I'm, you see, I'm already ready because my body is stretching.

It doesn't.

It can't go this way anymore, I physically can't go that way anymore.

Okay?

And if you see me kind of come back up, it's because I'm making sure that we're still fly.

I can't go that way anymore.

So if Goaty's telling you that the timing of your backswing's off and it's taking too long to get back to the lead side or get back to your downswing, it's because you're swinging your arms.

That's literally it.

It's because at some point in time, your arms are starting to lift, maneuver the club.

I don't have to use my arms at all.

You see my arms moving?

You see them moving in space, but do you see me doing anything with them?

I'm literally dynamic load.

Yeah.

I can't go anywhere from here except going back the other way.

And that's why the timing of what you're doing is off.

So if your back swing was very long, you're using your arms.

So what you need to do is you need to focus on how to move your body.

And you can literally just do what I'm doing right here and you'll start to feel, well, if I do this, like my arms don't end up up here.

I mean, that feels really weird.

You'll start to feel independent arm lift if you do that.

This part I actually just came up with.

If I don't do anything with my arms, they don't go anywhere.

Now I feel loaded and it's time for me to go the other direction.

Wait a minute.

Okay.

Still got me?

Uh, Charles, Uh, we'll send another email, try again, miss the programs and sorry for your you know issues, you know, and and we will get you back.

I just haven't seen anything from you, my friend.

Apologies on that.

Uh, Ron Goat drill seems like you pushed from the trail side.

is that right?

I think it's kind of, I think it's a misinterpretation.

now I gave you a nice, long-winded answer, but it's a misinterpretation.

You never want to use push to get yourself to move lateral.

And that's part of the reason, you know, with Godey and what he does.

That's what we saw people messing up with the drill.

That wasn't the intention of the drill.

Because as I start to coil and get up here and I shift my weight, you can see kind of how dead my right side is right now.

I'm not using my right side to push myself laterally this way.

Even with my foot popping up or anything like that, as I'm getting here, I'm not using push to move myself laterally in that transition.

So in the goat drawer, when I'm getting here and I'm feeling that, I don't want to wait all the way to here and then say, okay, well, now I've got to go laterally.

Now I've got to go rotationally.

Now I've got to go vertically.

And I'm going to do all that by pushing with my trail foot by the time I get there.

The lead glutes are already caught.

I've already had that lateral motion.

It's just the way that you interpret it.

And that's why we keep coming out with drills and things of that nature, because how people take information is so, so, so important.

But no, you don't want to get up here to the top and then be required to push yourself laterally with your trail side.

If you're doing that, you're going to be in a world of hurt with a golf course.

But also, that means that you're doing something wrong going back, going back to the springy leg.

By the time I get to here, I literally can't push off my trail leg to move myself laterally because by the time I get here, I'm already going back this way.

My pressure is already increasing.

I've got nothing to push with.

Okay.

Still good?

Somewhat?

You're welcome.

Okay, so Ron said thank you, so it must be still okay with it.

Now, David, I might be able to find the webinar, but I did a whole webinar on, you know, the shot thing, and I don't want to get you a little bit discombobulated on downhill, downhill, side hill wise.

I mean, downhill, it's still the same thing.

Like, I don't want you like this, but.

Typically in a downhill, you're still going to be fighting gravity pulling you down this way.

So you don't want to be like this where like I have no pressure back on this foot, but still in downhill lies, moving the ball back just a little bit, trying to get the slope matching your shoulders.

You don't want to be excessive and really start changing your tilt where you kind of get in like a reverse K like this.

So if you're on a downhill lie like this, weight staying a little bit more forward, but not crazily forward, all right, because the gravity is going to get you on that one.

Slope matching a little bit, ball a little bit back, and just knowing that as you start to move laterally, you're trying not to lose your balance and let it pull you down the mountain, that you're staying here so you've got enough time to pivot around so you don't squirt it off to the right too much.

But we have a whole section on all that, and unfortunately, I do have to be on time tonight.

Stupid Mike kind of got me, so I apologize, guys.

Let me do this real fast.

That's a swimmer.

Let's see.

I'm coming back, guys.

I'm still here.

Might be able to just give you the category Yeah, If you, Hey David, if you just go to this video that I'm posting right here, You will see there's a whole category of all the ball flight stuff.

That way, You can get all those things answered for you because I don't want to leave you here in the dark with it.

Because there's a lot to that.

It's more than just what I just said.

But if you just go to the search box, too, and you just type in side, you'll get there.

Don't worry, man.

Thank you, Charles.

I appreciate that.

Jonathan, I'm going to get to you.

And then, unfortunately, I do have to be out of here tonight on time.

Sorry, I'm late.

I'm sure you talked about it already, But the lead hip loading in the backswing feel as if my groin is stretching away from my lead leg until it hits max and let the lead knee start to move back.

Essentially, yeah, but don't think about it as like I'm trying to stay here, okay?

As I'm going this way and I'm getting this stretch, What I've seen with people that say your words right there is.

They do this because they're kind of conflating the pressure and the weight feel with stretch feel.

Okay.

And that's not really what happens.

So yes, I'm coiling around this lead hip.

I still have the lateral motion right here and I can, I'm really starting to create a stretch right here, which is keeping this lead leg engaged so that once I'm here, my pressure starts to go this way.

My lead knee can externally rotate and the adductors can snap back this way.

And I did talk a little bit about this earlier.

So hopefully that does help you out with that.

Because you want those adductors and all that to be involved.

You don't want to get here.

Just rereading your question.

You don't want to get here and just let this collapse in.

There's no tension there.

There's no nothing.

I'm going to get up here to the top.

I'm going to blow out my knee.

So as I'm doing this, it is because I'm getting lateral.

And as I'm making this coil, this springy feeling, it keeps a little bit of pressure and weight in this side.

But I am feeling a stretch right here so that I can really pull.

and squeeze these adductors as I'm coming down.

So you've got to have some engagement right there.

All right.

Anthony, thank you.

See, Anthony, you broke it.

I just saw your text come through about no audio.

I blame Anthony for the audio.

He asked the question about Mountain Dew and the pullovers and being sponsored, and it went away.

All right.

So, unfortunately, ladies and gentlemen, I do have to be on time tonight.

So thank you again for stopping by.

As always, I don't think you understand how much I appreciate you all giving me an opportunity to help you out with this whole golf thing.

And, you know, the whole shebang.

So if you have any questions, please get them into the community.

I'll be happy to answer them in the next session.

And you've got me, you've got Anthony, you've got Goaty, you've got the community, you've got millions and millions and millions of resources.

We want you guys to be the ultimate golfer because you can be.

You've got the same set of bones and muscles and stuff that I do.

You're probably in better shape than I am.

So we want you to succeed.

Don't be bashful in asking for help.

All right.

We all needed it at some point.

So please reach out to us if you need anything.

I thank you again for coming out tonight.

I will get the replay posted as soon as I can.

But I do have some things, unfortunately, I have to do tonight.

And I wish you all the best this month working on your swing.

And for those of you working with Goaty, you know, you and Ghost having a good time trying to get nailed down.

And I will see you all in the trenches.

And hopefully I'll see you in another webinar.

And we'll keep moving forward from there.

So great to see everybody as usual.

David, thank you.

I appreciate that.

Bob, very much appreciate it.

Chris, thank you, thank you.

Thank you, Greg.